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This was brutal. Jackman and Stewart were brilliant. Could have lived without X24 but kinda sorta for the themes. My favourite but was Patrick Stewart showing he'd taken his medicine.

 

Exhausted now though.

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Black & White version of the film confirmed for Blu-ray -

http://deadline.com/2017/03/logan-director-james-mangold-on-making-it-his-way-releasing-a-black-and-white-version-and-why-superhero-movies-have-too-many-endings-1202038110/

Mangold is developing a black and white version of Logan that will appear on the DVD. After dancing around the question he confirmed it.” It is something we are doing,” he said. The idea started because he thinks Jackman looks best with a kind of pretty harsh lighting and that transitions well into black and white. B&W photos he was taking during production were released and found their way on to the Internet.” I think it even surprised everyone to the degree that there is a kind of a running assumption that black and white is a turnoff for most people. It caused such an extreme reaction, and so much appreciation for these pictures, and then people immediately wondering if the film itself was going to be in black and white, and so we are giving it a whirl, and I think the Blu-ray will come out with a pass on it. I think it will be a very handsome black and white version of the picture,” he said. George Miller did something similar with his chrome version of Mad Max: Fury Road.

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Saw this tonight - wasn't that excited for it for some reason despite liking the look of the trailer, being a fan of Jackman's Wolverine and anything with Patrick  Stewart in it and some of the En films plus the good word of mouth.

 

It was brilliant!!!

 

Consistently good through-out. I was half expecting it to suddenly fall apart, but it was just great. Loved every second of it.

 

Two very different films, but this and Lego Batman mean it's already looking like the best year for super-hero films even if the three upcoming Marvel ones turn out to be average and the 2 DC ones are somehow worse than last years.

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I still can't believe this is a 15. It's astonishingly violent and sweary in a way that makes deadpool look like toystory. 

What do you need to do to get an 18 nowadays? 

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He says fuck or shit like pretty much every other word. And brutally and graphically stabs, dismembers and disembowels a hundred people. 

 

No cunt though. 

 

I guess it's the weird American sex vs violence attitude. 

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One thing I liked in terms of all the violence and stabbings is (super spoilers - do not open unless you've seen it)

 

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at times it was still shocking or sort of came out of nowhere (even if you were sort of expecting it).

 

Charles dying then that family getting killed

 

Wolverine killing Richard E Grant and shooting Pierce (even though you see him palm the gun earlier him suddenly firing at them still came as a surprise)

 

and when the kids kill Pierce using their powers - that was genuinely disturbing.

 

The whole tone and structure of the film was brilliant - an engaging character piece amongst this constant state of peril and sadness that would then explode into violence before settling down again for a bit with some funny moments peppered throughout.

 

Very interested to see how it stands up on a repeat viewing, but at the moment I really can't praise it enough.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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This film. I dreamt about it last night and it's stuck with me all day. Can't stop thinking about it. 

 

What i find is a bit annoying is - ok , it's the last one. Fine. But why didn't you make the other 2 wolverine films as good as this? Instead of fucking stupid katana fist deadpool/ weapon x bollocks or the Japan one which I just can't remember anything about despite having seen it twice. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, And said:

...What i find is a bit annoying is - ok , it's the last one. Fine. But why didn't you make the other 2 wolverine films as good as this? Instead of fucking stupid katana fist deadpool/ weapon x bollocks or the Japan one which I just can't remember anything about despite having seen it twice.

A lot had to happen for the many moving parts of this film to become what you saw on the screen.

You had to have the 2 previous films be as they were to get this one the way it is.

 

For example, If Christian Bale hadn't gotten injured in 2015 then James Mangold would made a film with him first instead of proceeding with Logan - http://variety.com/2015/film/news/christian-bale-tears-acl-delaying-foxs-travis-mcgee-movie-1201479603/

Bale's injury allowed for Mangold to commit to Logan. His work on The Wolverine meant he was trusted by the studio and he was able to work towards his vision for this film due to that.

 

The success of Deadpool last year allowed for Fox to give the greenlight to an R rating for this film whereas the previous 2 Wolverine films had a PG-13 rating.

What a difference an age rating makes. The unrated cut of The Wolverine had a few changes for the better with the Ninja fight and other Wolverine-esqe behavior like the 

 

cigar smoking

 

Even Mangold knew what the studio would remove from The Wolverine before the executives had seen it -

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhughes/2013/11/22/director-james-mangold-explains-unleashed-version-of-the-wolverine/#4f748f2a5b32

 

The Wikipedia page about this film is a great read (if you haven't already) -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_(film)

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It occurred to me that the casino scene where Wolverine is dragging himself along the corridor to Xavier's room was almost like a twist on a Quicksilver scene. Only with a piercing screech on the soundtrack instead of an old pop hit, and killing people instead of moving them out of harm's way!

 

This was really good, though I think X2 is still my favourite overall.

 

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I think it might have been better if they'd used Sabretooth instead of X34 though. (I think we all assume that the ones in Origins and X-Men 1 are different people, right?) I think all they said to explain the fact a fully-grown clone was the follow-up to the programme experimenting on kids was that he had the rage and willingness to be a soldier that they were unable to instil in the kids.

 

It seemed redundant to add a clone, when Sabertooth is already more vicious than Wolverine, and (even though I can't remember a thing about him in Origins) has more of a connection as a character. (Yes, more connection than an EXACT CLONE!) The prospect of Wolverine dying in his final fight against his half-brother, who had appeared in both the earliest film in the setting's chronology and the first film in the franchise, in order to save his daughter? That would have had a neat circularity to it.

 

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This film really is great.

 

I'm glad that they persisted in making these Wolverine films now that this is the end result. Hopefully it is the beginning of more films like this.

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My trips to the cinema are, like many, sparing these days, both out of necessity and of course resentment at the sky high prices for so much utter dross. Fortunately I'm quite good at picking the right thing for our rare excursions and I'm particularly happy this made the list. A brilliant film, all the more so for making it to the screen in this form. The execs involved must either be brave or trusting or - I'm really reaching here - actually interested in making great movies.

 

But my lingering impression is of just how bleak it was. I enjoyed many parts of it, loved and admired basically all of it, but the complete absence of hope was quite affecting, especially in this context, with all the conventions of the genre. I mean, I went in expecting something rather more grown up than your average superhero fare, but I still would have guessed at

 

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some kind of upbeat ending, the good guys winning, etc. Sure, the kids made it to the border, but to what end? It's over; the X-Men lost, their lives' efforts ultimately futile,  hasty shallow graves in obscurity their reward. After the nice touch with the crucifix, you think perhaps some brief epilogue will at least show his efforts weren't in vain - maybe a glimpse of the kids safe somewhere, a bit further down the line - but no: cut to black, fuck you. 

 

One of those where you rate it extremely highly, but simultaneously may well never watch it again. Exceptional.

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Really enjoyed this, bleak, upsetting, super violent, funny just when it needs to be and a great showcase for Jackman and Picard. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just came back from this and really enjoyed it! This is how you do a Wolverine film. I can't believe there was actual acting and writing involved as well. Who'd have thunk it!

 

The violence was a bit crazy at times though. Kids getting shot, kids murdering others... comic book films in 2017 are weird lol. 

 

80/100

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12 hours ago, VN1X said:

Just came back from this and really enjoyed it! This is how you do a Wolverine film. I can't believe there was actual acting and writing involved as well. Who'd have thunk it!

 

The violence was a bit crazy at times though. Kids getting shot, kids murdering others... comic book films in 2017 are weird lol. 

 

80/100

 

Just so I'm clear here- you think that the other X-Men films have all been improvised? That's a hell of a group of improvisers, if so.

 

Well, apart from Wolverine: Origins, X-Men 3 and Apocalypse. So maybe just an average group of improvisers.

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31 minutes ago, Andy_Why said:

 

Just so I'm clear here- you think that the other X-Men films have all been improvised? That's a hell of a group of improvisers, if so.

 

Well, apart from Wolverine: Origins, X-Men 3 and Apocalypse. So maybe just an average group of improvisers.

Wah? Did you quote the wrong person perhaps? 

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