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I thought the storm troopers were robots as a kid, and even now I have to remind myself that they are not.

 

It blew my mind at the end of ROTJ, that when Luke took Vader's helmet off there was a dude under there because I thought he was a robot too. (My local video store didn't have a copy of ESB so I missed the whole Vader being Luke's dad thing, and to be fair I had a fairly tenuous understanding of the human reproductive system back then.) 

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43 minutes ago, JPickford said:

I think a U certificate shows it was intended for kids.

 

Hmm, Watership Down disagrees :P

 

Surely it's a family film? Like Gremlins or Home Alone (rated 15 and PG respectively).

 

At some point Lucas realised he could make shit tonnes of money and made RotJ some toy-pushing, overtly kid-friendly movie. SW has kinda followed that trend ever since.

 

Look at the representation from Forces of Destiny (pre-school show), Star Wars Rebels (primary school kids show) and how much of it is marketed to kids. I'd still say it's a "family film" - so it's intended for kids primarily, with adults can come too and hopefully not be too bored.

 

That said I thought the new film was pretty fun. The best thing about it was the visuals - beautifully directed shots throughout. The need for all these characters and plotlines to be shoved in made it a bit disconnected for me - it just seemed to be F.O chasing Resistance back and forth, which is basically what every SW movie is about. So much happens but nothing really happens. I wonder how JJ will take the relationship between Kylro & Rey going forward since it seemed to be leading up to something in this movie but it gets dropped pretty hard.

 

Also, everyone saying this new film will be a retread of ESB - it totally is. Also my eyes kept rolling everytime someone tried to shove in the word "Hope" into a sentence. My eyes hurt.

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8 minutes ago, buizel said:

Also, everyone saying this new film will be a retread of ESB - it totally is. 

 

With lots of ANH RotJ too.

 

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Most obs was Rey watching the Rebels being destroyed in Snoke's throne room and all that scene. Finn attacking the mini Death Star, turning off his headset like Luke did. You could probably do a really boring list if we haven't already to suck any last bit of joy out of it...

 

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26 minutes ago, SpagMasterSwift said:

 

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You could probably do a really boring list if we haven't already to suck any last bit of joy out of it...

 

 

I'm looking forward to someone making a supercut montage of all the times we see a character waking up in The Last Jedi.

 

By my count, from memory:

 

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Paige Tico (in the bomber)

Finn

Rey (more than once on the island)

Kylo Ren (in the flashback when awoken by Luke)

Kylo Ren (after he's knocked out in the throne room)

DJ (in the prison cell)

Leia

Rose (briefly regaining consciousness after her crash to save Finn)

 

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5 hours ago, Pelekophoros said:

 

"Ooh, ooh, I don't know how to argue back with a stance that takes a small statement and takes it all the way to an illogical extreme in order to counter point it. What will I do?"

 

Is not what I thought. 

 

No, what you posted felt like it was reducible to "if you don't like it, it's because you are an entitled nerd/you don't get it".

 

RJ's script and plotting choices are plenty poor enough that you don't need to be a scholar of Star Wars to see the horrible holes. Its many failings are detailed articulately and at length upthread. As are its pluses. No need to have a pop at SW fans.

 

For the record, I enjoyed it. But it fails in several important areas. That's okay. We don't all have to love it, or think it's the best ever SW film. Or see its wickedly witty, layered analysis of its paying audience. I'm glad that reading is evident and delightful to you. But it only made for an okay film for lots of us.

 

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I've never considered the OT to be specifically aimed at kids. They're adventure/fantasy films that are for everyone, all ages really which is why they're so popular. 

The only one that felt aimed far more specifically at a younger demograph was The Phantom Menace, and even that had a lot of political mumbo-jumbo in it. 

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17 minutes ago, jonamok said:

 

No, what you posted felt like it was reducible to "if you don't like it, it's because you are an entitled nerd/you don't get it".

 

RJ's script and plotting choices are plenty poor enough that you don't need to be a scholar of Star Wars to see the horrible holes. Its many failings are detailed articulately and at length upthread. As are its pluses. No need to have a pop at SW fans.

 

 

I was responding specifically to a point about how lazy the whole film was and actually agreeing with the post I quoted. I wasn't having a pop at anybody at all, and you're out of order accusing me of doing that, especially now I've addressed the point in more depth in subsequent posts.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, Pelekophoros said:

 

 

I was responding specifically to a point about how lazy the whole film was and actually agreeing with the post I quoted. I wasn't having a pop at anybody at all, and you're out of order accusing me of doing that, especially now I've addressed the point in more depth in subsequent posts.

 

 

 

If I've misinterpreted your point then you have my apologies. There's so much bollocks mixed in with the sensible opinions in this thread it's hard to keep up.

 

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Only just got around to seeing it.

 

I left with mixed feelings.. absolutely loved parts but others annoyed me. Felt Force Awakens was a better film overal.. Think I missed Reys wide eyed wonder at it all and Han's quips too much.

 

As for people arguing that Star Wars aren't intended as family/kids films... erm okay :unsure:

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2 hours ago, Harsin said:

George Lucas explicitly set out to create his own Disney kids movie as he felt that they'd been leaving their market to go fallow in the 70s. He even went down to the level of working out the average of how much Disney movies made versus production costs and figured he could make a pretty sum. All his contemporaries in the 'New Hollywood' of the 70s (with the notable exception of Steven Spielberg) thought he was crackers wasting his time on a wacky children's movie.

 

He was canny enough to keep hold of all the toy rights as well, which made him way more money than the films ever did.

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Well, just got back from seeing it and I did enjoy it very much. I found there were bits were I was genuinely laughing out loud, and there were some really great moments of emotion from all sides. 

 

I thought the way they did Luke was actually pretty fantastic too.

 

I did think there were some really interesting parallels to Rogue One in there as well, which suggests I probably should rewatch the thing again (only seen it once when it originally came out).

 

So it all felt fairly Star-Wars-y to me.

 

That all said, the story was fucking awful.

 



Like most folks, I could have done without the whole Casino thing altogether - it really felt like someone somewhere was being blackmailed by Lucas into cramming it in because...well...kids love the monsters and bright shiny things.

 

But like other people have said, that bit was made worse by the fact that everything to do with Finn and Rose was completely and utterly pointless and only there to get the gang back together. Just a really poorly worked out sequence - and whilst you could never say the story in any of the films is high brow, at the very least there's much more logic how you split up your characters, see them develop and then get them back together.

 

I also really didn't like how no-one in the resistance thought it would be nice to tell everyone what the plan was after Laura Dern came into it...that was just odd

 

But I did enjoy the thing! It's got a lot of really decent stuff going on in it, and I think it's set up the final film rather well. And then we can move on with things :D 

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1 hour ago, JPickford said:

Yes of course they are family films.  This is a reaction to someone saying they are not for kids.  They are absolutely made for kids (and everyone else).

 

As I said before, what I was really trying to say was that it is for adults too. There are not made only to be enjoyed by kids in my opinion. There are complex themes in the movies that children can't easily grasp and adults can relate much better. 

 

People are so on edge here, damn. 

 

 

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51 minutes ago, JoeK said:

Well, just got back from seeing it and I did enjoy it very much. I found there were bits were I was genuinely laughing out loud, and there were some really great moments of emotion from all sides. 

 

I thought the way they did Luke was actually pretty fantastic too.

 

I did think there were some really interesting parallels to Rogue One in there as well, which suggests I probably should rewatch the thing again (only seen it once when it originally came out).

 

So it all felt fairly Star-Wars-y to me.

 

That all said, the story was fucking awful.

 

 

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Like most folks, I could have done without the whole Casino thing altogether - it really felt like someone somewhere was being blackmailed by Lucas into cramming it in because...well...kids love the monsters and bright shiny things.

 

But like other people have said, that bit was made worse by the fact that everything to do with Finn and Rose was completely and utterly pointless and only there to get the gang back together. Just a really poorly worked out sequence - and whilst you could never say the story in any of the films is high brow, at the very least there's much more logic how you split up your characters, see them develop and then get them back together.

 

I also really didn't like how no-one in the resistance thought it would be nice to tell everyone what the plan was after Laura Dern came into it...that was just odd

 

 

 

But I did enjoy the thing! It's got a lot of really decent stuff going on in it, and I think it's set up the final film rather well. And then we can move on with things :D 

 

Also, 

 

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Not as good as Witcher 3. :P

 

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So I loved this movie. Really loved it. In a totally different way than I loved The Force Awakens. I think this is a better movie. The 'backlash' it has caused makes me loose hope that there is anything to safe on the Internet 

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4 minutes ago, scottcr said:

You’d be surprised how well kids can grasp those themes... like you did when you were wee

 

Probably. But then I was jumping around wooshing with a stick and breaking the bed instead of contemplating the light and the dark of the human psyche as well as the constant need and struggle for balance between them. 

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the shirtless kylo scene conveys a story telling message in a very subtle way rather than having to explain the midichlorians out of everything. without actually stating the fact that they can see each other in full (including surroundings). it also builds sexual tension between the characters. which actually works for a change with their acting. it is a fucking brilliant idea. and better than a prolonged conversation about sand in your balls. 

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5 minutes ago, Talk Show Host said:

 

Probably. But then I was jumping around wooshing with a stick and breaking the bed instead of contemplating the light and the dark of the human psyche as well as the constant need and struggle for balance between them. 

by whooshing do you mean going pew pew. if not, you were doing star wars sound effects wrong. :D

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