Star Wars: The Last Jedi

[SeanR]

2 hours ago, Mr. Gerbik said:

El señor Jedi es muy malo!

 

[whizzo]

On ‎29‎/‎01‎/‎2017 at 10:50, buizel said:

 

Ha.

 

Seriousely though what do people think of Daisy Ridley going "Is that sn..." before being suddenly and sharply interrupted by JJ, when an audience member asked if Darth Plageius was gunna be in it...

 

I watched the clip like 5 times and it really lends itself to that theory of Plageuis/Snoke, but then JJ denies it (though he's been known to straight up lie before so..) immediately after joking about.

Its not so much that I don't think its plageous as  I hope with all of my being that its not.

 

The Prequels do not exist.

[Hanzo the Razor]

Watched TFA last night.  The title of Epsiode VIII is used twice during the film.  It's in the title crawl and Snoke describes Luke as "The last Jedi".

[Matt Defis]

I really hope they go into the Old Republic, there's loads of source material there to pull from, Bane or Revan could be done really well with Bane being the most interesting. Making the main role a Sith and not someone who's fallen to the dark but starting out there and showing a story from that side would be a nice change.

[buizel]

21 hours ago, whizzo said:

Its not so much that I don't think its plageous as  I hope with all of my being that its not.

 

The Prequels do not exist.

 

For me they have alot of nostalgia for me, I saw Phantom Menace in cinemas when I was 8 and by that point had seen the OT many many many times. My younger brain would have enjoyed the films alot more because mindless action and lightsabers, but I can enjoy (parts of)TPM and Revenge of the Sith. I find the action scenes mind numbing and boring if its not the Sith fight scene or the one at the end of TPM. The flaws are alot more obvious to me now and I cant un-see the poor CGI in the sitting and talking scenes.

 

I can sit down and analyse films till the cows come home, and there is a part of your brain that has to be shut off to watch the prequels (I really dislike Clones) and enjoy them, and that's not (possible) for some people. They lack character development, heart and a coherent plot, but I can still enjoy them for being Star Wars and having Star Wars stuff. Just as I can enjoy awful tripe like Transformers 2 for the mindless robot eye-gouging, and indeed get excited by all the OT references and callbacks in TFA even though theyre manufactured to elicit that emotion and nostalgia.

 

Anyway, I haven't read any of the books to learn about who Darth Plagueis is outside of when Palpatine was talking about him to Anakin.

[Boothjan]

I've just got the Darth Plagueis novel - my mate lent it to me yesterday so I'm looking forward to finding out more about him and how Palpatine became such a shit.

 

I suppose I'll then be able to say if I hope he's in any way connected to the new stories or not!

[buizel]

9 minutes ago, Boothjan said:

I've just got the Darth Plagueis novel - my mate lent it to me yesterday so I'm looking forward to finding out more about him and how Palpatine became such a shit.

 

I suppose I'll then be able to say if I hope he's in any way connected to the new stories or not!

 

Isn't all that stuff non-canon though?

 

I'm not sure how much reading material is in the current canon, I know theres a trilogy called Life Debt or something. I just recently found the first Star Wars book at a charity shop, with Artoo and Threepio, and Luke's infatuatuion with Leia.

[Boothjan]

1 minute ago, buizel said:

 

Isn't all that stuff non-canon though?

 

I'm not sure how much reading material is in the current canon, I know theres a trilogy called Life Debt or something. I just recently found the first Star Wars book at a charity shop, with Artoo and Threepio, and Luke's infatuatuion with Leia.

 

Yes apparently - I asked this in the book thread on here as I wasn't sure!!

 

I find the new canon/old canon stuff very confusing - there's no need to disregard anything that takes place before the prequels, surely?  I can understand between eps III - IV because of Rogue One, Rebels etc.

[Glasgowchivas]

5 minutes ago, buizel said:

 

Isn't all that stuff non-canon though?

 

I'm not sure how much reading material is in the current canon, I know theres a trilogy called Life Debt or something. I just recently found the first Star Wars book at a charity shop, with Artoo and Threepio, and Luke's infatuatuion with Leia.

 

Anything branded as "Legends" is now considered non-canon...

BUT that doesn't mean it won't be repurposed and utilised in the future. See Grand Admiral Thrawn becoming Admiral Thrawn in 'Rebels' and Woody Harrelson being cast as a character from the old Han Solo novels in the upcoming spin off movie.

[Darren]

As I said in the books thread, Disney seem to be treating the old "Extended Universe", which they've now rebranded as Legends, in the same way that Marvel films treat the comics, i.e. non-canon source material that they can re-use, and change to fit, in the films and new canon books. There's a quote from someone at Lucasfilm I think, saying something like, "Just because they're legends, doesn't mean they didn't happen." So anything in the old books might end up in the new canon but probably not exactly the same.

 

I'd say if you're reading a book like Darth Plagueis then go into it with that mindset, this isn't a historical record but a particular telling of a legendary story from the past of the universe, which is probably wrong in many details but might still contain a grain of "truth", while still being entertaining of course.

 

That's if you care about the canon, of course. If not and you just want to read Star Wars stories then fill your boots!

[Professor Puzzles]

Was the emperor a Darth? Darth Sidious, was he?

[Darren]

Yes, but he kept it quiet.

[Boothjan]

Hell of a shock when he finally revealed his secret in ROTS. 

[Darren]

I meant he kept it quiet after that. The Jedi found out but only immediately before he got rid of them. Most of the Empire have no idea he's a Sith. Remember Tarkin says to Vader, "You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion."

[buizel]

1 hour ago, Darren said:

I meant he kept it quiet after that. The Jedi found out but only immediately before he got rid of them. Most of the Empire have no idea he's a Sith. Remember Tarkin says to Vader, "You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion."

 

With a franchise as huge as Star Wars it's not not to dissect every line and look out for contradictions - which the Star Wars universe is plentiful of. I maintain to this day that almost everything they put out now is a response to the contradictions people are pointing out.

 

Like the whole Death Star exhaust "plothole" in Rogue One. The reason I put it in air-quotes is because in A New Hope they mention if they can shoot down the exhaust vent they can blow the whole thing up. So we didn't need to know Erso purposely put in a flaw in the Death Star, because they explained why it would blow up iin A New Hope (even if its somewhat flimsy, it makes more sense because now theres the contradiction as no-one talks about the purposely-built flaw in ANH).

 

Creates more questions than answers, answers that we'll get

every

year

until

we're dead

[Nick R]

41 minutes ago, buizel said:

With a franchise as huge as Star Wars it's not not to dissect every line and look out for contradictions - which the Star Wars universe is plentiful of. I maintain to this day that almost everything they put out now is a response to the contradictions people are pointing out.

 

You could say the series has been doing that since (at least) "From a certain point of view."

[buizel]

12 minutes ago, Nick R said:

 

You could say the series has been doing that since (at least) "From a certain point of view."

 

Yup, totally. I wonder if they'll adress Luke hitting on Leia and vice versa for 2 movies, have CGI Leia pop in and be like "err sorry for hitting on u mate" and then flies back to her home plane - oh.

[Darren]

Absolutely, despite all his later protestations, Lucas totally made it all up as he went along. He might have had some fag packet backstory sketched out for the Jedi, Sith and the rise of the Empire, but he didn't have anything planned for a sequel, never mind a trilogy, when he made Star Wars.

[buizel]

1 minute ago, Darren said:

Absolutely, despite all his later protestations, Lucas totally made it all up as he went along. He might have had some fag packet backstory sketched out for the Jedi, Sith and the rise of the Empire, but he didn't have anything planned for a sequel, never mind a trilogy, when he made Star Wars.

 

Watching the documentary about the original Star Wars is aweosme, seeing all the fans going about in the 70s with people petting R2D2 and makes me wish I was around with the release of the original film. As many documentaries and things I watch from that era I just can't wrap my head around how it would have felt.

 

I wonder if the success and weight of the original film was too much for Lucas and kinda destroyed him. Who knows. Does he have an autobiography, what would he call it? I have a bad feeling about this. George wrote first. Don't Sith on my droids - A George Lucas autobiography

[Nick R]

Rear Windu: The George Lucas Story

[Matt Defis]

Asohka says at the end of series 2 of Rebels "there's always a bit of truth to old legends"

[buizel]

2 hours ago, Matt Defis said:

Asohka says at the end of series 2 of Rebels "there's always a bit of truth to old legends"

 

I watched most of Season 1 of that show, kinda when I was really bored - I think the shows pretty crap tbh.

 

I watched maybe 1 episode of Season 2 and I noticed how nicer it looks, the landscape shots and the way the effects and stuff add to the shot. The cinematography I guess is alot nicer, but I still feel the characters are too cartoony to take seriously, and the more they plunge into the Legends the further it takes Star Wars away from its roots. And thats somethings that is just gunna get worse.

 

Also in Rebels when Ahsoka turned up early on - I never saw Clone Wars cartoon so I had no idea who she was, and was confused why she suddenly turned up and they all started taking orders to her and treating her like a best friend they always knew right from the start, and why so much focus was given to her. Do the Rebels know her from beforehand? It seems like they didn't so thats kinda weird.

 

Anyway I really want to like Rebels, I wanted to get into Clone Wars but those "IN A GALAXY TORN BY WAAAAAAR" intro immediately put me off, but I wouldnt mind seeing Anakin and stuff more. I think Obi Wans voice sounded real retarded tho, like a parody of himself. Sounds ALOT like the Revenge of the Sith Chinese Sub-Dub Obi-Wan.

[macosx]

Jar Jar Land

[Distinct muttering]

8 minutes ago, macosx said:

Jar Jar Land

Yeah let's go back to the name puns.

[buizel]

2 minutes ago, Hean Dog said:

Yeah let's go back to the name puns.

 

A New Dope

The Hempire Strikes Back

Return of the Red-Eye

 

[macosx]

Han's Labyrinth

[SeanR]

52 minutes ago, Hean Dog said:

Yeah let's go back to the name puns.

Ok!

[Matt Defis]

9 hours ago, buizel said:

 

I watched most of Season 1 of that show, kinda when I was really bored - I think the shows pretty crap tbh.

 

I watched maybe 1 episode of Season 2 and I noticed how nicer it looks, the landscape shots and the way the effects and stuff add to the shot. The cinematography I guess is alot nicer, but I still feel the characters are too cartoony to take seriously, and the more they plunge into the Legends the further it takes Star Wars away from its roots. And thats somethings that is just gunna get worse.

 

Also in Rebels when Ahsoka turned up early on - I never saw Clone Wars cartoon so I had no idea who she was, and was confused why she suddenly turned up and they all started taking orders to her and treating her like a best friend they always knew right from the start, and why so much focus was given to her. Do the Rebels know her from beforehand? It seems like they didn't so thats kinda weird.

 

Anyway I really want to like Rebels, I wanted to get into Clone Wars but those "IN A GALAXY TORN BY WAAAAAAR" intro immediately put me off, but I wouldnt mind seeing Anakin and stuff more. I think Obi Wans voice sounded real retarded tho, like a parody of himself. Sounds ALOT like the Revenge of the Sith Chinese Sub-Dub Obi-Wan.

 

Clone Wars takes about a season to start hitting it's stride and there are some really awesome stories in there and it gets better and better and a lot darker later on apart from the odd duff episode or arc here and there. The big reveal of Ahsoka in Rebels won't have any impact unless you've watched Clone Wars and see how it ends between her and the Jedi and like Clone wars, Rebels really picks up in season 2 and that series ends spectacularly, Series 3 of Rebels has been slow so far and more character driven but feels like it's building up to something big with Thrawn constantly hanging over them all.

[Boothjan]

1 hour ago, Matt Defis said:

 

Clone Wars takes about a season to start hitting it's stride and there are some really awesome stories in there and it gets better and better and a lot darker later on apart from the odd duff episode or arc here and there. The big reveal of Ahsoka in Rebels won't have any impact unless you've watched Clone Wars and see how it ends between her and the Jedi and like Clone wars, Rebels really picks up in season 2 and that series ends spectacularly, Series 3 of Rebels has been slow so far and more character driven but feels like it's building up to something big with Thrawn constantly hanging over them all.

 

Agree with all of this.

 

Clone Wars has a lot of mini story arcs that run over 2 or 3 episodes.  Some of them are absolutely superb (such as Savage Opress on Dathomir) whereas some are shite (Mon Calamari).  I'd say it's worth sticking with - more often than not you can probably skip the shitty ones because nothing happens in them that you really need to know about.

 

And yeah, the end of Rebels Season 2 is phenomenal.  I really hope the end of this season is worth it because it's been a bit of a slog getting through it.

[Clipper]

On 27/01/2017 at 14:22, Don Wiskerando said:

I'm looking forward to Episode 1 & 2 getting made someday, set before the excellent Episode 3: Rogue One.

I'd like to see a film or two exploring the character of Vader, how he came about and what caused him to turn to the darkside.

 

Plenty of mythology to be explored there.