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On 09/10/2018 at 12:59, grindmouse said:

 

Keep watching for a bit and stop overanalysing? That will kill any comedy.

 

Bit dismissive. I can easily enjoy absurd/surreal/wacky comedy but this seems extremely narrative focused and the premise just barely makes any sense. It seems like the type of show where they do actually want you to care about the characters and story but it's hard for me to do that if there doesn't seem to be any consistency to the chain of events. I mean, to pull a couple of examples out of the hat, The Simpsons or Community could be unrealistic as hell but there was still usually an internal logic running underneath it all in which it made sense. Whereas within the first episode of this, it expects you to care about the story in a world where barely anything has any logic and the rules seem to contradict each other almost immediately.

 

Anyway, based on your answer I'll assume it doesn't improve in that respect and is probably not for me.

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It does definitely improve at the end of the first season, but I agree it's a bit of a slog to get there. The second season is great and really inventive in places. 

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40 minutes ago, Majora said:

Bit dismissive. I can easily enjoy absurd/surreal/wacky comedy but this seems extremely narrative focused and the premise just barely makes any sense. It seems like the type of show where they do actually want you to care about the characters and story but it's hard for me to do that if there doesn't seem to be any consistency to the chain of events. I mean, to pull a couple of examples out of the hat, The Simpsons or Community could be unrealistic as hell but there was still usually an internal logic running underneath it all in which it made sense. Whereas within the first episode of this, it expects you to care about the story in a world where barely anything has any logic and the rules seem to contradict each other almost immediately.

 

Anyway, based on your answer I'll assume it doesn't improve in that respect and is probably not for me.

 

You watched two episodes and I’m dismissive?

 

The logic of the show is internally consistent. No less than something like The Simpsons. It explains itself. But if you’re hung up on that now, I’d move on. It doesn’t appear to be to your taste.

 

Edit: The first season is not a slog.

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2 hours ago, Majora said:

there doesn't seem to be any consistency to the chain of events

 

Is there anything in particular that’s bugging you? Either I or others in the thread could probably give you a quick yes/no on whether an apparent inconsistency is resolved later on in the series. 

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Wow, episode 3 was a lot better, they got rid of the character that wasn’t working and had the group back to their old dynamic. More interesting and, crucially, funnier. It’s almost like a new person took control of the writers’ room to steer things back in the right direction. 

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I agree @Starbreaker the whole earth scenario isn't doing anything for me which is a shame as it started so well. Janet without her powers is no fun either, they need to get back to the afterlife as quickly as possible. 

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I don't know they're using Janet's knowledge pretty well - but I can see your complaints.

 

Did I read too much into it - or did Mike really not seem to into the new "mission"?

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I genuinely can't even remember Ted Danson doing anything at all in the last episode. The entire focus of it seemed to be "Chidi is indecisive, Jason is an idiot". Both of which we knew about three episodes into the first series. It's not BAD per se, it's just a bit frustrating to something go from really special to completely bleh so quickly. 

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It still feels like they're trying to manoeuvre the characters into the situation part of 'sit-com'. The previous two series did that in the first two episodes and then let it all unravel from there. 5 episodes in and the 'situation' has changed multiple times and I'm not even sure what it currently is.

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Add one to the list of people who think this has gone badly off the boil this season. Without the fantastical setting there's simply no hook to it, it's just the same half a dozen characters doing the same things they've done before, in a boring environment.

 

This show used to burn through plot at an incredible speed - every episode ending with a twist that upended everything you'd just watched - but they've basically been doing the same stuff now for five episodes. I'm a bit fed up of it to be honest.

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18 hours ago, Stigweard said:

 

and shredded

 

:lol:

 

That’s the situation we’ve reached in tv and movies, where body shaming is so chronic that even a guy playing an academic gets a six pack when he finds out he’ll have to show his chest for a couple of minutes. Could just be a happy coincidence of course, but I doubt it. 

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I've been fine with this series (although not thinking it's not as good, I'm not as down on it as others) - but I've no chuffin idea what happened in today's...it was bland, unfunny (or jokes just missing) and no energy to it at all. Characters literally annoucing their exact feelings and reactions.

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It might just be that it’s not easy to pull the rug out from under the audience’s feet, rather than just those of the characters. Which wasn’t the case in the second season.

considering the last episode - we’d never heard, nor cared, about a mum, so the reveal had zero impact, and the storyline had zero impact.

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2 hours ago, Stopharage said:

Reeks of having been commissioned with a two season plan in place. Popularity ensued. Hurriedly wrote an outline for a third series on the back of a vaping box. 

 

I dunno, the second season was all over the place narratively.

 

I don’t think the quality drop has been huge, but it has slowed down and characters like Janet don’t really work outside of the afterlife setting.

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Season 3 has been a downturn although still not bad.  I wonder if the resetting of the characters hasn't been done once too often. This is the third/forth time we've watched these characters being introduced to each other and perhaps it is just repeating old ground too much. 

 

Also, this version of the characters has seemingly being together for an entire year but it doesn't feel that it is truly being written that way. I've not seen the latest episode yet but it has been a bit slow going this season so far.  You look back at the wonder of the first season, the unexpectedness of the second season and suddenly their earth exploits just seem a bit tame. Both Season 2 and 3 had a strong through plot whilst Season 3 gives the impression of not really knowing what to do with the current setting. 

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I thought it was just me. I couldn’t even make it through the first ep.

 

ill try again soon but the comments in here aren’t too inviting. Season 2 especially was one of the best sitcoms in a long time.

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This week’s was much better. It’s amazing how much more engaging the show is when it’s actually set in The Good Place, even in flashback. They really need to find a way to get back to that somehow. 

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Yep. The Grounding has gone and it's back to being fun.

 

Janet :wub:

 

Although Eleanor had line of the night.

 

 

“When is the right time to tell someone you were passionate lovers in an alternate timeline in the afterlife but he doesn’t remember because technically none of that happened in this strand of the multiverse?”

 

 

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There were a couple of dodgy episodes earlier in the season (that one with Jason's Dad was rubs) but the last couple have been gold again. Phew!

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