Xbox One X

[Stanley]

1 minute ago, MattyP said:

 

It is odd given that Sony are a media company... however what is the take-up on UHD Blu-Ray? I'm guessing everything is going streaming anyway? Can't remember last time a lot of people I know actually bought a physical disk... whether it blu-ray/ DVD etc... Guess Sony just don't see any value in adding UHD Blu-Ray disk drive.. guessing they cost slightly more per unit too.

Sure, but then what is the take up of these Pro consoles? For the PS4 it's something like 1/5, so at this stage it's still selling to the enthusiast market, the type who you'd imagine would be interested in UHD Blu-ray. I wouldn't be surprised if MS end up with a better ratio. I remember last year people were buying the S model purely for UHD Blu-ray, because it was cheaper and better than standalone players.

[PaB]

13 minutes ago, Wahwah* said:

So many determined haters around here. 

 

Whut?

16 minutes ago, MattyP said:

 

It is odd given that Sony are a media company... however what is the take-up on UHD Blu-Ray? I'm guessing everything is going streaming anyway? Can't remember last time a lot of people I know actually bought a physical disk... whether it blu-ray/ DVD etc... Guess Sony just don't see any value in adding UHD Blu-Ray disk drive. They probably cost slightly more per unit too.

It would have been entirely a cost based decision; they had a target price and they wouldn't have met it with a UHD drive.

 

I'm pleased MS didn't follow suit with the One X, because it give me an excuse to justify one.

 

[Harsin]

On 8/21/2017 at 15:21, PC Master Race said:

Who knows these days. Having the best console version of multi platform titles was important but apparently not any more. I guess the same will apply for resolution now. 

 

In summary:

 

 

[Hello Goaty ♥]

23 minutes ago, Wahwah* said:

So many determined haters around here. 

 

 

I'm not getting an Xbox One X 

but not a hater!   I am a cynic. 

 

if the new console was dedicated with its own super games, i would be in.

 

As it stands? quite happy to play Fifa 18 or that new Shadow Of War game on an Xbox one S

 

[Wallace]

Recore enhancements - 

 

 

[Hello Goaty ♥]

See? i am not into gaming for that guff.

[Wallace]

Just now, Hello Goaty ♥ said:

See? i am not into gaming for that guff.

 

I wasn't aiming it specifically at you, sorry. Just posting it as general relevance and interest.

[Superunknown]

So, textures. The One X has an extra 4/5gb of RAM which can be used for high res textures. Are there any good quality videos or images showing the difference between 'typical' current gen console textures and the high res ones found on PC? I'm curious to see what that looks like on my TV as it's one of the main plus points for me (assuming devs actually bestow the high res textures on the X version) as I'm still on a 1080p tv. 

[SeanR]

I have a 2015 4k Sammy. I can only DREAM of 4k hdr...

[Hello Goaty ♥]

1 hour ago, Wallace said:

 

 

 

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I wasn't aiming it specifically at you, sorry. Just posting it as general relevance and interest.

 

Oh don't be silly 

 

Ever since remakes and HDR jazz-ups have arrived, gaming has descended into a circus. That's all!

 

there are some good ones coming or already out like Crash Bandicoot and if they re-do  Red Dead Redemption I suppose. But programmers are wasting their time for easy money.

 

[Yoshimax]

Tomb Raider X v Pro v PC

 

 

[Pug]

3 hours ago, DC07 said:

My Pro is increasingly noisy. Never mind 4k, it's a simple sell if Microsoft get the X as quiet as the rest of the Xbone family.

 

This.

 

My Pro's fan steps up at times though not too intrusive, but I'll be very happy if the X is as silent as the other Xboxes. Reason enough to jump ship for the multi-format titles.

[SeanR]

17 minutes ago, Yoshimax said:

Tomb Raider X v Pro v PC

 

 

 

Quick, pc version, turn tressFX on!

 

Oh, wait...

[footle]

3 hours ago, MattyP said:

 

It is odd given that Sony are a media company... however what is the take-up on UHD Blu-Ray? I'm guessing everything is going streaming anyway? Can't remember last time a lot of people I know actually bought a physical disk... whether it blu-ray/ DVD etc... Guess Sony just don't see any value in adding UHD Blu-Ray disk drive. They probably cost slightly more per unit too.

 

It is, but they don't really throw enough bandwidth at it. netflix is about 15mbps; uhd bluray 60...

[Superunknown]

Streaming's fine, but there's a gulf between BD audio and the audio codecs/bitrate used by Netflix and Amazon. Crystal clear DTS-MA/True Dolby HD versus Dolby Digital+ with the dynamic range crushed out of it 

[Stanley]

Even 1080p streams don't look as good as standard Blu-rays. 

[JPL]

Maybe I've got really good eyes, but I can see a massive improvement with 4K stuff over 1080 on my 55" TV from where I sit about 5m away.

[TehStu]

Yeah, streaming is fine for one-offs, or kids' films, but we buy BRs for the films we care about, and it always stands out how much better it looks/sounds.

 

5m, as in metres? You actually have room for a kinect (I don't, I need another foot or so to give it the proper room).

[JPL]

1 minute ago, TehStu said:

Yeah, streaming is fine for one-offs, or kids' films, but we buy BRs for the films we care about, and it always stands out how much better it looks/sounds.

 

5m, as in metres? You actually have room for a kinect (I don't, I need another foot or so to give it the proper room).

Yeah, my living room is around 5.5m square, so I've got plenty of room. I wouldn't bother with Kinect even if I got one for free though.

[Superunknown]

1 hour ago, Stanley said:

Even 1080p streams don't look as good as standard Blu-rays. 

 

+1

The idea of binning physical media in favour of streaming does not appeal to me one bit.

[amc]

3 hours ago, Yoshimax said:

Tomb Raider X v Pro v PC

 

 

That's like Vaseline mode on the Pro in that vid. I'm playing it now and it's not so soft in 4K (whatever res the high resolution mode up-scales to) I'm not at any points with cut-scenes a la this video but in-game doesn't have that amount of softness. Are they comparing the higher frame-rate or extra shiny mode from the PS4 Pro to the One X in 4k? Looks like, but then I suppose the One X can do those modes plus resolution, just would have been less iffy to use the high resolution mode on Pro to compare. I have one pre-ordered but won't be starting Rise again.  

[Gorf King]

 

1 hour ago, amc said:

That's like Vaseline mode on the Pro in that vid. I'm playing it now and it's not so soft in 4K (whatever res the high resolution mode up-scales to) I'm not at any points with cut-scenes a la this video but in-game doesn't have that amount of softness. Are they comparing the higher frame-rate or extra shiny mode from the PS4 Pro to the One X in 4k? Looks like, but then I suppose the One X can do those modes plus resolution, just would have been less iffy to use the high resolution mode on Pro to compare. I have one pre-ordered but won't be starting Rise again.  

 

There was a more accurate comparison two pages back:

 

10 hours ago, Phil said:

This is the PS4P version compared to the Xbox One X. Apparently the video above is the PS4P outputting 1080p rather than the higher res mode.

 

 

[Sledge]

3 hours ago, Yoshimax said:

Tomb Raider X v Pro v PC

 

 

 

Honestly, who cares? The 2013 game on PS3 looks better than all of them by virtue of being covered in marvellously psychotic levels of blood. Wake me up when one of these new gizmos hosts something even half as interesting as that.

 

5 hours ago, Wahwah* said:

So many determined haters around here. 

 

File me under mildly bemused at the frankly insane levels of scrutiny being applied to practically indistinguishable imagery. Ahh, those old graphics are just super good, what you actually need are super duper good++ graphics because, as an industry, our asset generation costs simply aren't perilously high enough already. Amazing.

[Revival]

To be fair they are already creating those assets if a game has a pc version anyway. Can only be a good thing if a console can take advantage of them.

[Yoshimax]

I think people buying one might care.

[Strafe]

This thread is really taking the fun out of it.

 

Let's think about that Anthem demo running on the X instead. Dreamy.

[5R7]

hope they release those textures for the PC version, was the most lacking part of a great game, as they are making em anyway, gotta hope!

[Kiwi Cake]

6 hours ago, Strafe said:

This thread is really taking the fun out of it.

 

Let's think about that Anthem demo running on the X instead. Dreamy.

 

But that demo looked identical on PS4 - it even almost had the same button prompts!

[jonamok]

I seriously doubt those graphical enhancements over the Bone/PS4 make any real difference to the quality/enjoyment of the gameplay experience. A lot of emperor's new clothes in this mid-gen refresh.

[Mr. Gerbik]

36 minutes ago, jonamok said:

I seriously doubt those graphical enhancements over the Bone/PS4 make any real difference to the quality/enjoyment of the gameplay experience. A lot of emperor's new clothes in this mid-gen refresh.

Dude, that's exactly the point of a mid-gen refresh - better performance and prettier graphics. You decide whether that's worth it. Your complaint completely misses the very obvious reason these optional (note: optional) mid-gen refreshes exist and why people are interested.

 

I think it's a good thing. Remember how fucking creaky the 360 became towards the end of its lifespan because the generation went on for too long? Now you can do something about that besides jumping ship to PC. And since it's completely optional, there's no real downside.

 

If I didn't already have a PC more capable than the 1X (which ain't that remarkable btw) I'd be all over this on day one just for the improved performance. I haven't bothered with the Pro yet because it's barely an upgrade over the vanilla PS4 if you don't have a 4k tv. The 1X seems a lot more capable thankfully, and I'm interested in seeing how it improves BC performance - something that isn't a factor on PS4. I'll probably end up with both once the prices come down tho.