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6 minutes ago, Doctor Shark said:

So is Discovery universally hated, or is it just us being grumpy? 

 

I'm sure some people like it. It's just such a missed opportunity. Imagine peak TNG with this budget and production values.

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20 minutes ago, Eighthours said:

 

I'm sure some people like it. It's just such a missed opportunity. Imagine peak TNG with this budget and production values.


I don’t have to imagine - we have the Orville. 

 

11 minutes ago, JohnC said:

There are people who like it, but it isn’t just here who don’t. Wasn’t there even an instance of Lower Decks taking the piss out of it with a joke?


Probably, but Lower Decks takes the piss out of everything. 

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10 minutes ago, JohnC said:

There are people who like it, but it isn’t just here who don’t. Wasn’t there even an instance of Lower Decks taking the piss out of it with a joke?

Yep, although it was more a comment on Boimler (and presumably the Lower Decks writers) preferring classic style Trek over Discovery's hyper-serialised actiony approach. Discovery's problem isn't really that it's not like classic Trek, it's just shit.

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In itself, it has its moments (mostly those with Tilly/Stamets/Reno/Saru), and *some* episodes are legitimately great, but it is in absolutely no way a Star Trek show.

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2 minutes ago, Doctor Shark said:

I don’t have to imagine - we have the Orville. 

 

The Orville's budget and production values are way, way below this. And probably way below TNG. Which makes it all the more impressive.

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4 minutes ago, Doctor Shark said:


I don’t have to imagine - we have the Orville. 

 


Probably, but Lower Decks takes the piss out of everything. 

 

The Orville's budget is nothing like Discovery's, and while I love the show, the set design (particularly the bridge) is pretty horrible in places for a show that's made now. It seems intentional but it's a misstep... I would retool the sets for their new home on Hulu, in a similar way to how TNG S3 had loads of production changes. We'll see if they have.

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Well, I stand corrected.

 

Each episode of The Orville is about $7m, and Discovery is $8.5m. However, The Orville also got a massive tax rebate from the State of California, so presumably could only go that high as a result.

 

TNG was around $1.3m, which is about $2.8m in today's money.

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20 minutes ago, deKay said:

In itself, it has its moments (mostly those with Tilly/Stamets/Reno/Saru), and *some* episodes are legitimately great, but it is in absolutely no way a Star Trek show.

 

The biggest headscratcher is that Discovery seems to get worse year on year. The first season honestly showed some potential. We had an interesting captain, Saru with a bit of a chip on his shoulder, the mystery regarding Tyler and some stuff for Stamets to do. Burnham was still a central figure but kept broadly in check. Then season 2 happened and Pike showed up which was an asset to the show but the 'Burnham must always be central to the plot' rot had already well set in by this point. Season 3 then just took that principle even further. 

 

Now that she is Captain, perhaps that means she does not have to be shoehorned into every plot but I'm dubious. Maybe I am mis-remembering but we seemed to have so many Saru, plus the admiral plus, for some reason, Burnham scenes in Season 3. Like the show was afraid to have scenes take place without Burnham being present even though Picard would regularly meet admirals without needing Riker by his side. 

 

I'll give Season 4 a try but I'm not optimistic. 

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maybe its because i dont have proper twitter (or i dont understand how it works), but when i click on a link people post here like that trailer, i expect to see loads of hate filled comments, but its always just people being super excited.

what i do have is instagram... and pretty much anything discovery related gets tons of negative feedback, even jokey memes. so its definitely not just confined to this place.

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41 minutes ago, Fuddle said:

maybe its because i dont have proper twitter (or i dont understand how it works), but when i click on a link people post here like that trailer, i expect to see loads of hate filled comments, but its always just people being super excited.

what i do have is instagram... and pretty much anything discovery related gets tons of negative feedback, even jokey memes. so its definitely not just confined to this place.

 

The other day, for some bizarre reason, the official Warner Bros YouTube account posted a trailer for that Guy Ritchie King Arthur film from 2017. At first there was a lot of confusion (why are they posting a new trailer for a four year old film?) but this eventually gave way to dozens and dozens - if not hundreds - of comments of people saying how great it was, how it was underrated, how it was unfairly mauled by critics on release, how they would like a sequel.

 

The moral of the story is: don't believe everything you read on the internet.

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I've got my new girlfriend into star trek, we've watched all of TNG and now halfway through TOS. I can't wait to show her ds9 next.

 

Anyway, for a laugh I showed her the final battle scene from the disco S2 finale on YouTube.

 

Her immediate reaction was 'what the fuck is this'. Even a total trek n00b can immediately see that it's not trek.

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5 hours ago, Lorfarius said:

Lower Decks has become what this should have been. You really need to watch that as the latest series has really rejigged the lot and its some of the best Trek in years.

If this was to me, then I'm way ahead of you :) I only started watching The Orville because Lower Decks was finished and I was sad, and people recommended it as something I'd like. And they were right.

 

If this wasn't to me, then I totally agree. Everyone who likes Trek should watch Lower Decks.

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3 hours ago, Benny said:

Those Twitter bots do tend to get pretty hyped about everything to be fair.

 

If you click "Show more replies" enough times you do see comments saying the same things as us in this thread, and those are the ones with the most likes. 3.9K likes for the original tweet doesn't seem like a lot of engagement in any case, so who knows what's going on here.

 

I can only imagine the Russians are plotting to hasten the downfall of western society by flooding Twitter with positive sentiment about Discovery, making CBS waste their time and resources. They need to up their "like" game though.

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26 minutes ago, Papaya Dance said:

I've got my new girlfriend into star trek, we've watched all of TNG and now halfway through TOS. I can't wait to show her ds9 next.

 

Anyway, for a laugh I showed her the final battle scene from the disco S2 finale on YouTube.

 

Her immediate reaction was 'what the fuck is this'. Even a total trek n00b can immediately see that it's not trek.

 

Marry that woman.

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20 minutes ago, Papaya Dance said:

I may well do. Need to see what she makes of the Enterprise theme tune first though and we've got ds9 and voyager to work our way through yet.

 

The Tuvix debate might be the moment of truth.

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He's the series' Jar Jar. Annoying "comedy" character that undercuts any good that's in the rest of the show.

For me, at least. If you like him, you'll no doubt enjoy the show more than I did.

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