Xbox One X

[SeanR]

24 minutes ago, JPL said:

Fuck that. I'm waiting to get a standard edition.

 

I preordered because I WANT the green text. Am I a bad person?

[Cosmic_Guru]

57 minutes ago, MattyP said:

Out of interest why are existing XBO owners upgrading to this? 

 

I own an XBO and the disc drive is faulty, can't now be bothered to get it repaired.  So I've ordered one of these from the Microsoft store (and just hope they don't resort to Yodel).

 

Unfortunately I don't own a 4K TV so that needs to be organised - I'm looking at a small Samsung from John Lewis since I'm happy with my existing HD Samsung.    I'm curious to see the improvements to games although it's disappointing not to have Crackdown 3 available as a flagship to demonstrate the new power.  

 

I've changed my game buying habits quite a bit too - hardly ever buy small games now unless they are absolutely stunning (all those £8 and £15 tend to add up over a year), but for the big ones such as Witcher 3, Diablo III, Skyrim, FH3 I buy on disc, trade that in quite quickly and re-buy digitally when they go on 50% or more sale so they are always on hand when the itch comes and don't cost as much as initial digital purchase (without any overseas or other discounts applied).  I also buy 360 games when deeply discounted and hope each Tuesday that something I have or want to replay will be included. I'm also intrigued by OXB backward compatibility, so overall it benefits me to stay in this ecosystem.

 

The PS4 is there for Shenmue 3 and the best JRPGs; no need at all to upgrade that.

[SeanR]

6 minutes ago, Cosmic_Guru said:

The PS4 is there for Shenmue 3 and the best JRPGs; no need at all to upgrade that.

 

there's an argument for upgrading to the pro if you have PSVR. I have PSVR, but it's not enough of a reason, imho.

 

(I guess at the time, with the price, it was one of the other, but not both. Here's hoping PS5 (or whatever) has support for VR1.0)

[Stanley]

1 hour ago, MattyP said:

 

Out of interest why are existing XBO owners upgrading to this? 

UHD Blu-ray. I've been looking at standalone players and they're quite pricey. So that and any other 4K content such as on Netflix. Obviously all the games will look nicer too. 

 

Also, it looks lovely. I love the simplicity of it, and you just know it's going to be whisper quiet. Considering the power it's packing, it's a very, very elegant design. 

 

I'd just prefer one without green bits on it 

[SeanR]

1 hour ago, MattyP said:

Out of interest why are existing XBO owners upgrading to this? 

 

because the XBO will start to look long in the tooth, sooner? It needs upgrading.

 

eg:

 

XBOX > PS4pro > PS4/XBOS > XBO

 

and then imagine all my XBOX/XBO/360/XB titles on a single machine, full speed, unfettered, at 4K

[PaB]

1 hour ago, Revival said:

I don't think we're quite at the level of diminishing returns when only one system has the capability to run 4K textures alongside the native resolution.

I've been playing 4K, and similar, games for a while now, and 4K textures or not, once you get to a certain level of fidelity, in any media, then incremental improvments in quality get smaller and smaller.

 

It's silly to say we "aren't the the level of diminishign returns" because we they have existed since telly was invented for picture and sound quality; The jump from 480p to 1080p is much, much larger than the jump from 1080p to 4k, and the jump from 1800p to 4k is even less.

 

Just like the jump from 2 channel stero to 5.1 is much larger than the jump from 5.1 to 7.2

 

Xbox one Xgames will look great in 4 K HDR, and they will look great in 1800p checkerboard HDR. And you will really struggle to see the difference; Diminished returns.

[Petrousgyre]

If you only own a Xbox this gen and are considering buying a One X over a combined PS4+Switch, you've got to really, really like Halo and Forza.

[MattyP]

Just now, petrolgirls said:

If you only own a Xbox this gen and are considering buying a One X over a combined PS4+Switch, you've got to really, really like Halo and Forza.

 

There are all the 3rd party titles that will run smoother and backward compatible games and things will just run smoother. If I was in the market for an XBO this would be a no-brainer TBH. However can't justify it yet myself... also the damn XBO is quite reliable which means I can't even replace a broken unit...  

[Petrousgyre]

Sure, it's a given it'll run stuff great - but having access to the exclusives on those platforms would have to be worth significantly more than higher resolution versions of existing games, at least for me.

[Mr Do 71]

15 minutes ago, petrolgirls said:

If you only own a Xbox this gen and are considering buying a One X over a combined PS4+Switch, you've got to really, really like Halo and Forza.

 

Already got a PS4, and got Zelda on Wii U. Don't need a Switch yet, maybe if they announce a new Animal Crossing.

[Stanley]

18 minutes ago, petrolgirls said:

If you only own a Xbox this gen and are considering buying a One X over a combined PS4+Switch, you've got to really, really like Halo and Forza.

Or you might have absolutely no interest in them. 

[Kevvy Metal]

10 minutes ago, MattyP said:

 

There are all the 3rd party titles that will run smoother and backward compatible games and things will just run smoother. If I was in the market for an XBO this would be a no-brainer TBH. However can't justify it yet myself... also the damn XBO is quite reliable which means I can't even replace a broken unit...  

 

Last year I replaced my totally fine PS4 for a PS4 Pro, I was going to upgrade to a smaller slimmer model expecting a slim version but instead went with the PS4 Pro with it's premium of £100 to get all the benefits. Seemed like a good idea. 

This is a £200 mark up over the Xbox One S - a system I also upgraded to from the old VCR Xbone - and that just totally prices it into the enthusiast category. For the committed Whales  who will cough up £450 for the additions of a UHD drive, 4 Gigs of RAM for better textures and and expensive cooling solution. 

[MattyP]

3 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

Last year I replaced my totally fine PS4 for a PS4 Pro, I was going to upgrade to a smaller slimmer model expecting a slim version but instead went with the PS4 Pro with it's premium of £100 to get all the benefits. Seemed like a good idea. 

This is a £200 mark up over the Xbox One S - a system I also upgraded to from the old VCR Xbone - and that just totally prices it into the enthusiast category. For the committed Whales  who will cough up £450 for the additions of a UHD drive, 4 Gigs of RAM for better textures and and expensive cooling solution. 

 

Ah yes the S does 4K doesn't it? 4K blu-ray... does it have 4K on its video apps too? (netflix, amazon, you-tube etc?)

[Kevvy Metal]

3 minutes ago, MattyP said:

 

Ah yes the S does 4K doesn't it? 4K blu-ray... does it have 4K on its video apps too? (netflix, amazon, you-tube etc?)

 

I do not know, I think it also up-scales from 900p to 2160p too. 

[Stanley]

37 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

I've been playing 4K, and similar, games for a while now, and 4K textures or not, once you get to a certain level of fidelity, in any media, then incremental improvments in quality get smaller and smaller.

 

It's silly to say we "aren't the the level of diminishign returns" because we they have existed since telly was invented for picture and sound quality; The jump from 480p to 1080p is much, much larger than the jump from 1080p to 4k, and the jump from 1800p to 4k is even less.

 

Just like the jump from 2 channel stero to 5.1 is much larger than the jump from 5.1 to 7.2

 

Xbox one Xgames will look great in 4 K HDR, and they will look great in 1800p checkerboard HDR. And you will really struggle to see the difference; Diminished returns.

The perception may not be, but the jump from 1080p to 4k is way bigger than 480 to 1080p, and 8k is bigger again. 

[PaB]

Just now, Stanley said:

The perception may not be, but the jump from 1080p to 4k is way bigger than 480 to 1080p, and 8k is bigger again. 

 

Well  yeah, that's exactly what diminshing returns is in terms of picture quality; ever increasing effort for ever decreasing improvement in percevied fidelity.

[Stanley]

Just now, PeteBrant said:

 

Well  yeah, that's exactly what diminshing returns is in terms of picture quality; ever increasing effort for ever decreasing improvement in percevied fidelity.

But if you actually put them all side by side you'd notice the difference. Native 4K HDR media looks incredible compared to non HDR 1080p. I think it's more impressive than 480-1080p, especially on a bigger TV. 

[Petrousgyre]

20 minutes ago, Stanley said:

 jump from 1080p to 4k is way bigger than 480 to 1080p, and 8k is bigger again. 

 

 Nope. Even if you discount the diminishing returns of resolution and look at the raw numbers - 480p = 307,200 pixels - 1080p = 2,073,600 ie 6.75x more pixels. 4K = 8,294,400 only 4x more pixels than 1080p. 8K is also a 4x increase over 4K.

[macosx]

Forget your green text, proper scorpionized

 

3D Special Metal Finished. Comes with adhesive on the back, just peel and stick.

Adhesive base, suitable for exterior or interior use. The Decal is easy to install, simply peel and apply to the surface.

For car body decoration. Hard Solid Metal.

 

 

 

 

[Petrousgyre]

3 minutes ago, Stanley said:

But if you actually put them all side by side you'd notice the difference. Native 4K HDR media looks incredible compared to non HDR 1080p. I think it's more impressive than 480-1080p, especially on a bigger TV. 

 

Uh-huh.

 

 

[Stanley]

Hmm, I'm obviously taking into account advances in screen technology and size too. For my money 4K HDR today looks way more impressive than the first time I saw 1080p.

[PaB]

8 minutes ago, Stanley said:

But if you actually put them all side by side you'd notice the difference. Native 4K HDR media looks incredible compared to non HDR 1080p. I think it's more impressive than 480-1080p, especially on a bigger TV. 

Nope.

 

480p>1080p larger perception of picture improvment than 1080p>4k despite the latter have many more actual pixels., see Petrogirls explantion above.

 

If you put them side by side the biggest difference would be 480p to 1080p

 

 

EDIT- Oh Petrolgirls done did a picture. That's what I mean

 

And then 1440p or 1800p to 4K will be even less noticeable.

[MattyP]

21 minutes ago, Kevvy Metal said:

 

I do not know, I think it also up-scales from 900p to 2160p too. 

 

From here

 

"4K upscaling

When you set your console resolution to 4K UHD, everything on the console—Home, games, and apps—will display at 4K. 4K content is displayed in its native 4K resolution, and other content (like 1080p content) is upscaled to 4K."

 

So it looks like XBO-S supports 4K video without issue and has a 4K blu-ray player.

[Petrousgyre]

7 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Hmm, I'm obviously taking into account advances in screen technology and size too. For my money 4K HDR today looks way more impressive than the first time I saw 1080p.

 

Much of this is to do with OLEDs - they're inextricably linked with 4K given they came out around the same time, they look great - particularly in bright showrooms, something LCD and Plasma never did. HDR helps a bit too, particularly with games, but if you turn HDR off on a decent OLED it's nothing like the night and day difference on most footage that I've heard some bandy around on the internet. Most folk are coming to this from 5-10 year old awful LCD's - the difference here is largely the panels.

[MattyP]

5 minutes ago, PeteBrant said:

Nope.

 

480p>1080p larger perception of picture improvment than 1080p>4k despite the latter have many more actual pixels., see Petrogirls explantion above.

 

If you put them side by side the biggest difference would be 480p to 1080p

 

 

EDIT- Oh Petrolgirls done did a picture. That's what I mean

 

And then 1440p or 1800p to 4K will be even less noticeable.

 

And it also depends on the size of the screen and the viewing distance... GF has a 43" 4K TV and we sit a bit away from it. Can't see any difference between 1080p and 4K until we move significantly closer. She did buy it though when she was in a smaller place...

[Kevvy Metal]

7 minutes ago, MattyP said:

 

From here

 

"4K upscaling

When you set your console resolution to 4K UHD, everything on the console—Home, games, and apps—will display at 4K. 4K content is displayed in its native 4K resolution, and other content (like 1080p content) is upscaled to 4K."

 

So it looks like XBO-S supports 4K video without issue and has a 4K blu-ray player.

 

...and it's a really good looking console too. 

My set up, has the Xbox One S for Exclusives and BC games, a Nintendo Switch for New Nintendoness and a PS4 Pro for everything else. 

Seems the best solution to me. 

[Stanley]

Yes OLED is what I'm going for. To be honest if I wasn't planning on getting a new TV anyway this year I wouldn't be getting an Xbox One X either, but then I guess all these companies kind of plan it that way. 

 

I still think it was a big mistake for Sony not to include UHD Blu-ray playback. I would have thought anyone getting one of these new TVs would want as much content as they can get to enjoy it properly. Definitely made me choose the X.

[footle]

4 minutes ago, petrolgirls said:

but if you turn HDR off on a decent OLED it's nothing like the night and day difference on most footage

 

Sure (though there is a benefit from the wider colour gamut). What I haven't been able to work out is whether the relative lack of difference is due to the limited relative brightness of OLED compared to the HDR Premium spec and/or the specific choice of colour map the makers have chosen.

 

Zelda looks great (not HDR). The opening to Hellborne looks great (not HDR). Resogun (which supports HDR) looks great...

 

It's hard to argue though that the HDR captured Forza 7 footage didn't look substantially better, and different, from the 1080p footage without HDR captured at the same event, on the same TV.

 

[MattyP]

5 minutes ago, Stanley said:

I still think it was a big mistake for Sony not to include UHD Blu-ray playback. I would have thought anyone getting one of these new TVs would want as much content as they can get to enjoy it properly. Definitely made me choose the X.

 

It is odd given that Sony are a media company... however what is the take-up on UHD Blu-Ray? I'm guessing everything is going streaming anyway? Can't remember last time a lot of people I know actually bought a physical disk... whether it blu-ray/ DVD etc... Guess Sony just don't see any value in adding UHD Blu-Ray disk drive. They probably cost slightly more per unit too.

[Transient Curse]

So many determined haters around here.