Nintendo Switch

[Sarlaccfood]

3 hours ago, Capwn said:

lack of new AAA 1st party games 

 

There's lot to come back to in your post, some of which are even legitimate issues, but that one right there is complete and utter bollocks and just makes me think you're trolling to be honest.

 

Anyway whatever...sounds like you've made your mind up. 

 

[Quest]

11 hours ago, Bushtopher said:

 

Where is SF2 a tenner? I'd be tempted at that price!

 

China, importing a Japanese copy. Doesn't have English but I'll muddle through.

 

I was pretty surprised by the price, as it's about a tenner from every seller online here. Japanese RRP must've been wayyyy lower than the western release.

[Chooch]

41 minutes ago, clippa said:

 

yeah, but that's not helpful to the outside potential purchaser looking in, is it? It sounds like capwn has the current gen consoles and maybe a pc? Unless he's interested in the currently released first party nintendo games, there's nothing there for him.

 

"having an amazing time still, despite the cons" could just be choice supportive bias, especially when console wars on a forum like this are a thing.

 

I've seen plenty of people saying how they don't regret buying the switch version of game X instead of the pc version despite it running at 10fps and crashing every 10 minutes. You do have to wonder.

 

edit: The post above mine, surely, is a perfect example. The switch has had a soft-launch with a view to building up momentum towards christmas and next year will be when we start to see the first party library grow.

To see people saying that it's got great AAA first party support already is just laughable and precisely why someone on the fence would treat a platform thread like this with suspicion.

What are the games running at 10fps and crashing every ten minutes? 

[Pavey]

All of them, the whole system is fucked.

 

In other more positive news my eBay Mempoo dock (see above) does work, however only with the official psu/charger. It seems an iPad charger doesn't cut it (although does when playing handheld). @Jimmyzilla @rgraves

[Jimmyzilla]

Oh yeah I don't think any other chargers work with the official dock either

[Pavey]

Shame really but even buying another works out cheaper than the official dock set. Hand in pocket again

[Strafe]

9 hours ago, Capwn said:

 

I've heard people constantly moaning about the online stuff, the eshop, the downloading, the expensive games, awful chat features, dodgy controllers, lack of new AAA 1st party games, crappy subscription services etc. I really don't think it's too realistic to paint a picture where 'EVERYONE' thinks it's amazing, it clearly has a long way to go still.

 

The online friends chat via the app is rubbish and I haven't bothered with it.

 

Games seem reasonably priced if you shop around for physical to me. The e shop works fine. Download speeds are great on my very basic sky broadband. i.e same as anything else.

 

Zelda, Mario Kart, arms, Splatoon 2 - 4 AAA 1st party games in under 6 months seems amazing to me, with Mario Odyssey still to come. Subjective I know but I couldn't name 5 AAA exclusives on Xbox or PS4 after 4 years, let alone in their first 6 months.

 

The subscription service hasn't even been clarified so who knows.

 

For a console out barely six months, I think it's in a way more favourable than the others at this point in their lifetime and I say that as someone who only bought it for zelda and was resigned to thinking it would tank. If the cons bother you then don't get it. 

 

 

 

[Strafe]

4 hours ago, Capwn said:

 

I've heard people constantly moaning about the online stuff, the eshop, the downloading, the expensive games, awful chat features, dodgy controllers, lack of new AAA 1st party games, crappy subscription services etc. I really don't think it's too realistic to paint a picture where 'EVERYONE' thinks it's amazing, it clearly has a long way to go still.

 

The online friends chat via the app is rubbish and I haven't bothered with it.

 

Games seem reasonably priced to me if you shop around for physical to me. The e shop works fine. Download speeds are great for me.

 

Zelda, Mario Kart, arms, Splatoon 2 - 4 AAA 1st party games in under 6 months seems amazing to me, with Mario Odyssey still to come.

 

The subscription service hasn't even been clarified so who knows.

 

For a console out barely six months, I think it's in a way more favourable than the others at this point in their lifetime. If the cons bother you then don't get it. 

 

 

 

[Sarlaccfood]

1 hour ago, clippa said:

 

 

To see people saying that it's got great AAA first party support already is just laughable

 

[CheekyLee]

1 hour ago, clippa said:

To see people saying that it's got great AAA first party support already is just laughable

Breath of the Wild is worth the cost on its own, and is basically going to win every GOTY for 2017, and the generally accepted "Best Game Ever", regardless of what you personally think, in much the same way Half Life 2 once held that title.

 

That this has been followed with Mario Kart 8 Deluxe, the best version of one of the most popular and enduring franchises of all time, ARMS, and Splatoon 2 makes your own statement laughable. Those 4 games in one year would be plenty, but they actually came out over 4 months. There's still Pokken DX to come, too, which may not be to everybody's taste but is still firmly in AAA territory. (Can we please remove this foul phrase from our lexicon, incidentally?)

 

And then we get Mario Odyssey, which may actually just steal Zelda's crown and have the first paragraph applied to it instead. Even if NO third-party games at all appeared on the console, we've got more than enough to be going on with.

 

You can level a lot of criticism at Nintendo, but suggesting their first-party support is anything other than stellar is as far wide of the mark as you can get. 

[Majora]

Some people don't see games like Splatoon, Arms and Mario Kart as AAA because they're multiplayer focussed, that's really all there is to it. It's silly but AAA to some people will only ever be meaty single-player games. 

 

If you only want those kind of games then it's not terribly unfair to say the number on the Switch isn't huge. I bought Zelda and Mario Kart and then had a big gap until Mario + Rabbids (which is easily as good as a first party release) but I certainly wouldn't dismiss the quality of Splatoon 2 and Arms, they're just not for me. 

[HarryBizzle]

5 hours ago, clippa said:

As an unbiased switch owner,

 

Please take your head out of your arse.

 

 

1 hour ago, clippa said:

"having an amazing time still, despite the cons" could just be choice supportive bias, especially when console wars on a forum like this are a thing.

The state of this. Are you alright, this morning, clippa? Between this and the One X thread you appear to be having a bit of an episode.

 

 

Capwn, if you like the look of the games on the console then there's your answer. If you've got a Wii U then fair enough, MK8D and Zelda aren't a draw. The controllers have been fixed. The online never will be. And if you're not buying one because of the state of the eShop then you're beyond help.

[gizmo1990]

I've never heard that kind of distinction being made between good multiplayer or single player games. MK8 not a fantastic title? Ridiculous. Capwn is trolling, I alluded to such in my last reply. C'mon guys, he drops little post remarks like that constantly! Don't take it seriously, I enjoy em!

[Colonel Panic]

Of course Capwn is trolling, guys. 

[Shimmyhill]

@Capwn raises valid points, if you don’t like mp games like splatoon and mk8 and I believe he played Zelda on Wii U then the reasons to own a Switch do raise some questions, for me it’s the perfect second console in fact I use it as much as I do my PS4 and at times more - my Xbone has been the casualty in this gen!

 

While the indie scene is incredible on the Switch at the moment it’s still better on PS4, pc etc and not everyone is into handheld play and if so probably have a vita so can do this already with a bigger + cheaper library.

 

However, most of the issues are blown out of all proportion - I had the joycon sync issue and yes it shouldn’t have happened but Nintendo sorted it out quickly and easily, Sony did not fix my PS4 pad with multiple faults within warranty so I bought another one  Banana docks cause the screen scratching so need to be returned - there is no issue with the dock unless yours is faulty. 

 

The online app app and voice chat is shit, undefendable but actually playing online has been flawless for me and same with eShop - all eShop across the current consoles are shite, most odd that one!

 

So yeah, I can see why @Capwn has some reservations but for me the Switch has been a game changer and while I couldn’t only own it (Destiny, BF) I also wouldn’t be without it and it makes the PS4 feel really restricted when I can’t play my games anytime, anywhere!

[The Mighty Ash]

I don't believe the issues are blown out of proportion. I have owned 4 consoles and 3 have been bent out of the box. It's a very slight bend but it's noticeable. 

[Stanley]

5 hours ago, clippa said:

You missed "badly ported, poorly performing indie games" too.

The free online, one of the main things nintendo had going for them over the other consoles is now out of the window too.

 

As an unbiased switch owner, I'd say do not get a switch just yet, unless you're interested in zelda (overrated isn't the word) or splatoon (2, honest), mario kart (deluxe, honest), wait for some more, decent games.

 

Strafe, he's right to be suspicious, these platform threads tend to be full of people ignoring all the cons.

I don't think there's anything to be 'suspicious' of. 

 

As for the cons, well, your mileage may vary, as they say. The voice chat app looks awful, that's true. So I guess you'd just have to ask yourself how important that feature is. Personally I'm not an online chat kind of player so it won't affect me. I'd like it to be better of course, because it will attract new players and developers the better everything is.

 

Other than that, and overpriced indie games (£36 for Binding of Isaac, come on) it's all positive for me.

 

The software lineup over the last six months has been excellent. If you already own a Wii U then perhaps you might not feel that way, but overall it's been great with more to come this year. There's still another three Nintendo games due this year by my count.

 

It is the best handheld games console I've used. The screen is large and bright, and it's the first time ever that full console controls have been integrated into a portable. Being able to play Mario Kart 8, the full proper version running at 60FPS on a handheld still blows my mind. 

 

It is everything it set out to be - the perfect integration of handheld and home console. It works exactly as you'd expect, seamlessly, no compromise. That's the draw for me. It's Nintendo firing on all cylinders offering their most creative software in years and hardware to match. 

 

And let's mention Mario + Rabbids. It's everything that's great about games right now, and a million miles from what anyone else is doing. 

 

 

[Colonel Panic]

Genuine question about Mario + Rabbids. What makes it a million miles from anything? I thought it was an XCom style game!

[shirubagan]

Completed my GV run-through of Mighty Gunvolt Burst. I enjoyed it a lot, especially when you're massively OP nearing the end

 

Cheers for banging on about it @deKay it was a good recommendation – now I need to go back to Gunvolt Azure Badger on 3DS and complete that.

[Stanley]

2 minutes ago, Colonel Panic said:

Genuine question about Mario + Rabbids. What makes it a million miles from anything? I thought it was an XCom style game!

Yes it is a bit like Xcom, it's a turn based strategy game, but with a really friendly design and the polish of a AAA Nintendo game. When your big first party games are generally all quite safe bets it just feels really refreshing. I mean, Rabbids for God's sake! 

[DC Lemon]

This all tells me that Nintendo needs to do a Splatoon spin-off which appeals to those who don't like multiplayer because this current state of affairs where people can't enjoy Splatoon simple isn't acceptable to me.

 

Fortunately, Ubisoft's ability to churn out sequels means Inklings + Rabbids: Three in the Ink can arrive in 2018.

[HarryBizzle]

27 minutes ago, Colonel Panic said:

Genuine question about Mario + Rabbids. What makes it a million miles from anything? I thought it was an XCom style game!

 

It's like XCOM except you don't need a PhD to play it.

[Not Thread Owner]

I don't even have Splatoon 2, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe or Arms, and I still love my Switch.

 

In fact, I've only two "full price" games for it and they're both Wii U games - Lego City and Zelda.

[Not Thread Owner]

29 minutes ago, shirubagan said:

Completed my GV run-through of Mighty Gunvolt Burst. I enjoyed it a lot, especially when you're massively OP nearing the end

 

Cheers for banging on about it @deKay it was a good recommendation – now I need to go back to Gunvolt Azure Badger on 3DS and complete that.

 

Have you completed it as all three characters now?

[Colonel Panic]

Thanks @HarryBizzle and @Stanley, I've added Mario and Rabbids to my list!

[the_debaser]

I've just come in here and people are having to defend the switch?

 

Fuck off lads, it's the best thing ever. I'd rather have Zelda on its own than the totality of every single PS4 and XB1 game. 

[shirubagan]

1 hour ago, deKay said:

 

Have you completed it as all three characters now?

 

Not yet, but I've just been playing in small bursts (LOL). There's no way I'll trying to 100% it either.

[Capwn]

When I brought up these 'issues' they were not really reasons that put me off buying a Switch but rather a response to the remark that people think the Switch is amazing which in my head I read as 'perfect', my mistake. I mean, I have never played a game with online chatting in my life. So some of the concerns I brought up do not really affect me.

 

I also messed up by saying AAA games instead of something like 'exclusive system sellers'. I really don't think you can consider Zelda or MarioKart as those, nothing has advanced much on the Switch versions. They are essentially ports of games that were primarily developed for an older console.

 

Here is a comment that is going to make me seem like a troll but Splatoon2 and Arms are not what I would consider an 'Exclusive system seller', am sure they are great fun but in the grand scheme of things they won't be games people reflect on at the end of the consoles life.

 

I'll get one for sure, was just keen on having people share their views and reflect on the machine after it's been out for several months.

 

[mdn2]

Splatoon 2 absolutely will be seen as an Exclusive System Seller by the end of the consoles life. It's a genuine bonafide phenomenon. And this is from someone who isn't really into it at all. 

[sandman]

1 hour ago, the_debaser said:

I've just come in here and people are having to defend the switch?

 

Fuck off lads, it's the best thing ever. I'd rather have Zelda on its own than the totality of every single PS4 and XB1 game. 

With the exception of Witcher 3 - I would agree with this

 

I think its been a pretty shit gen so far ( I know that nobody else thinks this on the forum, but in RL every gamer I know agrees) and the Switch really is a breath of fresh air for me.