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15 minutes ago, Simmy said:

Wow the green screen / CGI looks... atrocious in some scenes? :(

 

Yeah that was my take on it. Far too much poor CGI. Maybe I'm being harsh, I watched Licence to Kill last night and the truck finale still holds up. As in they're actually throwing trucks about. It just looks impressive. Here they can't even be bothered to flip a real 4x4 in some woods. Or fly a real seaplane over some water. 

 

 

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Good trailer. I haven't enjoyed one since Casino Royale, and the trailers are always great, but still hopeful. Elliot from Mr Robot is fucking amazing so hopefully they don't ruin his character like they did with Blofeld in the last one.

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On 15/06/2020 at 17:26, Stopharage said:

My brother-in-law worked on this. The finished version that he saw pre-lockdown is now not going to be the release version.  They've used the intervening period to recut the film. Looking like it's going to be reduced a fair bit. 

 

Hmmm, in two minds about this. Trimming the fat is always welcome of course, but short Bond films are typically just Bond jumping from one set piece action scene to another. The best Bond films are usually those which take the time to properly build up the characters around him, so that you're invested in seeing how all the parts come together. The villain is always such an important part to get right, you always want to see a certain dance between Bond and the main villain play out, where the tension between them builds until the final confrontation.

Basically, I hope this isn't Quantum Of Solace.

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That bomb dropping and the resulting explosion in the skyscraper looks so poor.

 

The tracer bullets in the forest at the end looks brilliant and then that computer car enters and... Oof.

 

That quick cut at about 48 seconds has 3 real people in shot in front of a green screen. Looks worse than Arrested Development series 4.

 

The drone scenes... Yikes.

 

Come on there's been plenty of time to touch this up there's really no excuse. It looks shite.

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On 03/09/2020 at 15:14, Steely said:

Maybe I am getting old, I cant see anything wrong with the CGI. :lol:

 

Bond went full Sean Bean though at 2.08.

 

For a second, I thought they'd brought Bean back!

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I think Craig's Bond has spent more time going rogue and off the grid than he's actually spent doing his sodding job. I hope they nail him at his next appraisal.

 

I have no doubt that his zero chemistry uncomfortably younger love interest, who he suddenly decided was the love of his life in the last 10 minds of Spectre, will be murderised in a half arsed attempt to recapture the end of On Her Majesty's Secret Service.

 

In summary Vesper got ganked in Casino Royale and he was all sad about that during the film after. Then his mother figure got ganked in Skyfalk and he was all sad about that during the film after. I think Craig wins the award for glummest Bond by a country mile.

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6 hours ago, Harsin said:

I think Craig's Bond has spent more time going rogue and off the grid than he's actually spent doing his sodding job.

 

Not as much time as it seems:

 

Casino Royale - Most of the film he's on MI6's mission, except for the Venice action sequence which takes place after he's resigned.

 

Quantum of Solace - He's wanted by the CIA, but M discreetly communicates with him as he escapes. The brief Bourne Supremacy re-enactment at the end counts as him going rogue on a personal mission though.

 

Skyfall - The only time in the film when he's not doing MI6 stuff is the bit between being shot in the pre-title sequence and being brought back in after the MI6 building gets bombed. The drive with M to Scotland is definitely off the grid... but only because he's trying to do his job of protecting M! (And failing.)

 

SPECTRE - Have never rewatched this but IIRC almost all of it takes place after the 00 section is shut down, so yeah, this counts as an example of him going rogue.

 

 

Bond's time going rogue or wanted by his employers is nothing compared to Ethan Hunt, who is a wanted man for almost all of Mission: Impossible, Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation, and for about half of M:I3!

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I think it's more a general sense that he hasn't spent much time just being Bond and doing Bond missions. Pretty much every one of the earlier Bonds was exactly that, at least until License To Kill. With Craig it's all felt like personal this, rogue that, repeated worries over whether or not he's past it, etc. Sure, Skyfall, for example, is mostly him on business, but it's also almost entirely personal. Ironically, Casino Royale is the closest to a traditional Bond, despite how much of a change it felt like at the time. In fact, Mission Impossible feels more like Bond than most of the new Bonds do.

 

Craig's tenure just feels wasted ultimately because they've got so stuck in this rut. I think a modernised, slightly more self-aware version of Bond was all we needed, not this extended exploration of how tough the life of a globetrotting secret agent is.

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This seems to have a lot in common with Die Another Day: it's Craig's final Bond with a crappy title, and brings back Jinx, Miranda and Gustav under different names. Bond's been starved of creativity for so long it's adapted to trace-papering over other people's ideas.

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I think part of the problem is that Bond has the story written around him rather than him being an expendable drone that occasionally stumbles arse backwards into the middle of an international plot of subterfuge and intrigue. It seems in all the Craig movies he can't turn around without bumping into someone with a personal vendetta against him or a long lost relative with an axe to grind. It very much goes against the man-out-of-time theme they all have when the entire universe seems to revolve around him. Bond is at its best when he's being an absolute bum ache for a weirdo billionaire he's just met with designs on world domination, in my opinion. I caught the end of Spectre the other day when he has to thwart the plans of some jumped up civil servant whilst the whole gang does their bit to save the day and I'd forgotten how crap it was. He doesn't even lasso the helicopter to the Tower of London with a special watch or anything, he just shoots it was a tiny gun and it skids onto a bridge. It barely even blows up. The people demand more.

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16 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

I think part of the problem is that Bond has the story written around him rather than him being an expendable drone that occasionally stumbles arse backwards into the middle of an international plot of subterfuge and intrigue. It seems in all the Craig movies he can't turn around without bumping into someone with a personal vendetta against him or a long lost relative with an axe to grind. It very much goes against the man-out-of-time theme they all have when the entire universe seems to revolve around him. Bond is at its best when he's being an absolute bum ache for a weirdo billionaire he's just met with designs on world domination, in my opinion. I caught the end of Spectre the other day when he has to thwart the plans of some jumped up civil servant whilst the whole gang does their bit to save the day and I'd forgotten how crap it was. He doesn't even lasso the helicopter to the Tower of London with a special watch or anything, he just shoots it was a tiny gun and it skids onto a bridge. It barely even blows up. The people demand more.


 

Doesn’t he also blow up the entire base with a gun? 
 

What’s in those bullets!?

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It's strange to think that Craig is now the longest serving Bond. 14 years. Roger Moore spent twelve years as Bond. In that time he was in to my mind at least three great Bond films. Craig has one. Two at a push. He really should have stopped after Spectre.

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Craig might allegedly bellyache about being Bond, but come back to us when you've put a shift in like Roger Moore did in Octopussy. The bloke was about 120 years old at the time, and yet they dress him up like a circus clown, have him scuffle about on top of a moving train in a leather waistcoat, squash him into a paper mache crocodile before chucking him in the Ganges and to add insult to injury, he's made to creakily run about a lot like a mahogany dining chair that's mysteriously come to life. He earned every penny.

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23 hours ago, Harsin said:

Think you mean same people. Purvis and Wade wrote that and this.

 

Oh christ — I thought they were long gone! I'd put Jinx and Miranda down to Waller-Bridge and was expecting rebuffs, though the dinosaur's now fossilised to the point that rejections are logical rather than feminist.

 

21 minutes ago, Art Vandelay said:

come back to us when you've put a shift in like Roger Moore did in Octopussy.

 

Tonally I think it's probably the weirdest Bond, switch-hitting between menace and borderline parody. Moore's great in it, obviously.

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I really think the title could use a comma. No, Time to Die could easily be a Bond quip, but it’s also the attitude of every enemy soldier when asked “Can you survive this fight?”.

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On 07/09/2020 at 16:39, Art Vandelay said:

Bond is at its best when he's being an absolute bum ache for a weirdo billionaire he's just met with designs on world domination, in my opinion.

 

Like a more actiony version of Lt Columbo.

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