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13 hours ago, schmojo said:

Finally watched this tonight, and it was absolutely superb. If anyone other than James Gunn has to do GOTG, it really should be Taika Waititi.

 

It's easily the funniest Marvel movie, and gave the whole franchise some real texture - and a reason to exist. Might be tied for my favourite with GOTG1.

 

I agree, I kinda hope Taika Waititi actually does end up doing GotG3.  We all know GotG2 was kinda.. stale.

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On 07/08/2018 at 18:41, womblingfree said:

Much as Ragnarok was effortlessly fun, I thought GOTG2 was a much better movie.

 

Urgh no, Guardians 2 was a tonally confused flavourless mess without a second act. I thought Ragnarok was funny rather than the second coming, but I don’t think Guardians 2 was better by any measure. It just left me thinking Gunn shouldn’t have thrown his co-writer on the first under the bus.

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10 hours ago, Alex W. said:

Guardians 2's script deals with the similar subject to Thor Ragnarok in a deeper way, but it's not got any rhythm or pace to it. Ironically, considering.

 

Yeah, Guardians 2 was a disappointment. That second act was just so slow, and the villain's third act antics just weren't particularly compelling or exciting. 

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2 hours ago, neoELITE said:

This is like when Top Gear have three £200k+ super cars and they start comparing them and James May moans about the interior being a bit awful.

 

I grew up with such delights as Condor Man.

 

This has inspired me, why hasn't anyone done a topic on this?

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I have just finished watching this again and, no, still not feeling the almost unanimous love for it. It does have some good, properly funny lines, Hemsworth has great comic timing and charm and, of course, Goldblum.

 

Of the flip side, the Hulk just isn't that interesting and even his action scenes are quite dull (sorry, @Mr. Gerbik), Loki and Thor's interactions are almost a parody at this point and Hel - whilst cheesed-up to the max by Blanchett - doesn't have enough time to really feel like the main antagonist. I liked how they dealt with her, though.

 

I know it is mentioned as a positive that Thor is given a proper character arc but, well - "Is he though?"

 

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His 'arc' is that he learns that the Hammer never defined him and his power comes from within. But it's not like he actually learns that through the course of the film, he's just told it on the point of defeat by Odin and then, bam, he's suddenly turned into electro man. He actually has a proper, meaningful arc in his first film where he learns about responsibility, not being selfish and the protecting of others etc, culminating in him getting his armour and Hammer back. That was actually a little journey, but it was lacking here.

 

In terms of really allowing Hemsworth's personality to shine, this is a real success but, for me, it's not much else. At least I'm glad I've seen it again to know it isn't for me though.

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That's a complaint I would put to every superhero movie made in the last 10 years, I hope they start moving away from the big, finales to smaller, more personal endings.

 

I think defeating 5 challenging, threating minions is more interesting than 20 dust people who fall apart at the first punch.

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CGI action sequences are generally weightless and boring. The casino nonsense in TLJ and that pointless car chase in Black Panther being two recent ones which come to mind. 

 

The difference is Ragnarok is a far more fun movie and doesn’t take itself seriously. This applies to the whole plot, in fact. There’s not much going on there - the whole Hela thing is utterly uninteresting but takes a backseat to everything else that’s going on and so the move works by not taking itself seriously and focusing on the characters. 

 

My mind is utterly blown by PeteBrant saying this is on par with GOG2. That is a poor film which concentrates almost entirely on dry and painfully slow plot exposition (while splitting up its characters, chucking one of the franchise strengths straight out the window) before shoehorning a huge amount of focus on Yandu and Quill’s relationship in, largely within the last 20 minutes. 

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3 hours ago, HarryBizzle said:

 

 

The difference is Ragnarok is a far more fun movie and doesn’t take itself seriously. This applies to the whole plot, in fact. There’s not much going on there - the whole Hela thing is utterly uninteresting but takes a backseat to everything else that’s going on and so the move works by not taking itself seriously and focusing on the characters. 

 

My mind is utterly blown by PeteBrant saying this is on par with GOG2. That is a poor film which concentrates almost entirely on dry and painfully slow plot exposition (while splitting up its characters, chucking one of the franchise strengths straight out the window) before shoehorning a huge amount of focus on Yandu and Quill’s relationship in, largely within the last 20 minutes. 

There’s another film that’s fun , doesn’t take itself seriously , focusses on the characters , and the plot is thin but it doesn’t matter, what’s it called , oh yeah , GOTG2 ;) 

 

GOTG 2 is a top tier MCU film along with the original and ragnarok ( and a few select other , see the ranking thread for details)

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On 09/08/2018 at 11:30, Thor said:

I bloody loved Condor Man as a kid. :D

 

No-one loved Condor Man as a kid. 

 

You're thinking of Some mother's do 'ave 'em ;) 

 

Either that or Frank Spencer's turn singing in Phantom of the Opera.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

There’s another film that’s fun , doesn’t take itself seriously , focusses on the characters , and the plot is thin but it doesn’t matter, what’s it called , oh yeah , GOTG2 ;) 

 

GOTG 2 is a top tier MCU film along with the original and ragnarok ( and a few select other , see the ranking thread for details)

 

GOTG2 is surprisingly dark. Even if you like it I don’t know how you can say it doesn’t take itself seriously. The last scene is an emotional funeral (which despite its other failings did affect me slightly). Then you’ve got Rocket, Gamorrah’s sister and Quill all going through some pretty sad times. Not what I’d consider a fun and carefree movie. 

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22 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

 

GOTG2 is surprisingly dark. Even if you like it I don’t know how you can say it doesn’t take itself seriously. The last scene is an emotional funeral (which despite its other failings did affect me slightly). Then you’ve got Rocket, Gamorrah’s sister and Quill all going through some pretty sad times. Not what I’d consider a fun and carefree movie. 

You’re right , there was that funny moment in ragnarok when Odin died , and when Thor lost an eye , and his entire homeworld was destroyed ..

 

We can do this all day . 

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Asgard being destroyed is one of the funniest moments in the film. 

 

My feeling without Ragnarok was all the crazy stuff distracts totally from the otherwise doomsday plot. In GOTG2 the comic relief is sparse and to my mind mainly consists of Drax calling that girl ugly 50 times. 

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8 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

Asgard being destroyed is one of the funniest moments in the film. 

 

 

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Korg: [Asgard is now in ruins] The damage is not too bad. As long as the foundations are still strong, we can rebuild this place. It will become a haven for all peoples and aliens of the universe. 
[Asgard explodes] 
Korg: Oof. Now those foundations are gone. Sorry.

 

:D

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  • 11 months later...

So I watched the UHD BD of this. First MCU film in about a year with the so-so sequel to Guardians of the Galaxy being the previous one.

 

It was decent, now that Disney can see the $$$$$$ signs, they've actually started putting some actual money into the presentation on these films and this is a big step up from The Avengers and other films of that era in terms of production values, it finally actually looks like a real film, rather than a glorified TV movie. The CGI is more grounded than in prior films, but that's the usual expected progress with these things.

 

The end battle sequence was the usual tedious bollocks though and the weird bloodless but what would be pretty gory killings if it wasn't a 12A were mildly jarring, just copy James Cameron FFS if you want to see how to do a final action sequence.

 

The humour was very much of the sort of thing Taika Waititi has done previously, worth the odd chuckle. I think we're skipping to Infinity War next, followed by the apparently inferior sequel to that film.

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