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And finished. What a ride. What an emotional rollercoaster. Im a wreck, just sitting here as the credits roll, reflecting on it all. Absolutely amazing. 

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5 hours ago, Dave White said:


Spent near enough a week thinking about the game after completion and think my main gripe is

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some of the incredible moments between Dina and Ellie never seem to be replicated. It ends totally flat with no hint of where Ellie is going or the point of the whole journey.

 

Just some bit of optimism in a character who basically turned out to be quite a monster would have really changed my feelings, its basically a really depressing experience that never lets up.

 

 

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I think it’s much bleaker than that; Ellie’s story arc is complete her having exhausted every and all ends only to end up alone and still not at peace. So I think the only way she can achieve that is by seeking out someone who can help her discover a cure, hand herself over in other words, and of course as we know die in the process. But I think that is her intention as the final scene we see in the epilogue is the one with her saying she wants to try and forgive Joel, and that her dying to make the vaccine should have been her choice. 

 

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2 hours ago, Raoull duke said:

 

The combat is exactly the same warts and all (I'm counting this as a serious flaw as they haven't addressed any of the obvious issues that the first had, I could ignore them in the first game assuming time constraints or whatever but for a sequel seven years in the making not to address a single issue is not so easily explained away), my problem with the combat here is the pacing. One long relentless slog of a battle after another.

The first game had plenty of skirmishes that were super intense but they were all (nearly all) over relatively quickly. Also the set pieces in the first were infinitely better than in this. As for level design the world was beautifully realised, I'm not faulting it, it looked fucking amazing and was atmospheric as fuck, but relative to the first game it was incredibly limited, I think that's why that superfluous last section was tacked on (it wasn't great anyway). What part of it was better or even comparable to the winter section in the first? 

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I suppose the bit with all the fires

It looked awesome but it didn't play anywhere near as well, nor was it as atmospheric. 

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I’d be interested to hear why you think it’s flawed, but I can’t accept it’s exactly the same as the first game as it just isn’t. As for set pieces not being better :blink:

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Aannnd onward to Day Three

 

The last hour or two was so good. Got stuck on one bit for about five deaths then nailed it and swept through the rest. No idea how far in I am but it only feels like it started to properly get going, so plenty left yet I assume. What a game

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Fucking hell the bit with Ellie in the theatre basement is so fucking shit, just let it fucking end no need for that crap. What magic actions do I need to achieve to end this stupid bit of gameplay?

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3 minutes ago, spanx said:

Aannnd onward to Day Three

 

The last hour or two was so good. Got stuck on one bit for about five deaths then nailed it and swept through the rest. No idea how far in I am but it only feels like it started to properly get going, so plenty left yet I assume. What a game

 

It's a long game, but I've not been bored in the slightest.

 

One particular section I just went through scared the bejeezus out of me. I was in blind panic mode throughout it. 

 

Fire helped :)

 

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3 minutes ago, Minion said:

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Fucking hell the bit with Ellie in the theatre basement is so fucking shit, just let it fucking end no need for that crap. What magic actions do I need to achieve to end this stupid bit of gameplay?

Git gud. :lol:

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5 minutes ago, Thor said:

Git gud. :lol:

 

It's not at all fun this bit, it's actually made me rather fed up with the game. The games over why prolong it with some awful gameplay section. Also fuck you.

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1 minute ago, Minion said:

 

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It's not at all fun this bit, it's actually made me rather fed up with the game. The games over why prolong it with some awful gameplay section. Also fuck you.

:lol:

 

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Don't attack her head on, if you see she's setting a trap then try and get behind/to the side of her. 

 

Also, you keep saying it's the end of the game ... 

 

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8 minutes ago, Thor said:

:lol:

 

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Don't attack her head on, if you see she's setting a trap then try and get behind/to the side of her. 

 

Also, you keep saying it's the end of the game ... 

 

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Haha ok cheers I'll try it tomorrow.

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I’ve reached a bit where I’m considering trying to make a run for the exit rather than see what’s lurking in the darkness outside the room I’m currently cowering in. Sound design and lighting doing some heavy lifting, tension and atmosphere at maximum - I had to call it a night.

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21 minutes ago, SpagMasterSwift said:

I’ve reached a bit where I’m considering trying to make a run for the exit rather than see what’s lurking in the darkness outside the room I’m currently cowering in. Sound design and lighting doing some heavy lifting, tension and atmosphere at maximum - I had to call it a night.

 

What bit is it?

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1 hour ago, Minion said:

 

Haha ok cheers I'll try it tomorrow.

 

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There are bottles (or bricks, can't remember) lying around. Use them to stun her and run up to her to melee her. Because she has firepower and you don't, you don't stand a chance in open combat.

 

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2 hours ago, Stanley said:

I’d be interested to hear why you think it’s flawed, but I can’t accept it’s exactly the same as the first game as it just isn’t. As for set pieces not being better :blink:

 

Can you explain to me how to combat is different? 

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40 minutes ago, Raoull duke said:

 

Can you explain to me how to combat is different? 

How different did you expect it to be? I guess they could have made it first person and given you a laser gun, but not sure that would have worked. 

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14 minutes ago, Peb Kacharach said:

I have just finished Day 3. Major spoilers:

 

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I don’t want to overreact. I see what ND are trying to do. But I think I hate this. The Joel/Ellie, Jessie/Dina parallel with Abby’s crew is extremely on the nose, I don’t think the narrative they’re spinning really tallies with how the WLF have behaved up until this point. To be clear, no matter how relatable or similar to Ellie they make her: Abby and her crew were in the wrong.
 

I guessed Abby’s connection to Joel at the beginning but thought it might end up being something more surprising, nuanced or darker. I don’t want to play through the game from the enemy’s perspective and finally, I hate Abby’s character design, just doesn’t look like a real person something uncanny and awkward about it. 


It’s killed my motivation to keep playing because at the end they’re probably all hug and be like “we really are the same”! And team up to fight the Scars lady or some shit.

 

Maybe the Scars are the real heroes.


 

 

 

I don’t think i could agree with you any less. 

 

You should properly stop playing, because this bit isn’t going to get any better for you.

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18 minutes ago, Peb Kacharach said:

I have just finished Day 3. Major spoilers:

 

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I don’t want to overreact. I see what ND are trying to do. But I think I hate this. The Joel/Ellie, Jessie/Dina parallel with Abby’s crew is extremely on the nose, I don’t think the narrative they’re spinning really tallies with how the WLF have behaved up until this point. To be clear, no matter how relatable or similar to Ellie they make her: Abby and her crew were in the wrong.
 

I guessed Abby’s connection to Joel at the beginning but thought it might end up being something more surprising, nuanced or darker. I don’t want to play through the game from the enemy’s perspective and finally, I hate Abby’s character design, just doesn’t look like a real person something uncanny and awkward about it. 


It’s killed my motivation to keep playing because at the end they’re probably all hug and be like “we really are the same”! And team up to fight the Scars lady or some shit.

 

Maybe the Scars are the real heroes.

 

Ha, you should keep playing.

 

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Abby is nothing like Ellie.

 

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12 hours ago, Raoull duke said:

 

Can you explain to me how to combat is different? 

 

More mobility, new moves, more tools, more open and vertical level design to accommodate for that, more variety between

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both player characters

, more enemy variety, better enemy AI, the way you can pit enemies against each other and better use of the environment (cars and beds to hide under, glass to shatter, water to swim in). The latter extends to the puzzels and traversal as well, with less repetition and more variety. More exploration as well.And it is better in terms of set-pieces. It has more of them and they feel more varied. I can't really recall many in the first and here you have

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the car escape with Jesse, the Scars attacking the truck on horses, the skyscraper, the sniper attack, the escape on horseback through the burning village.

 

I also feel that horror-wise, nothing in the first touches the Ground Zero chapter in this.

 

 

It's definitely a better game from a gameplay perspective I think.

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8 hours ago, Peb Kacharach said:

I have just finished Day 3. Major spoilers:

 

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I don’t want to overreact. I see what ND are trying to do. But I think I hate this. The Joel/Ellie, Jessie/Dina parallel with Abby’s crew is extremely on the nose, I don’t think the narrative they’re spinning really tallies with how the WLF have behaved up until this point. To be clear, no matter how relatable or similar to Ellie they make her: Abby and her crew were in the wrong.
 

I guessed Abby’s connection to Joel at the beginning but thought it might end up being something more surprising, nuanced or darker. I don’t want to play through the game from the enemy’s perspective and finally, I hate Abby’s character design, just doesn’t look like a real person something uncanny and awkward about it. 


It’s killed my motivation to keep playing because at the end they’re probably all hug and be like “we really are the same”! And team up to fight the Scars lady or some shit.

 

Maybe the Scars are the real heroes.


 

 

 

Keep playing. The second half is much better and interesting than the first. Noah in his video explains it better than I ever could though, but only watch it after finishing it.

 

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Also, Abby is modeled after a real person, see my post from earlier today.

 

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Seattle Day 2 in the bag.

 

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I’m surprised at how much this is leaning into the ending of the first game now, both as how it affects the central relationship with Joel, and how it’s driven the events leading up to this. It’s like the first game ended with lightning and this is the thunder.
 

Some real fine craftsmanship here, like the sewer level fake-out and the hospital basement from Hell. Although, I completely fucked the sneak into the hospital, and some people and at least one dog may have eaten a lot of shit as a result.

 

Fuck the Whistle Binkies or whoever they are.

 

I’ve GOT to be at least near the halfway mark now right? My skill tree is looking swole.

 

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34 minutes ago, Hylian said:

How different did you expect it to be? I guess they could have made it first person and given you a laser gun, but not sure that would have worked. 

I would have liked them to have fixed all the flaws. Which was my original point.

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I love Abby and a bit grossed out by all the ‘she doesn’t even look like a real person’ commentary. People can come in all shapes and sizes and getting flashbacks when all the idiots were misgendering her based on the spoiler leaks.

 

The entire story had to play out like it did. Joel had to go, there’s no other story to tell. Only a psychopath would disagree. He doomed mankind.

 

The first time the character switch happened I was also FFS, don’t want to play as the bad guy, what pointlessness is this? My ticket was for the adventures in revenge with Ellie and her irritating and vacant bland as F sidekicks. It’s a credit to the writing that I too had a hard-on for wiping out Team Wolf right up until Abby reminded us how we were wasting our lives.
 

On my second play through now, whipping through the Ellie section to get to the good part. The part with the empathetic character who’s dad got murdered trying to save humanity and who’s second most recognisable character trait was her consistent fear of heights, the part with the sky bridges, Lev talking like Batista in Guardians if the Galaxy, the hell tower escape, fire island and that amazing football stadium. It’s nothing like Raiden from Metal Gear Solid 2, where you spend the entire time knowing Snake is the cooler one. Abby is more like switching to Big Boss.

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5 hours ago, Raoull duke said:

 

Can you explain to me how to combat is different? 

Sure, once you’ve explained why you think it’s flawed in order for me to have something to go on. 

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9 hours ago, Jamie John said:

 

What bit is it?

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Made my way around a seemingly empty floor of a building looking for a gas mask, found it and then heard noises outside...

I’m guessing I’m in the second half of the game.

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