Nathan Wind Report post Posted November 19, 2018 It's largely narcobusiness as usual but I'm yet to be convinced by Michael Pena in the lead role after the first couple of episodes. Early days though - I expect it'll pep up as the character and story develop. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteBrant Report post Posted November 19, 2018 I watched 5 eopisodes of this over the weekend. And whilst I am enjoying it, it does have an enourmous sense of deja vu. Maybe its the subject matter that means this is unavoidable, but all the tropes are in there eg being certain of a operation being at a certain location, only to find it being seemingly innocent when you convince the police to help you bust it, leading to conflict with the local police, or second in command being a loose cannon, Still a good watch though, but I don't think they will ever top 1 or 3. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peter Report post Posted November 19, 2018 Is season 3 a stand alone story line with all new characters and actors like season 4 is? I watched season 1 when it came out but never continued with season 2. I'd rather jump directly into season 3 if it's a new story. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kerraig UK Report post Posted November 19, 2018 9 minutes ago, Peter said: Is season 3 a stand alone story line with all new characters and actors like season 4 is? I watched season 1 when it came out but never continued with season 2. I'd rather jump directly into season 3 if it's a new story. Season 2 was pretty rubbish to be honest. You don't miss anything by skipping to S3. 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minion Report post Posted November 19, 2018 I've enjoyed it, it does come with the standard tropes but it has enough colourful characters and exciting set pieces to be entertaining. I'm 7 episodes in. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NickC Report post Posted November 19, 2018 46 minutes ago, kerraig UK said: Season 2 was pretty rubbish to be honest. You don't miss anything by skipping to S3. Apart from learning how the whole Escobar thing - i.e. the plot of the first season - pans out, you miss nothing, no. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PeteBrant Report post Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, kerraig UK said: Season 2 was pretty rubbish to be honest. You don't miss anything by skipping to S3. I think season 2 is worth watching, it’s not as good but If series 1 is the rise , series 2 is the fall . You need both for the whole story . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ScouserInExile Report post Posted November 20, 2018 Only two episodes in to season 4 and I'm gripped already. This may be a slow binge watch (an episode a night). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gotters Report post Posted November 21, 2018 I'm 3 episodes in, have to choose when I watch is as can't always be bothered with the subs Its well made but does feel quite generic now, I suspect the problem is the source material as the drug tales do all seem to take similar paths and be presented in similar ways (start small, get rich, do mad shit, women simper in background and get 2 lines to say, shoot each other, police catch up and make arrests). I think what made this so good originally was the Escobar tale, he elevates it beyond the traditional story (and the performance was great too). Watchable enough and enjoyable. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Popo Report post Posted November 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Gotters said: I think what made this so good originally was the Escobar tale, he elevates it beyond the traditional story (and the performance was great too). You said it. Contrary to other opinions I also enjoyed the second season, everything about the character and his portrayal was terrifying. You can taste the fear and respect in the air, every time he’s on screen. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerFarmer Report post Posted November 22, 2018 I finished watching this last night. I still find it completely gripping even if it's not really different from what we've already seen, and even if the two lead characters (Felix and Kiki - both good cat names) weren't as interesting as their counterparts in previous seasons. The overall quality of script, acting etc is just exceptional, and I've always liked the way it ties the personal stories into the internationl political situation (although here it would've been good to have more insight into Mexican government corruption, but I guess that info isn't easy to come by). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Minion Report post Posted November 22, 2018 Yeah I really enjoyed this series it was great! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ckny Report post Posted November 22, 2018 Don Neto in episode 4 was hilarious. Really enjoying this so far. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerFarmer Report post Posted November 23, 2018 Don Neto is great. Probably the best character in this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gotters Report post Posted November 24, 2018 I’ve got 2 to go and found myself getting into it more and more as it went in gonna spoiler this bit (occurs in ep5) Spoiler I hadn’t realised the timelines weren’t sequential, thought this picked up where season 3 left off - very pleasantly surprised by the Columbian cartel top brass on both sides Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnC Report post Posted November 24, 2018 Who is the short bald tough guy on the DEA side? Only really appears a few times and it's bugging me trying to remember where I've seen him before. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BadgerFarmer Report post Posted November 24, 2018 Yeah, same here. I checked IMDB but couldn't see him in the cast list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnC Report post Posted November 24, 2018 Finally got it. Its only Jackie Earle Haley! Watchmen (mostly in a mask), The Tick (in heavy makeup) and Preacher. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miner Willy Report post Posted November 29, 2018 Just finished it. Probably the leads aren't as strong as in earlier series, but overall I thought it was pretty great. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Sacamano Report post Posted November 30, 2018 Finished season 4 and not sure what I think, it seems to sell the violence and general nastiness of the cartel very short, the worst people by far are cops and politicians in this, with the criminals portrayed as roguish scamps who stumbled into positions of great wealth and power. Also the very late change to Felix seems completely unearned. Its good viewing and slickly made still but I’ve come away disappointed, hopefully season 2 (of Mexico) willmake me change my mind. Escobars tiny cameo stole the show and reminded me who amazing that performance was in the first two seasons, such presence on screen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnC Report post Posted November 30, 2018 Did the cartel have the current nastiness back then? I thought maybe that delivery scene near the end was the start of them travelling down that path, with it going further over the presumed next season.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miner Willy Report post Posted November 30, 2018 That was my interpretation too. I understood the violence progressed via revenge escalation down the years, where each new low becomes the new normal, then to be surpassed in the next act. That's how it's portrayed in the book, Chasing the Scream, anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sirloin Report post Posted December 1, 2018 It was after the current iteration of the cartel in the current series when it started getting really bad. Once the Zetas/Nueva Gente/La Familia got going. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nathan Wind Report post Posted December 1, 2018 I enjoyed it once it got going but it did feel like the foundation of something much bigger and nastier, so it very much makes sense that they branded it as a different series. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Pibe Report post Posted January 24 Watching this at the moment. It's good but agree with everyone else that the leads aren't as strong as previous seasons. Episode 7 The attack on the 2 Americans was really unpleasant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Oh Danny Boy Report post Posted February 12 Loved this just like every other series. Felix I thought was almost too nice to be a Cartel boss until his darker side came to the fore in that final act. I did expect Kiki’s death to be much more violent, didn’t the real Kiki get partially skinned alive and then killed by a drill to the skull? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
El Pibe Report post Posted February 12 Totally in this by the end and looking forward to the next season. Don Neto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites