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14 minutes ago, Zael said:

I think its amazing that some millionaire can pay people to hold up a sign saying "Death to all Jews" and then not mean the apology afterwards and people on this forum will still try to defend him. 

I think it's amazing that with all the videos being right there and buizel's pretty concise explanation that you can come to the conclusion you have. It's pretty fucking stunning, actually.

 

Forget pewdiepie, the amazing thing about this story is people won't change their kneejerk reactions no matter how much evidence to the contrary.

 

I guess it's the world we live in. People don't have time for context anymore. Give them a headline. Don't bother with the copy.

 

I blame Facebook.

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1 hour ago, Zael said:

I think its amazing that some millionaire can pay people to hold up a sign saying "Death to all Jews" and then not mean the apology afterwards and people on this forum will still try to defend him. 

This is so subjective, can you stop stating it as a fact?

 

I think he did 'mean' it.  

 

How can you prove it either way?  

 

(FWIW I do think he's wrong to say things like this don't 'normalise' hate speech, but again that's a bit hard to prove either way)

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Do you not reckon maybe white supremacist ideas never actually went away? And there wasn't a golden age between WWII and 4Chan?

 

Isn't it good to know where the racists are? And if they're emboldened to come out by misunderstanding South Park or to a lesser extent something like this then that's good for society? Is it not exposing it, rather than normalizing it? Food for thought.

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10 hours ago, buizel said:

 

The apology seemed worded like that because it didnt really seem like he meant it 100%. You're right, he doesn't seem to think he did anything wrong - and you disagree with that. I agree with him, and don';t think he needed to apologise.

 

I was only commenting on the video posted a couple of pages back. I wasn't getting into the debate about whether or not the guy's a racist, or whether he needed to apologise in the first place. His jokes may have been fine in context.

 

But the apology video was awful, and so are some of the arguments around it. I don't see how the same types who like to complain about outrage culture, about people who can't take a joke, or who are too eager to play the victim, could rally behind a man who spends 11 minutes complaining that the wider world hasn't given him his dues, while setting himself up as some sort of martyr in the culture wars, in what is supposed to be an apology. Were you to read some of the comments in this thread in isolation, you'd assume it was Chris Morris in the dock, not pewdiepie.

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14 minutes ago, joe bazooka said:

Do you not reckon maybe white supremacist ideas never actually went away? And there wasn't a golden age between WWII and 4Chan?

 

Isn't it good to know where the racists are? And if they're emboldened to come out by misunderstanding South Park or to a lesser extent something like this then that's good for society? Is it not exposing it, rather than normalizing it? Food for thought.

With the likes of Donald Trump in power and Marine Le Pen gaining traction I'd say, actually it's pretty fucking bad right now.

 

We don't need Pewdiepie to expose racists (like that's what's happening) we need him to sincerely acknowledge his mistake and if he gives a shit, do sonething about it.

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This is such a shitshow. I'm struggling to defend pewdiepie, despite a part of me wanting to. I think the guy idolises close to the bone humour and fucked up big time basically, but the reporting of it is an absolute joke. The way the wall street journal literally went gunning for the guy and took all this stuff out of context and showed his employers is criminal as far as I am concerned.

 

Now you just have a situation where a hugely influential figure is being attacked by the liberal 'sjw' left, and all those impressionable kids that look up to him see him defended by the 'alt right' or whatever and it just all plays in to the whole political landscape we have, where the US President can brush anything aside as fake news with his tiny little baby hands.

 

So now this guy with perhaps more influence on young minds than anyone else on the planet is being demonised by the left and idolised by the right, and the mainstream media once again is hugely undermined. Not a good situation, and it doesn't actually help anything at all really. All it shows is that the responsibility the media and popular public figures have has been completely brushed aside for clicks and views.

 

What a world.

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36 minutes ago, joe bazooka said:

Do you not reckon maybe white supremacist ideas never actually went away? And there wasn't a golden age between WWII and 4Chan?

 

Isn't it good to know where the racists are? And if they're emboldened to come out by misunderstanding South Park or to a lesser extent something like this then that's good for society? Is it not exposing it, rather than normalizing it? Food for thought.

 

I mean if you go on to the random board on 4chan it's not just racism thats a problem there.

 

I never regularly went to 4chan, but I go on it maybe once a month to still whats happening.

 

Full of racism, sexism, rape-promoting, child porn, animal abuse, gore and gross-out things. As far back as I can remember it's always been a hubbub of misogny and immorality. Pretty much the most wretched hive of scum and villainy on the internet, people on there seeem sub-human.

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4 minutes ago, Harsin said:

It's okay, last night God Emperor Trump decreed that there's been no rise in antisemitism recently and the perception that there had been was just the result of false flag operations and the lying media. Hurray!

 

And this rise is due to comedy vloggers?

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2 hours ago, Comrade said:

I doubt Pewdiepie hates Jews (although I also imagine he probably hasn't thought about it much). Just like how I doubt that most of the kids on 4chan a decade ago were really particularly racist. But joking about this stuff and normalising it via "irony" in the longer run leads to truly terrible people feeling like they're being validated and more impressionable people thinking that it isn't that big a deal. It's part of the reason why horrific white-supremacist ideas are suddenly popular again when most of us thought that they were thrown in the dustbin of history.

The slippery slope fallacy always sounds sensible, but this is the exact same sort of reasoning the Jack Thompsons of this world use to legitimise their calls for bans on violent games.

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3 hours ago, Gizamaluke said:

This is such a shitshow. I'm struggling to defend pewdiepie, despite a part of me wanting to. I think the guy idolises close to the bone humour and fucked up big time basically, but the reporting of it is an absolute joke. The way the wall street journal literally went gunning for the guy and took all this stuff out of context and showed his employers is criminal as far as I am concerned.

 

Now you just have a situation where a hugely influential figure is being attacked by the liberal 'sjw' left, and all those impressionable kids that look up to him see him defended by the 'alt right' or whatever and it just all plays in to the whole political landscape we have, where the US President can brush anything aside as fake news with his tiny little baby hands.

 

So now this guy with perhaps more influence on young minds than anyone else on the planet is being demonised by the left and idolised by the right, and the mainstream media once again is hugely undermined. Not a good situation, and it doesn't actually help anything at all really. All it shows is that the responsibility the media and popular public figures have has been completely brushed aside for clicks and views.

 

What a world.

 Your post reads like youre agreeing with Paul Joseph Watson here. Are you absolutely sure youre not over complicating the natural condemnation of a bad thing by most people other than total total 4channers.

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I'm not quite sure how you got that from my post. My point was that people reacting strongly to something without fully understanding it or even bothering to watch the content will only weaken their own cause and push people into further support of the person being attacked. In this case, pewdiepie was called out for racist content, but the way in which it has been done has only given him more support. Sound familiar placed in wider context?

 

As a  liberal person trying to understand the past 12 months, I am just trying to look at bigger pictures here rather than knee-jerk react.

 

 

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It sounds familiar if you believe Trump was voted in because people felt sorry for him , rather than because they wanted a supposed " anti establishment figure". I dont think poo poo pie's punishment has gone far enough.

 

As a democratic socialist trying to understand people not condemning this, and totally understanding the last 12 months, I find it hard to understand why anyone would defend this guy , especially in a climate where anti semitism is a big big issue. Knee jerk reaction or people reacting logically to something contemptable?  I am not sure that saying its a knee jerk reaction is very liberal. I am not sure that your understanding of the political positioning of your own stance is accurate.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, mrpranny said:

 

 

It sounds familiar if you believe Trump was voted in because people felt sorry for him , rather than because they wanted a supposed " anti establishment figure". I dont think poo poo pie's punishment has gone far enough.

 

As a democratic socialist trying to understand people not condemning this, and totally understanding the last 12 months, I find it hard to understand why anyone would defend this guy , especially in a climate where anti semitism is a big big issue. Knee jerk reaction or people reacting logically to something contemptable?  I am not sure that saying its a knee jerk reaction is very liberal. I am not sure that your understanding of the political positioning of your own stance is accurate.

 

 

 

Firstly, Trump and I also believe Brexit becoming our reality was partly in reaction to the holier than thou I am right and you are all wrong position held by a lot of the liberal left at the time (me included) to both events. Which is exactly the stance of a lot of people to this. 'I haven't watched any of the content, but he said a racist so deserves everything he gets the human scum...'

 

Secondly, poo poo pie. Jesus man.

 

Thirdly, I have condemned pewdiepie. More than once. And even in my second to last post have said I find it hard to defend pewdipie's actions.

 

Fourthly, anti Semitism and racism in general is always a big issue. No more or less so now.

 

Finally, the definition of liberal is literally to show willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own and be open to new ideas which is exactly my position here.

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22 minutes ago, Gizamaluke said:

 

Firstly, Trump and I also believe Brexit becoming our reality was partly in reaction to the holier than thou I am right and you are all wrong position held by a lot of the liberal left at the time (me included) to both events. Which is exactly the stance of a lot of people to this. 'I haven't watched any of the content, but he said a racist so deserves everything he gets the human scum...'

A: It was partly a reaction to that , but it will always be a reaction to that . the important part of a thing happening is the part that is unusual. the part that sways the balance, so no I think youre wrong.  In brexit the swing was from a reaction to the tory government and lashing out, bigotry fuelled by the =media- a constant but particularly strong here and now, attack on the supposed establishment by free thinkers like boris johnson lol- unusual in the degree of its wrongness due to media bias. In america it was swung by the anti establishment thing and the likelyhood of having a change of office being high whenever a new president is elected, plus the hillary thing- she is rightly seen as a warmonger though had great plans otherwise with health service reform and schools. But was seen as establishment. And the emails thing and the russia thing and teh fake news thing and all the rest of teh things that were unusual.

 

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Secondly, poo poo pie. Jesus man.

A: cheers.

 

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Thirdly, I have condemned pewdiepie. More than once. And even in my second to last post have said I find it hard to defend pewdipie's actions.

A: Cool appologies !

 

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Fourthly, anti Semitism and racism in general is always a big issue. No more or less so now.

A: Yes obviously always a big issue, but it is a current problem along with xenophobia and racism. It is clearly on the rise. I think saying it is always a big issue is missing the point by a large margin!

 

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Finally, the definition of liberal is literally to show willing to respect or accept behaviour or opinions different from one's own and be open to new ideas which is exactly my position here.

A: that's cool , respect.

 

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