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Imagine Duran Duran submitting an angular power pop workout about dancing with weird wooshy sound effects for one of the recent outings. They’d have to have Craig titting about on top of Tower Bridge and joining in with the final chorus or some shit for the music video. Never going to happen.

 

Just goes to show what these so called ‘experts’ know about film making. Come on Bond makers, pull your fingers out.

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On 08/01/2020 at 08:37, MrPogo said:


That’s an element I hate about a lot of genre movies in recent years (super hero ones are often bad for it). It’s really rare to just see a movie with the characters and their organisation fully established and just doing their thing against an enemy with a focussed goal. It usually seems to jump straight from Origin Story movie to some sort of crisis where either the characters are doubting themselves or their teammates, or they (either individually or an organisation) have been set up and had to go rogue because the bad guy has a personal vendetta of some kind instead of just being out to commit dastardly deeds for their own gain which the good guys are trying to stop.

 

It's my main pet hate with not only Bond and superheroes but things like Sherlock and Doctor Who: making the main character the story rather than putting them in a story. They could reboot Bond easily by simply having him turn up at M's office, get a mission, head for exotic locale via Q's lab, get involved in espionage caper with larger-than-life villain - I call it "refreshingly oldschool". There are adults alive now who were babies when Brosnan's last Bond film came out, all they know is the dour Craig era. Old-style Bond would be a revelation*

 

* this assumes anyone under 25 doesn't bother watching films from before 1995.

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Yeah, I like the sound of this. I think this film at least looks to go more in that direction, while perhaps addressing the plot issues from Spectre.

 

Maybe. 

 

I'm not holding out much hope, I fucking hated Spectre when I saw it in the cinema, haven't watched it since either. It's trash. But I'm willing to give this a shot. 

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On 04/02/2020 at 21:10, JPL said:

There are only two Bond themes. Live And Let Die and A View to A Kill.

 

 

Bollocks to that.  If it were not for Shirley Bassey and the Goldfinger theme, then Bond as a franchise would probably not have got past the 60’s.

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On 04/02/2020 at 22:16, Vimster said:

 

It's my main pet hate with not only Bond and superheroes but things like Sherlock and Doctor Who: making the main character the story rather than putting them in a story. They could reboot Bond easily by simply having him turn up at M's office, get a mission, head for exotic locale via Q's lab, get involved in espionage caper with larger-than-life villain - I call it "refreshingly oldschool". There are adults alive now who were babies when Brosnan's last Bond film came out, all they know is the dour Craig era. Old-style Bond would be a revelation*

 

* this assumes anyone under 25 doesn't bother watching films from before 1995.


So much this. Bravo sir. This started to creep in in the mid 80's, where the third act twist would be that it became 'personal'. Lethal Weapon when Mr Joshua kidnaps Murtaughs daughter. It's so played out now.

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Mr Bond, you've failed your annual KPI to kill 1 major bad guy, 25 minions and cause approximately 1 Billion pounds in damage, instead you've focused on avenging Vespers death at the hands of some middle management gangster. only half your annual bonus this year.

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On 04/02/2020 at 19:56, kerraig UK said:

No love for the Chris Cornell theme? I fucking love that track


Oh god yes. It’s so good. I feel like most criticisms of Bond need a Casino Royale caveat. It’s such a good Bond film that it’s actually a good film in more general terms. 

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10 hours ago, Waggo said:

 

 

Bollocks to that.  If it were not for Shirley Bassey and the Goldfinger theme, then Bond as a franchise would probably not have got past the 60’s.

What can I say? I’m a child of the 80s. Give me that electronic power pop over the 60s orchestral stuff any day!

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On 04/02/2020 at 22:16, Vimster said:

 

It's my main pet hate with not only Bond and superheroes but things like Sherlock and Doctor Who: making the main character the story rather than putting them in a story. They could reboot Bond easily by simply having him turn up at M's office, get a mission, head for exotic locale via Q's lab, get involved in espionage caper with larger-than-life villain - I call it "refreshingly oldschool". There are adults alive now who were babies when Brosnan's last Bond film came out, all they know is the dour Craig era. Old-style Bond would be a revelation*

 

* this assumes anyone under 25 doesn't bother watching films from before 1995.

 

Mission: Impossible stole that model, although with the last two films they're starting to veer into Craig-Bond-Continuity-Territory

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3 hours ago, Glasgowchivas said:

 

Mission: Impossible stole that model, although with the last two films they're starting to veer into Craig-Bond-Continuity-Territory

There's only so many times Ethan Hunt/James Bond can go rogue. Sadly MI needs a bit of a rethink too at this point but at least it hasn't got as stodgy as Bond.

 

The Kingsman films are about as close as we've got to old-fashioned Bond. Eccentric sociopath hell-bent on world domination, a can-do hero working for a secret organisation, lots of OTT action and globe-trotting. No going rogue, no ghosts from the past, no angst, just high-octane good-vs-evil entertainment. They're definitely a lot more light-hearted although not straying too far towards total comedy. And importantly they show there's an appetite for this sort of caper. Bond could take it back, make it a touch more serious, mix in the luxury, the exotic locations, the aspiration, but simply make Bond a catalyst.

 

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(Edit: removed the video because the post above beat me to it :P)

 

The murky, inarticulate vocals are about as far from Shirley Bassey/Tom Jones/Tina Turner/Lulu/Gladys Knight/Chris Cornell belting as you can get - but that was to be expected, given what I've heard of Eilish's other music, and isn't inherently a bad thing (I listened to her album a few days ago and quite liked it).

 

The singing and instrumentation do gain energy as it goes on, though even at the crescendo the strings also seem murkier and less lush than they could be. (Which could be appropriate, if it's going to be another underwater-themed opening titles?)

 

And then right at the very end they say, "oh, remember this is a James Bond song?" so they add in THE CHORD. It's quite funny how abruptly that out-of-place guitar strum comes in!

 

Overall: at least it's better than Writing's On The Wall. :mellow:

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The curse of the “cover version (of a decent bond song) by an asthmatic”  strikes again.
 

Goes nowhere, does nothing.

 

its basically the verses of every Craig bond theme, without any of the choruses.

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