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Told ye's. :(

I'm sick of the Khan hype. The kid's got talent, no doubt about that but Warren is up to his usual tricks with his match making and he'll be 40-0 before he gets in with anybody world class. The sad thing is he is hyped beyond belief and he's not even our best prospect in and around the weight. Kevin Mitchell would have him out inside 6 if they fought now but Warren's been completely shameful in recognising Khan as the bigger draw with more appeal to the boxing casuals and has put Mitchell's career on the back burner as a result. Mitchell's people should do their best to get him as far away from Warren as possible, otherwise he's likely to waste his talent fighting bums and be totally unprepared and undeveloped when it matters.

Pretty much what I was going to type. Typical of this fucking nation that only the olympics could cause a sport to become recognise, and even then in an extremely limited view from the eyes of the money-grabbing selfish cunt Frank Warren. Totally sick of it, reflected in the commentary. Shame Limond didn't win, was hoping he'd clatter him, knowing he was a decent fighter. Reckon if they'd gone the distance Khan would've been knackered, he was starting to slow even in the 8th. Ah well.

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Khan was just a bit nervous and shakey and he didn't perform well because of it.- aka Hes still learning at pro level + it was a big fight for him .

The way Khan came back from being nearly over is a great sign that he is very mentally strong.

Just wait until Khan wins a bigger fight in the future and his confidence grows , then he will shake of the nerves he got early in his pro career and be on fire!!!

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Just wait until Khan wins a bigger fight in the future and his confidence grows , then he will shake of the nerves he got early in his pro career and be on fire!!!

He won't be put in with anybody worth a damn at world level for a long, long time.

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Interesting fight, I was dissapointed that Limond was retired purely because I felt another couple of rounds and he'd have dumped Khan on his arse good and proper.

That Frank Warren is involved is very worrying, I have to agree that anyone (and I'm not knocking Willie as Mr Warren and co must have been shitting themselves) half decent will put Khan on his arse. As it's been said, Khan is all hand speed and straight punches, with the odd big one thrown in to try and stop it going beyond six. He's got a long way to go before he's anywhere near world class.

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He's got a long way to go before he's anywhere near world class.

With Warren managing him he'll be safely kept away from that class, WBO champion for years no doubt and Warren complaing that people don't understand the business of boxing When he fights nobodies for the rest of his career whilst always just not quite having "the career defining fight".

Has Warren prattled on he's trying to get skelton a world title clash yet? Every time one of his dreadful heavyweights fights it's "next fight, world title challenge". If Frank still can't get any of his boys a title fight withe the division in it's worst state ever you have to wonder don't you...

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And after that he'll be fighting bums for years and we'll have to put up with him whining about not getting any recognition.

Well he called out Thaxton and then decided he wanted no part of him at all so he's already mimicing Calzaghe.

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Deal struck for Hatton-Mayweather

Ricky Hatton's father Ray has confirmed a deal has been struck "in principle" for son to face Floyd Mayweather later this year.

Ray Hatton said a verbal contract had been struck between lawyers for both parties with, crucially, an agreement reached over the financial side.

But he is remaining cautious until contracts have actually been exchanged.

Hatton said: "We have agreed a deal in principle but the date and venue is up in the air."

No date or venue has been agreed for the superfight, but it could happen on 10 November or 8 December in Las Vegas.

"I can't honestly tell you a deal has been done until I see the signatures on all the documents," he said.

"But what I can say is that both sides were happy with what we finalised verbally."

Ricky Hatton admitted he was eager to take on five-weight champion Mayweather after demolishing Jose Luis Castillo in his outing for the IBO light-welterweight title on 24 June.

Both fighters are unbeaten, although Mayweather had previously insisted his own victory Oscar de la Hoya last month would be his final bout.

The American's representatives flew Ray Hatton and the family's lawyer Gareth Williams out to Las Vegas to watch last week's fight between Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright.

It is a great fight for Ricky. How many times do you get to fight the best fighter in the world?

Ray said negotiations were "cordial", but that the pair had flown back to England with both camps "far apart" on the financial aspects of the fight.

However, a deal has been reached over the telephone in recent days.

"It is a great fight for Ricky. How many times do you get to fight the best fighter in the world? I see it as a win-win situation because Ricky cannot fail to impress," Hatton added.

"Floyd is coming off a great win over De La Hoya and Ricky over Castillo. Between them they are unbeaten in 81 fights. There is nowhere else it could happen. It would be an unbelievable fight."

Neither fighter will go into the ring bearing a recognised title belt.

Mayweather handed back the WBC light-middleweight belt he won over De La Hoya because he had no intention of remaining at that weight.

But both Mayweather and Hatton possess the Ring Magazine's belts at 147lbs and 140lbs, respectively. It is likely Hatton would agree to move up to meet Mayweather at the higher weight.

Mayweather's adviser Leonard Ellerbe said Hatton deserved praise for taking the fight.

He told USA Today: "I never thought he would do it, but Ricky Hatton deserves credit for stepping up to the plate.

"He asked for it and now he's going to get it. Floyd is extremely excited. He wants to show Hatton that he's never fought at this level before.

He's going to show him what it's like to step in the ring with the best fighter."

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If Hatton moves up to 147 for this fight it's over before it has started. If he can get him down to 140 then I think he's got a good chance but he didn't look right at 147 and I can see Mayweather picking him off and possibly embarrassing him unless the fight goes ahead at light-welter.

This is probably the biggest fight that could be made at any weight in the sport today, though. I really hope it comes off.

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If Hatton moves up to 147 for this fight it's over before it has started. If he can get him down to 140 then I think he's got a good chance but he didn't look right at 147 and I can see Mayweather picking him off and possibly embarrassing him unless the fight goes ahead at light-welter.

This is probably the biggest fight that could be made at any weight in the sport today, though. I really hope it comes off.

Mayweather isn't a naturally big man either - His walk around weight is around the same as Hatton. Hatton just needs to train naturally and normally, not worry about packing on extra muscle and he'll be fine whether it's at 140 or 147. Mayweather obviously starts as favourite, but as long as Hatton is sensible and doesn't make a hash of his preparations like against Collazo, the weight the fight takes place at won't be a big issue.

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Mayweather isn't a naturally big man either - His walk around weight is around the same as Hatton. Hatton just needs to train naturally and normally, not worry about packing on extra muscle and he'll be fine whether it's at 140 or 147. Mayweather obviously starts as favourite, but as long as Hatton is sensible and doesn't make a hash of his preparations like against Collazo, the weight the fight takes place at won't be a big issue.

I'm not going off who's the bigger man. My point is; Mayweather's speed has carried as he's moved up in weight, whereas Hatton's best attribute, his engine, seemed to be left at 140 when he moved up last time. Mayweather also looked considerably stronger at Welterweight than he ever has before or since. Hatton probably has the style to trouble Mayweather but to take advantage of that he'll need to work for every second of every round. I'm not convinced he'll be able to do that at 147. I can see Mayweather starting slow and taking over from the fourth, then just shutting him down.

Billy Graham has always said that Hatton isn't right at 147. He said it before the Collazo fight and he's said it since. They should have agreed a catch weight or something, it would have been a possibility as there are no belts on the line (official ones, anyway).

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I think Hatton is probably the only fighter in and around the weight that has the ability to apply the educated pressure that would be required to beat Mayweather. I just really hope that Graham gets him right at the weight.

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I'm not going off who's the bigger man. My point is; Mayweather's speed has carried as he's moved up in weight, whereas Hatton's best attribute, his engine, seemed to be left at 140 when he moved up last time. Mayweather also looked considerably stronger at Welterweight than he ever has before or since. Hatton probably has the style to trouble Mayweather but to take advantage of that he'll need to work for every second of every round. I'm not convinced he'll be able to do that at 147. I can see Mayweather starting slow and taking over from the fourth, then just shutting him down.

Billy Graham has always said that Hatton isn't right at 147. He said it before the Collazo fight and he's said it since. They should have agreed a catch weight or something, it would have been a possibility as there are no belts on the line (official ones, anyway).

Hatton dosent have to come in at 147. He can weigh between 140 and 147 as he chooses. When he fought Collazo he went up in weight very quickly (5-6 weeks i believe) It's a mistake he won't make this time as his father has already said a while back that he would probably come in a t 144 for any future fight at welter and will put the added weight on correctly.

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Hatton dosent have to come in at 147. He can weigh between 140 and 147 as he chooses. When he fought Collazo he went up in weight very quickly (5-6 weeks i believe) It's a mistake he won't make this time as his father has already said a while back that he would probably come in a t 144 for any future fight at welter and will put the added weight on correctly.

That's the thing, though. He'll already be giving Mayweather an advantage before a punch is even thrown. Mayweather will be comfortable at the weight. If Hatton is giving away a few pounds at the weigh in his body will have a harder time throughout the fight. He's going to need every advantage he can get because aside from his obvious talents, Mayweather is a true athlete. He never seems to tire and Hattons best chance is to apply educated pressure and try and pull him into a war. He can't afford to give away a pound, never mind three.

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This is a true mega-fight. You have to applaud Hatton's determination to see the fight made. He could have settled for the easier option of unifying at Light-welter but he's shown he's got balls and wants to prove he's the best by beating the best. These guys are my two favourite fighters and for that reason alone my only hope for the fight is a lack of controversy. Although with that said, when push comes to shove I know I'll be supporting Ricky.

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This has whetted my appetite more than the Hatton - Castillo fight and I went there in person!

This going to be like an all out rampaging war! Do not underestimate Hatton's powerful punch. If he can't knock you out, he can wind you and break a couple of ribs.

I really do want to see Hatton shut this fucker up!

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I've been playing it out in my head a bit and I'm struggling to see how it will go. Hatton has to stamp his authority on the fight early and I could see him doing it as Mayweather usually starts slow. The problem will be how Hatton copes once Flloyd gets in his stride and starts pot-shotting from the centre of the ring with comfort. He has to back him up and I'm hoping the referee isn't as harsh with Hatton as the last one was because it'll fuck with his chances.

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I've been playing it out in my head a bit and I'm struggling to see how it will go. Hatton has to stamp his authority on the fight early and I could see him doing it as Mayweather usually starts slow. The problem will be how Hatton copes once Flloyd gets in his stride and starts pot-shotting from the centre of the ring with comfort. He has to back him up and I'm hoping the referee isn't as harsh with Hatton as the last one was because it'll fuck with his chances.

I'll give you a hint, he won't be pot shotting from the centre of the ring. Hatton is on you from the off and its bloody hard to get away from a relentless pressure fighter and mayweather does not deal too well with pressure, he likes to be in charge and dictate a fight. This cannot and will not happen against hatton. Hatton will make sure he gets into the trenches with mayweather and as we saw against kosta hattons a tough bastard and can fight at a hell of a pace. Mayweather will have to be on peak form and bloody quick on his feet to avoid being cut off and mayweather has been hurt in the past by body punches. Its really the fight that can make hatton into the super fighter we all (in the uk) beleive he is.

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I know it's a big challenge for Hatton and Mayweather's the best there is, but I honestly believe that people don't give Hatton credit for the power of his punches. I think people see Tsuyu or Castillo throwing in the towel and instead of concluding that Hatton is powerful and relentless they conclude that his opponents are old or weak. That's why I think in spite of everything he'll beat Mayweather: I think he'll put pressure on him, and he'll wear him down. Hatton's never fought someone like Mayweather. But Mayweather's never fought someone like Hatton. In any case, Hatton is courageous and decent, and even if he loses he'll be the best pound-for-pound fighter on that score.

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I'll give you a hint, he won't be pot shotting from the centre of the ring. Hatton is on you from the off and its bloody hard to get away from a relentless pressure fighter and mayweather does not deal too well with pressure, he likes to be in charge and dictate a fight. This cannot and will not happen against hatton. Hatton will make sure he gets into the trenches with mayweather and as we saw against kosta hattons a tough bastard and can fight at a hell of a pace. Mayweather will have to be on peak form and bloody quick on his feet to avoid being cut off and mayweather has been hurt in the past by body punches. Its really the fight that can make hatton into the super fighter we all (in the uk) beleive he is.

That was why I made a reference to the referee. He'll have a big part to play because if he doesn't stand for Hatton's obsession for contact then Mayweather can and will dictate the tempo of the fight from the centre of the ring. Hatton is a tough bastard that can fight at a hell of a pace, I've already made reference to that too. But he wasn't capable of sustaining any kind of pace against Collazo in his only other outing at this weight. Obviously he could come in fine at the weight but it is still a nagging concern. I'm not sure what you're referring to when you mention Mayweather being hurt by body shots in the past, do you mean when he fought Castillo? Whatever it is you're talking about there I'm afraid I can't agree. He's never been visibly hurt or shaken. He was caught off balance a couple of times but recovered straight away. I do wonder how much of Mayweather you've seen because if there is one thing he deals well with it is pressure.

I've said it a few times in this thread already and the way Hatton can beat him is with 'educated pressure'. When people pressure Mayweather one of two things happen; he either keeps them honest with slick counter punching or he moves to the ropes and puts up his defences. Hatton is clever enough to hold when he's not hitting in the centre of the ring and he's strong enough to pressure Mayweather on the ropes without throwing too many punches. I really do hope he comes in right at the weight because he'll need his engine in this one and despite what some have said in this thread, Hatton isn't a particularly hard puncher (bar to the body). His power isn't concussive but what he does do is wear his opponents down with relentless pressure and cute angles. He is the best body puncher in the business, though, which is something he has to showcase in this fight to slow Mayweather down.

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