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1 minute ago, Isaac said:

 

$500m of revenue, not profit. 

 

On average, most consumers buy roughly two games a year (PS4 attach rate is 9.4 games per owner). At £60 a pop tjhat's £120 per user per year, assuming they buy two AAA games at RRP.

 

Guess how much Game Pass Ultimate costs?

 

Assuming that your average user literally only subscribes to Game Pass that's still more lifetime value than their typical 2 game per year spend, financially.

 

I dunno. I'm still in the middle of my first 3 months trial and just by doing the daily point colelcts off the website I've already made close to 2 months of free GP. If I started sinking more time into playing games for points it'd fly up in no time. They are earning nothing for it from me for very little effort and I'm starting to think I won't ever need to pay for it. A lot of people were all for signing up for the 3 year deal but I didn't bother and looks like it won't be a problem.

 

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1 minute ago, Lorfarius said:

 

I dunno. I'm still in the middle of my first 3 months trial and just by doing the daily point colelcts off the website I've already made close to 2 months of free GP. If I started sinking more time into playing games for points it'd fly up in no time. They are earning nothing for it from me for very little effort and I'm starting to think I won't ever need to pay for it. A lot of people were all for signing up for the 3 year deal but I didn't bother and looks like it won't be a problem.

 

 

You are paying them in terms of boosting their Bing traffic, viewing their ads that they've sold, and allowing them to collect your data.

 

Either way you're paying them.

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12 minutes ago, Isaac said:

 

You are paying them in terms of boosting their Bing traffic, viewing their ads that they've sold, and allowing them to collect your data.

 

Either way you're paying them.

 

I think my Bing traffic is useless, I just sit there on both devices banging in random letters/numbers on both browsers that I don't use for anything but gathering points. I don't buy anything or lead through to ads, sites etc. I don't even do the questions properly, just click at random to get through as quickly as possible :lol:

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34 minutes ago, footle said:

- That you have an opportunity cost - you *could* be selling that $120m game for $70/£70 a head to ten million people, and making $500m a time.

 

Did I miss when MS stopped selling games then? I mean, I can still see stuff to buy on steam and on the MS Store. I can still buy stuff that's on GP. MS still sell games (and DLC) to folks both on and off of GP - and their data apaprently suggests that folks with GP buy more stuff overall.

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49 minutes ago, Isaac said:

 

You are paying them in terms of boosting their Bing traffic, viewing their ads that they've sold, and allowing them to collect your data.

 

Either way you're paying them.

More to the point, a lot of this stuff is loss leading, as they're in the user acquisition phase. They can probably afford to lose money just now for the long term.

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1 hour ago, Isaac said:

 

$500m of revenue, not profit. 

 

On average, most consumers buy roughly two games a year (PS4 attach rate is 9.4 games per owner). At £60 a pop that's £120 per user per year, assuming they buy two AAA games at RRP.

 

Guess how much Game Pass Ultimate costs?

 

Assuming that your average user literally only subscribes to Game Pass for the time that they have the console that's still more lifetime value than their typical 2 game per year spend, financially.

 

Game Pass is extremely profitable. Sony are stuck in a blockbuster mindset partly as I think that their senior business people still think of videogames how they do films, which is also incredibly dated (notice how there's no Sony Movie subscription service).

 

Their whole business is still built around a 20th century blockbuster model.


Where is the source for the assumption Game Pass is extremely profitable?

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2 hours ago, moosegrinder said:

Since before the new consoles were announced it was obvious Microsoft isn't playing the same game Sony are, it's no surprise he's still in the mindset of making expensive games to sell at a premium.

 

I don't see a monstrosity like Microsoft going hard and deep on the Game Pass model like they have without having done a stupid amount of number crunching and research beforehand, even if they are a very, very, very rich company.

 

Then you've got the evidence that people who have Game Pass actually spend more money, not less.

 

@gossi the dog yeah, fairly recently.

Yeah this and whatever they’re doing, their revenue has shot up massively - Game Pass is a Win Win for MS. 

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55 minutes ago, Giddas said:


Where is the source for the assumption Game Pass is extremely profitable?

 

There are no first party reports on this, but plenty of "people in the know" has something to say about it. 

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Gaming consoles have been making losses for decades, but has the Game Pass managed to change that for the Xbox? The answer really isn’t clear. The Game Pass Ultimate costs $14.99 and according to the company, it has around 18 million subscribers. That adds up to $270 million per month and $3.2 billion for a year. The Game Pass also has different tiers and deals that often sell it for much cheaper. And as more people buy Xbox Series X consoles and XCloud comes to more platforms like smart TVs, this number of subscribers is just going to grow. That is the growth that is important.

Analyst Daniel Ahmad told Eurogamer that Xbox is “very much in a user acquisition stage” now and added that “once people have that library, they're very unlikely to unsubscribe, and they're going to keep subscribing then for years to come”. So, once enough people are on it, the profits will start coming in. The main thing for Microsoft now is to wait and sustain the platform while it pulls in more subscribers.

 

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5 hours ago, Ry said:

Reminder that Omno and Lethal League are out today. Prob lost in the Flight Sim and Ascent hype. 

I love Lethal League. If you're looking for some multiplayer shenanigans, then give it a try at least. Goes quite deep, but also a low barrier to entry at the base level (hit the ball, ball go fast).

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7 hours ago, Wahwah* said:

Looks great! 

 

What kind of game is it? 

 

Looks like a cross between Journey, Mario and the guitar guy from the latest Mad Max. Hopefully not style over substance!

 

 

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7 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

Anyone got any thoughts on Omno, Last Stop, Raji or Bloodroots?

I played Raji a while ago, and had mixed feelings. The setting is pretty unique, and it was hugely refreshing to play a game based on Hindu mythology for a change. The platforming and puzzles were fine, but the combat generally felt quite floaty and lacking impact. The devs recently announced an enhanced edition due out later in the year, including improved combat and a Hindi voicetrack which might be worth waiting for.

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8 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

Anyone got any thoughts on Omno, Last Stop, Raji or Bloodroots?

 

I played the first few levels of Omno and it's VERY relaxing.  Slow, but nice.

 

I posted about Bloodroots on the completed games thread.  Fun, chaotic but intensely frustrating at times.  I didn't get on that well with it but I think it may appeal to others.

 

These 2 games are about as different from each other as it's possible to be!!

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23 hours ago, Rayn said:

 

There are no first party reports on this, but plenty of "people in the know" has something to say about it. 

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Worth remembering that it's not just their own games they're funding to get on Game Pass. All the games being added on a monthly basis, launching day and date on Game Pass etc are all getting deals from Microsoft for that, and even for the smaller titles the deals tend to be very good. I can't even imagine the sort of money that is changing hands with the bigger AAA titles. There's no doubt that MS are in this for the long run given the money they're throwing around to get subscribers but I doubt it's "extremely profitable" for them right now

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Was playing that Cluster Truck for a bit last night, didn't realise it was a moving running platformer. Controls were fine but having to jump over and over again in 3D like that isn't the best, made me feel a bit ill after a bit so got rid :lol:

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4 hours ago, HarryBizzle said:

Anyone got any thoughts on Omno, Last Stop, Raji or Bloodroots?

 

I bouced off Omno after 10 mins. The opening didn't look visually that interesting, navigating the level was very generic and there we're ruins with glowy bits, probably puzzles.  I just couldn't be arsed.

 

I'm still enjoying Last Stop on chapter two. It's more of an interactive story than anything, but it's a fun, well written story so far. Animation is a bit mediocre. Voice acting is good. The flat shaded London backdrops continue to impress. Might be my favourite representation of London in a while.

 

I like the non western mythology in Raji.  On the combat side, feels like it's throwing moves at me I just don't need at the moment.  It might pick up and click on that side.  I suspect I'll probably abandon it after a few more goes.

 

I'm too old and slow for Bloodroots.  Did enjoy a quick go on it though. 

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Anyone know if there’s a set time (and if so when) at which games that are leaving game pass actually disappear / stop being playable? 
 

I’m 59% of the way through the very enjoyable The Touryst which is down as leaving on the 31st (tomorrow) and I’ve got 2-3h free early in the evening that it’d be nice to use to finish it off. 

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