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dogsout

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Just finished watching it again and it wasn't as close I had thought the first time around. Rounds 9 and 10 were a boxing clinic on Floyd's part. The two things I'm left thinking are:

1. Had Oscar kept using the jab and avoided slowing down around the 8th he may have got a result.

2. Had Mayweather consistently thrown in bunches it probably wouldn't have been close at all.

As you pointed out, Oscar is a classy guy and it'll be a sad day for the sport if this is his last fight. Actually, the same goes for Floyd but only in regard to his performances in the ring. He is without a doubt the biggest talent the sport has produced since the 80's, maybe longer. Oscar is a guaranteed 'Hall of Famer' and is probably the best fighter produced in the 90's I'd like to see him go out on a win, so one more please Oscar! Floyd didn't dominate him in the way some thought he might, but he always looked like having another gear to step into. This was his most competitive fight to date and as he said to old Larry Merchant; he has nothing else to prove. If he hangs them up now, he'll go down as one of the best ever, at any weight.

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I disagree with that Floyd has an awful lot to prove. He's good yes but the greatest? nope not even close. This is what gets with certain boxers, someone comes along with talent and get a title and some money and then spend the rest of their career dodging other good fighters like the plague. Someone like Barrera and morales these guys are greats because they fight the best over and over again, they fight for pride and love of the sport and not so much the money. Floyd is just like Roy Jones, dodge the tough fights and pick the people whos careers are on the way down to make their record look good. then there are fighters who people dodge like the plague (calzaghe for example) simply because they know they will lose to them, whats the point in being a boxer if your not out to prove you are the best by fighting the best?. American boxing fans rant saying that if you want to be the best then you have to go to America, well that's stupid someone like Calzaghe can sell out 20,000+ seat arenas in the UK and still beat shit out of the Americans. Boxing is dying simply because big money wants to protect its assets and its quite sad really.

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You make a strange argument. For one, Floyd isn't known as a duck artist while Calzaghe is. And rightly so. Floyd has big names and big wins on his record. Calzaghe has about two, four at a push. I'm actually amazed you're using a Warren fighter as an example of somebody that doesn't duck, especially Calzaghe. I like the guy but he has been the biggest duck artist going for the last 10 years. Floyd is nothing like Roy Jones. He has fought the best at each weight he's been at, bar one - light welter, which was just used as a stepping stone to welter. So who is it you think he's ducked?

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For me, Mayweather should've fought Mosley and/or Cotto before retiring. At the higher weight is Spinks, while going back down brings Hatton into the frame. He never met Tszyu either; or Quartey. What about the Margarito/Williams winner? No chance, he's made.

Mosley is up at light middle and I think Mayweather pretty much just came up for Oscar. The money he'd get for fighting Mosley at that weight wouldn't be enough to tempt him, I think. Mosley's a shell of his former self now anyway and his name's been on the decline for years, along with his ability. Cotto only recently came up from light welter, a weight Mayweather basically used as a stepping stone to bigger fights. He didn't fight Tszyu because Hatton had already dealt with him by the time he got to light welter and said he'd only fight Ricky in America. Which was some time before Hatton left Warren anyway. As for Quartey, he wasn't anywhere close to Mayweather's weight when they were both active.

For the record, I'd love to see him in with a Hatton, Cotto or Margarito. I'm not sure we'll see it, though. If he fights again, he'll only fight in super fights. I'm not sure there's anybody left with a big enough name to change his mind. Maybe an Oscar rematch, if Oscar really pushes for it. Which wouldn't surprise me as Oscar is fiercely proud and Floyd loves his money.

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I have seen the fight and not seen either of them before.

I Think Oscar De La Hoya is a better fighter as he was trying to make a fight, while Mayweather just keep moving round defending very well and throw a odd punch or two.

Oscar should have won the fight on points. Oh his missus look lovely on TV.

I am not familar with big names American boxers outside Heavyweight.

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I really enjoyed the fight and thought De La Hoya did very well. But I was keeping a scorecard myself and I had it the same as the last judge 115-113 to Mayweather simply because his punches were more accurate. I went for that over De La Hoya's aggression.

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I scored it the same. De La Hoya was busy no doubt and he did push the fight but Mayweather out landed him and out classed him in parts, rounds 9 and 10 in particular. Punch stats aren't everything but he landed 85 more punches than Oscar and upon viewing the fight a second time I felt he may have deserved to win by a higher margin than I had first thought.

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Only the sort of money a name like De La Hoya conjures will tempt him to fight on, I would have thought.

Also, his uncle is full of shit.

I really hope Hatton gives him a reason to make a come back when he takes on Castillo next month.

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Only the sort of money a name like De La Hoya conjures will tempt him to fight on, I would have thought.

Also, his uncle is full of shit.

Very true. Really annoying too. During the interview after the fight did you hear him shouting,

"I told you he would whoop his ass and he whooped his ass" ^_^

Would love a rematch though.

Mayweather - Hatton who would your money be on? I'd go for Mayweather.

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My money would be on Mayweather no matter who he fights from 154 down. I think Hatton would have a real chance at 140, especially if Hobson managed to get Floyd over here. I really can't see Floyd going back down to 140, though. 147 maybe, but I think that's too high up for Hatton to consider. He really is a natural light welter and looked poor at 147. It's a shame but our best chance of seeing this fight probably died when Hatton cut ties with Warren.

Speaking of Roger Mayweather, did you catch Mayweather Vs Judah? See what the wanker did? He really is a disgrace to the sport at times, a disgrace to the sport and his family. Most of the time that Floyd is coming out with shit and showing a lack of class, his uncle's standing by his shoulder hollering and whooping in his ear about how 'bad' they are. The part he has played in the sour relationship Floyd now shares with his father is also shameful.

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What a shame. His first fight with Castillo was one of the best fights I've ever seen. He was involved in at least three truly classic fights and I'm sure more would have followed. There was talk of him facing our Witter, possibly even over here, something I would have loved to see. He was one of the sports most exciting fighters, too. 29 is no age to go. :lol:

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Joe actually started as a light-heavy.

He made his debut at Super Middleweight and won all his titles there too. He has a handful of appearances to his name above 168lbs, although none of them were acknowledged as true Light Heavyweight fights due to them originally being made at the Super Middleweight limit.

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