Nintendo Switch

[Strafe]

3 hours ago, Starbreaker said:

My depression has been hitting me like a dump truck this week so I decided to make a little impulse purchase. 

 

Never owned a Nintendo, never played a Zelda (barring about 5 minutes of OoT). Going in completely cold. 

 

 

I was having a shitter of a time earlier this year with Work (or lack of it) and a lot of worries and so forth. I can say that Zelda was a great tonic for all that. Enjoy!

[Sarlaccfood]

2 hours ago, Pockets said:

Okay, this is a pointless post as I know none of you agree, but for the sake of sharing an opinion, can I be the mildly dissenting voice for a moment?

 

I've noticed over the last month or so that this thread is full of people stating their wishes for re-releases of one game or another. I'm one too, I want 3D World. But it's not really exciting to be wishing for games that are years old is it? A sequel, sure. But re-hashed versions of Skyrim or watered down versions of things like Doom that are lauded because they're suddenly portable? 

 

I dunno, a lot of that is just me and I don't want to piss on any parades just because I don't care for it, that stuff all has its place and I suppose it helps the system sell in various ways. For me though, the only exciting thing on the horizon is Metroid 4 and now Bayonetta 3. Possibly that Octopath thing too. I don't mean that as a criticism, I'm fine with it, that's enough for me, but all this OMG SWITCH IS THE BEST! stuff because it's got a re-release of some old game coming out just confuses me.

 

Onto the games then. Zelda is the amazing game you all led me to believe it was. I'd argue it's kind of a Wii U port but I'm aware that's a bit facetious too so whatever. Having finished Mario and been keen to see what all the post game stuff was, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. I just don't really have a huge desire to keep playing. It's great, but I much preferred 3D World. Again, though, I know I'm in the minority in preferring the tighter levels to the open world Marios. Splatoon is decent fun but I just don't get it enough to understand the praise it gets here. It's good but I'm not seeing the love really. Then there's Mario Kart 8 which is amazing, but again, was on the Wii U.

 

I know the system is less than a year old and has done amazingly well. I know people love its features even if I don't use them and I know there's lots of great stuff to come, but the Wii U is still better right now for me. That had 3D World, Tropical Freeze, 101, Bayo 2, Zelda (eventually) and a few others. Admittedly, only a few others but I'd argue the best of what's on Switch was started on the Wii U (Zelda/Mario Kart).

 

I don't want to sound like I'm slagging anything off, I like my Switch just fine, but I'm just a bit confused by what I read in here sometimes. The console's great and it's got some great games already, I'm just not quite where some of you are with it I suppose.

 

Just thought I'd share that as a slightly different opinion on it really. It will be great if we eventually have all that stuff in one place and it's great to have Zelda and Mario Kart on the system but its only AAA original release is Odyssey which, whilst great, isn't that great in my apparently unique in the world opinion.

 

What are you so mystified about? If you don't like the games (you've missed out stuff like ARMS and Xenoblade mind) you probably won't like the console as much as others that do. 

 

And that's okay. Maybe it's just not for you 

[Stanley]

2 hours ago, Pockets said:

Okay, this is a pointless post as I know none of you agree, but for the sake of sharing an opinion, can I be the mildly dissenting voice for a moment?

 

I've noticed over the last month or so that this thread is full of people stating their wishes for re-releases of one game or another. I'm one too, I want 3D World. But it's not really exciting to be wishing for games that are years old is it? A sequel, sure. But re-hashed versions of Skyrim or watered down versions of things like Doom that are lauded because they're suddenly portable? 

 

I dunno, a lot of that is just me and I don't want to piss on any parades just because I don't care for it, that stuff all has its place and I suppose it helps the system sell in various ways. For me though, the only exciting thing on the horizon is Metroid 4 and now Bayonetta 3. Possibly that Octopath thing too. I don't mean that as a criticism, I'm fine with it, that's enough for me, but all this OMG SWITCH IS THE BEST! stuff because it's got a re-release of some old game coming out just confuses me.

 

Onto the games then. Zelda is the amazing game you all led me to believe it was. I'd argue it's kind of a Wii U port but I'm aware that's a bit facetious too so whatever. Having finished Mario and been keen to see what all the post game stuff was, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. I just don't really have a huge desire to keep playing. It's great, but I much preferred 3D World. Again, though, I know I'm in the minority in preferring the tighter levels to the open world Marios. Splatoon is decent fun but I just don't get it enough to understand the praise it gets here. It's good but I'm not seeing the love really. Then there's Mario Kart 8 which is amazing, but again, was on the Wii U.

 

I know the system is less than a year old and has done amazingly well. I know people love its features even if I don't use them and I know there's lots of great stuff to come, but the Wii U is still better right now for me. That had 3D World, Tropical Freeze, 101, Bayo 2, Zelda (eventually) and a few others. Admittedly, only a few others but I'd argue the best of what's on Switch was started on the Wii U (Zelda/Mario Kart).

 

I don't want to sound like I'm slagging anything off, I like my Switch just fine, but I'm just a bit confused by what I read in here sometimes. The console's great and it's got some great games already, I'm just not quite where some of you are with it I suppose.

 

Just thought I'd share that as a slightly different opinion on it really. It will be great if we eventually have all that stuff in one place and it's great to have Zelda and Mario Kart on the system but its only AAA original release is Odyssey which, whilst great, isn't that great in my apparently unique in the world opinion.

The Wii U has a better library of Nintendo games overall but then it's been on the market five years whereas Switch has only been out less than a year. 

 

The thing is no one bought a Wii U, and people are buying Switch. 

 

I dunno, I think it's best console Nintendo has made since the SNES and the quality and frequency of the games remind me of it too.

 

I'm not really sure what more they could have done this year to please people.

[Sarlaccfood]

Also worth noting we've come to the end of most of the initially announced games, with a Direct coming in Jan focused on what's next. 

[Stanley]

26 minutes ago, Sarlaccfood said:

Also worth noting we've come to the end of most the initially announced games, with a Direct coming in Jan focused on what's next. 

True. I've been really impressed by their punctuality this year. So many people were doubting we'd even see the Zelda DLC never mind Mario or Xenoblade. If you go back and watch that first reveal trailer from Oct 16, they've delivered exactly what was promised, and then some. 

I mean that trailer is just over a year old, the system wasn't due for another 4 months. And here we are now with all of those games looking and playing as shown. 

 

The message and the marketing has been impeccable from the moment it was announced. Compare that with Wii U.

[T Pot]

If anyone is after some eshop credit, you can save a couple quid over at CDKeys right now.

 

 

[SMD]

4 hours ago, Pockets said:

Okay, this is a pointless post as I know none of you agree, but for the sake of sharing an opinion, can I be the mildly dissenting voice for a moment?

 

I've noticed over the last month or so that this thread is full of people stating their wishes for re-releases of one game or another. I'm one too, I want 3D World. But it's not really exciting to be wishing for games that are years old is it? A sequel, sure. But re-hashed versions of Skyrim or watered down versions of things like Doom that are lauded because they're suddenly portable? 

 

I dunno, a lot of that is just me and I don't want to piss on any parades just because I don't care for it, that stuff all has its place and I suppose it helps the system sell in various ways. For me though, the only exciting thing on the horizon is Metroid 4 and now Bayonetta 3. Possibly that Octopath thing too. I don't mean that as a criticism, I'm fine with it, that's enough for me, but all this OMG SWITCH IS THE BEST! stuff because it's got a re-release of some old game coming out just confuses me.

 

Onto the games then. Zelda is the amazing game you all led me to believe it was. I'd argue it's kind of a Wii U port but I'm aware that's a bit facetious too so whatever. Having finished Mario and been keen to see what all the post game stuff was, I have to say I'm a bit disappointed. I just don't really have a huge desire to keep playing. It's great, but I much preferred 3D World. Again, though, I know I'm in the minority in preferring the tighter levels to the open world Marios. Splatoon is decent fun but I just don't get it enough to understand the praise it gets here. It's good but I'm not seeing the love really. Then there's Mario Kart 8 which is amazing, but again, was on the Wii U.

 

I know the system is less than a year old and has done amazingly well. I know people love its features even if I don't use them and I know there's lots of great stuff to come, but the Wii U is still better right now for me. That had 3D World, Tropical Freeze, 101, Bayo 2, Zelda (eventually) and a few others. Admittedly, only a few others but I'd argue the best of what's on Switch was started on the Wii U (Zelda/Mario Kart).

 

I don't want to sound like I'm slagging anything off, I like my Switch just fine, but I'm just a bit confused by what I read in here sometimes. The console's great and it's got some great games already, I'm just not quite where some of you are with it I suppose.

 

Just thought I'd share that as a slightly different opinion on it really. It will be great if we eventually have all that stuff in one place and it's great to have Zelda and Mario Kart on the system but its only AAA original release is Odyssey which, whilst great, isn't that great in my apparently unique in the world opinion.

 

I don't think it's pointless, I get what you're saying but lemme change the perspective a little.

 

The Switch is a clean break for both Nintendo and console fans - a console you can take anywhere is a big deal for a lot of people. Not only the mechanic of portable console game but being able to just suspend it and not worry about where you are in the game or in the world. Start Zelda, put it in your back, take it out on a train or a plane and you're still going.

Having new titles from Nintendo is always the point of buying Nintendo machines but there's also a realism that most Nintendo fans have dealt with over the last decade. By and large, you're going to be sustained by first party games - the Switch having so much traditional support is a novelty for anyone who's owned a home machine since the SNES. Even though the Wii was a phenomenon, can you imagine getting a port of something like Doom that was so faithful to the original? The Wii didn't even get Doom 3 even though it was an Xbox game originally. Bethesda and Rockstar supporting a Nintendo console is a proper turn up for the books.

 

So back to your point about the Wii U. We're unlikely to get a sequel to Odyssey or BOTW for a while. There are a lot of classics that deserve a second chance. Mario 3D World, Bayonetta 2, Donkey Kong (if Retro are working on a new IP, I doubt anyone else is working on a sequel to Tropical Freeze), liberating them from basically a dead end machine. Purely from a preservation point of view, I'd like to see all of the Wii U's best titles eventually make it across to the Switch because the Gamepad is going to be hell to replace in the future and who wants to keep a Wii U around anyway.

 

Old games deserve to be preserved and maintained for future generations because they still have value. Games take longer to make and the more developers get to experiment and try to make new experiences, the more important the older ones become.

 

The two examples that stick out for me are Paper Mario Thousand Year Door and F-Zero GX. The former is a long running series that doesn't replicate or iterate on that game at all, so if you're a fan of that game then you're sod out of luck because there aren't really many games like it. The latter is even worse, the series just died with that entry. Fast Racing Neo tried to replace it and it was decent but it's not F-Zero. I'd love new games but realistically at this moment, I'd have more luck with a Virtual Console/re-release of both. And having them on the Switch would be fantastic, as would a lot of existing indies.

 

It's been a good year though, we've had a mix of new and old. I'd like to see that continue, especially if it means Nintendo have more time to polish up their games and gives developers a second chance with some of their games.

[Nespresso]

 

[Nespresso]

3 hours ago, Stanley said:

True. I've been really impressed by their punctuality this year. So many people were doubting we'd even see the Zelda DLC never mind Mario or Xenoblade. If you go back and watch that first reveal trailer from Oct 16, they've delivered exactly what was promised, and then some. 

I mean that trailer is just over a year old, the system wasn't due for another 4 months. And here we are now with all of those games looking and playing as shown. 

 

The message and the marketing has been impeccable from the moment it was announced. Compare that with Wii U.

Made me watch parts of the first reveal presentation again.

 

 

Best sax. 

[Mike]

I keep reading this thread, and seeing people getting them is just making the count down to Christmas go slower.  It's well exciting too, like being a kid again.  I get it Christmas morning  

[weightgain]

7 hours ago, Pockets said:

Okay, this is a pointless post....

Not pointless. Different opinion. I disagree. You disagree with me. Switch is a revolution to me and the games I’ve played - mario, zelda, are generation defining moments.

 

We won’t agree. That’s ok.

 

I do feel a little sad for you. I smile every time I play them and it’s worth so much more than the outlay. I’m so happy to have that as life is so harsh and awful. 

 

Peace

[ZOK]

The Wii U screen controller thingummy is horrible to use compared with the Switch too. The screen isn’t great and it’s awful to hold for any reasonable length of time.

 

If you choose to, you can look at the Switch as a Wii U upgraded where they really got everything just right, and then threw in double the useability for good measure. But as most people buying a Switch will never have owned a Wii U, any comparison is essentially moot. It’s just all new.

[SMD]

I don't think it's just industry but society as a whole, I might be massively biased but I feel like the 90s were the last decade that people would look exclusively to the future. It's not that media was disposable or anything, just that the hunger for the new and the acceleration for technology meant that most people valued new films, shows, albums and games more. There was an expectation that each generation would push the envelope and as a result there'd come a change in tastes.

 

The 2000s felt like there'd been a shift towards nostalgia that exploded towards the end of the decade and now there's far more of a market and even an expectation that preservation and respect is paid to classics.

 

There were obviously remakes and remasters before then, you could buy 80s compilations during the 90s etc but I don't think gaming had such a deference to previous generations and classics as it has done in the last decade.

[fat flatulent git]

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 I can't imagine anyone being excited about a Mega Drive game coming out on the PS1 back in the 90s.

 

Any third party game coming to the Switch is a good thing, as this is an area where they have often struggled - third party support.

 

But it isn't like a Megadrive game coming to the PS1.  It's more like an improved version of a Megadrive game (Skyrim Switch is better than PS360) coming to the Gameboy Color, so it can be played on the go.  In fact, it's even better than that, since GBC couldn't plug into the TV.

 

 

[outspaced]

I suppose you could look at the Switch as being descended from Super Gameboy and Gameboy player. They made it possible to play your handheld games on the telly although Switch feels like you're doing it the other way around, playing telly games on your handheld. 

[Dudley]

8 hours ago, Pockets said:

 Maybe it's just that the industry has changed but I can't imagine anyone being excited about a Mega Drive game coming out on the PS1 back in the 90s.

 

[Not Thread Owner]

14 hours ago, Mr Tony said:

If anyone is after some eshop credit, you can save a couple quid over at CDKeys right now.

 

 

 

£23.70 at Zeek, but you get £6 Quidco if it's your first time with them.

[T Pot]

Just now, deKay said:

 

£23.70 at Zeek, but you get £6 Quidco if it's your first time with them.

 

Awesome, thanks. Same offer with top cash back, so I’ll use that for my next one.

[Not Thread Owner]

1 minute ago, Mr Tony said:

 

Awesome, thanks. Same offer with top cash back, so I’ll use that for my next one.

 

If you use your Quidco credit to buy Zeek credit, you get a 15% bonus too so even more savings possible

[Stanley]

8 hours ago, Pockets said:

 

I think my post may have been misinterpreted a little. I like my Switch just fine, I'm happy I got it and Zelda is just as good as everyone said. My point really was just that I think it's a little early for all the hyperbole when all we've really had is one big original game in Mario (which I was a little underwhelmed by considering the hype, that's the one position I differ most on I think). 

It's not just one big original game though. You're discounting Zelda because it also came out on Wii U. But it was a simultaneous release on Switch and sold more on that format. It also has performance improvements and the added bonus of full portability.

 

Then there's Splatoon 2 which is the biggest selling Switch game in Japan by some margin.

 

The only game that's a port or remaster is Mario Kart 8 Deluxe but even that has features and improvements not present in the Wii U version.

[T Pot]

16 minutes ago, deKay said:

 

If you use your Quidco credit to buy Zeek credit, you get a 15% bonus too so even more savings possible

 

I don't use quidco but I'll keep this in mind if I start

[HarMGM]

I’d say that by now, if the Switch doesn’t appeal to you on the basis of it’s library, then it’s more to do with taste then anything else. Discounting any re-releases, Switch has received 7 exclusive titles within its first 9 months. For a Nintendo platform that’s an outright record. One we haven’t seen since... The GBA? 

 

Ofcourse the games included in that number don’t appeal to everyone. But games like 1-2 Switch, ARMS, Fire Emblem Warriors do offer up a variety of play styles rarely seen in a console’s first year.

 

The reason so many are getting excited for re-releases then, has to do with additional holes in the library that are getting plugged. Nintendo consoles have always missed out on third party AAA software. Even when they got remasters. So it’s only logical to see the outporing of relief when DOOM got announced(there’s other examples as well, but this one lept to mind). Thats a series whose last installment got released on the GBA more then a decade ago.

 

Comparing that to a Megadrive game getting ported to the PSone is missing the point. Sony never missed out on any content bar first party exclusives. Unlike Nintendo, whose problems with this date back to the N64, hell, the SNES even!

[simms]

11 minutes ago, HarMGM said:

Nintendo consoles have always missed out on third party AAA software. Even when they got remasters.

 

It been a good start for software releases but still early days.  I think the Switch is still going to miss out on the big third party releases and their best bet to to court more indie developers, there's a whole host of indie games that would be brilliant on the Switch.

[HarMGM]

I’m inclined to agree on that Simms. Especially as bigger third parties have switched to the Games as Service model, I expect less support for the Switch as we go on.

 

On the other hand, next to indie developers, the Switch can benefit massively from having mid-tier developers like Nippon Ichi or Atlus put out their stuff on it. Already we’re seeing movements towards that.

 

Add in S-E pleding massive support along with the other big Japanese publishers and the third party situation won’t look nearly as dire as on the Wii.

 

In a few years, I expect Switch to look a lot like the DS in its glory days. Third party wise.

[SMD]

This is probably going to be controversial but in spite of the numbers they're doing, I really don't see EA and Activision as necessary any more. Battlefront, Destiny and FIFA just leave me cold with their cynicism and I can't be fucked with incomplete or mechanically stale games.

Obviously I can't say they're not popular but these publishers don't feel essential any more. Seeing Bethesda and Rockstar (as well as Ubisoft of course) on board is far more encouraging.

 

But mostly I just think GaaS is shit and I'm happy there's a platform where other games can shine.

[Sarlaccfood]

24 minutes ago, SMD said:

This is probably going to be controversial but in spite of the numbers they're doing, I really don't see EA and Activision as necessary any more. Battlefront, Destiny and FIFA just leave me cold with their cynicism and I can't be fucked with incomplete or mechanically stale games.

Obviously I can't say they're not popular but these publishers don't feel essential any more. Seeing Bethesda and Rockstar (as well as Ubisoft of course) on board is far more encouraging.

 

But mostly I just think GaaS is shit and I'm happy there's a platform where other games can shine.

 

I don't see that as controversial at all. In fact I think it's one of the key factors contributing to the outpouring of goodwill @Pockets mentioned we're seeing on here and other places. 

 

Intentional or not, right now the Switch is a refuge from all the mtx, games-as-a-service bollocks, and I think it's striking a note with a certain group of people that find that stuff quite depressing.

[HarMGM]

Jim Sterling agrees as well:

 

Non purple spandex part starts at 1:24.

[Simmy]

23 minutes ago, HarMGM said:

Jim Sterling agrees as well:

 

Non purple spandex part starts at 1:24.

 

Sterdust?!

 

What. A. Cock.

[the_debaser]

24 minutes ago, HarMGM said:

Jim Sterling agrees as well:

 

Non purple spandex part starts at 1:24.

 

That guy has the most horrendous voice. 

[Fatsam]

1 hour ago, HarMGM said:

I’d say that by now, if the Switch doesn’t appeal to you on the basis of it’s library, then it’s more to do with taste then anything else. Discounting any re-releases, Switch has received 7 exclusive titles within its first 9 months. For a Nintendo platform that’s an outright record. One we haven’t seen since... The GBA? 

 

I'm pretty sure Wii had more than that.