Nintendo Switch

[rgraves]

2 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

And now you can pay £20-£30 a year to play those same years old games online in 2017.

 

2 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

They need to settle on a price sooner rather than later.

They have, it's going to be 2-3,000 yen. He confirms that.

[Girth Certificate]

I havn't bought a launch console for a while, were there many PS3/360 features that were suddenly missing from the PS4/Bone when they first came out?

[rgraves]

1 minute ago, NickC said:

I never bought a Wii U, so I don’t know how the external memory will work.  Can anyone help me out?

 

Roughly how many full retail games could I expect to get on a 64GB micro SD card?

 

If I delete a game to make more space, does my game save go as well?

 

I assume I can just re-download a game later if I wipe it to make space on the card, right?

 

Thanks.

If it works the same as Wii U:

 

1) Totally varies, some eShop stuff is tiny, stuff like Batman or Lego was 19GB! 7-10GB was about average for a retail game I think.

2) Usually the saves are held in separate files, so they stay if you delete the game yeah.

3) Yes, once purchased you can just download again at any point as needed.

[JPickford]

19 minutes ago, rgraves said:

Mate, it's going to be about £20 for the year and we already know that'll get you online, access to the app services, and at least some form of (most likely really old NES) game 'rental' per month. It might get you some more, it might not - but that's the base to work with if it's really pivotal in the decision making process.

 

A detail most have missed (and I don't have a link to hand) is that the old games will be modified for online play.  So while the 1 month rental is a bit crap - it's a fair bet there will be a LOT of people playing the monthly game and likely it'll be first time that game has been playable online.

[Jonny5]

 

1 minute ago, _Pow_ said:

I havn't bought a launch console for a while, were there many PS3/360 features that were suddenly missing from the PS4/Bone when they first came out?

 

Didn't the PS4 ship without media playback capabilities that were present on the PS3?

[Stanley]

The 360 launched without a red ring. They soon remedied that though.

[The Mighty Ash]

 

 

28th April for Puyo Tetris

[rgraves]

Did we see this yet?

 

[Corranga]

1 minute ago, JPickford said:

 

A detail most have missed (and I don't have a link to hand) is that the old games will be modified for online play.  So while the 1 month rental is a bit crap - it's a fair bet there will be a LOT of people playing the monthly game and likely it'll be first time that game has been playable online.

 

Also, people went nuts for the NES classic last year, paying 100-120 quid (on eBay) for a device that would emulate only 30 NES games.

By that reckoning, 20-30 quid a year for 12 games WITH online multiplayer (and from the SNES era, or did I imagine that?) surely is the megatron bargain we've all been waiting for

 

As you say, there will be a LOT of people playing the monthly game, which I believe is the reason it is a monthly game.  As a service, it aims to provide a sustainable online multiplayer experience.  PS+ / Xbox live gold don't.  They allow you to play online, and give you freebie titles to ease the blow when no one is playing that 2 year old title any more.

 

I paid 40 quid a year for Xbox Live Gold when I had a 360.  There were no free games, it was an online service.  For my 40 quid, I got to play online and that was that.

They added the Games with Gold thing to compete with PS+.

I also paid 40 quid a year for ps+.  it was a games subscription.  I was given download games for my Ps3 and Vita.

They added in that you had to subscribe to play on ps4, and at the same time, the quality of the games dropped (in most peoples eyes, there have been some very special indy titles on there since as we know..)

 

This looks to be half the price, and focuses on online play, with a new experience every month - one that you've never had before, not recycling old content that you might well have already bought.  I admit, it doesn't sound perfect, but it sounds different, and it's something I'm interested in.

 

[gingerling]

3 minutes ago, rgraves said:

Did we see this yet?

 

Yeah I read about it the day after downloading it on PSN

 

Then again it was cheap £15.99 I think.

[Girth Certificate]

you know what they should get on there first? Sunset fucking Riders online co-op.

[mdn2]

10 minutes ago, rgraves said:

Did we see this yet?

 

Oh god, I'm all over that. And I own the special edition on the PS4. And the season pass. But portable Disgaea is the best Disgaea.  

[Mr Do 71]

23 minutes ago, JPickford said:

 

A detail most have missed (and I don't have a link to hand) is that the old games will be modified for online play.  So while the 1 month rental is a bit crap - it's a fair bet there will be a LOT of people playing the monthly game and likely it'll be first time that game has been playable online.

 

Gotta be worth it, to be able to play Super Mario Kart online!

[Stanley]

14 minutes ago, Freeman said:

 

Also, people went nuts for the NES classic last year, paying 100-120 quid (on eBay) for a device that would emulate only 30 NES games.

By that reckoning, 20-30 quid a year for 12 games WITH online multiplayer (and from the SNES era, or did I imagine that?) surely is the megatron bargain we've all been waiting for

 

As you say, there will be a LOT of people playing the monthly game, which I believe is the reason it is a monthly game.  As a service, it aims to provide a sustainable online multiplayer experience.  PS+ / Xbox live gold don't.  They allow you to play online, and give you freebie titles to ease the blow when no one is playing that 2 year old title any more.

 

I paid 40 quid a year for Xbox Live Gold when I had a 360.  There were no free games, it was an online service.  For my 40 quid, I got to play online and that was that.

They added the Games with Gold thing to compete with PS+.

I also paid 40 quid a year for ps+.  it was a games subscription.  I was given download games for my Ps3 and Vita.

They added in that you had to subscribe to play on ps4, and at the same time, the quality of the games dropped (in most peoples eyes, there have been some very special indy titles on there since as we know..)

 

This looks to be half the price, and focuses on online play, with a new experience every month - one that you've never had before, not recycling old content that you might well have already bought.  I admit, it doesn't sound perfect, but it sounds different, and it's something I'm interested in.

 

I don't think that makes it more sustainable than MS or Sony. I mean it's fine if you're happy with one game every month and then moving on, but then there's no guarantee that every game for the service will be online multiplayer based anyway - unless I've missed something. And even then, we're talking about NES games here. It's not like you'll be playing Rocket League one month, Destiny the next. 

[mdn2]

3 minutes ago, Stanley said:

I don't think that makes it more sustainable than MS or Sony. I mean it's fine if you're happy with one game every month and then moving on, but then there's no guarantee that every game for the service will be online multiplayer based anyway - unless I've missed something. And even then, we're talking about NES games here. It's not like you'll be playing Rocket League one month, Destiny the next. 

It's SNES games as well, apparently. I'd be happy to revisit a fair few of them with online scoreboards. 

[MikeBeaver]

24 minutes ago, ashmatuk said:

 

 

28th April for Puyo Tetris

365games had this yesterday for a touch over £31

 

22 minutes ago, rgraves said:

Did we see this yet?

 

 

Any links to this, I NEED to purchase it

 

5 minutes ago, Stanley said:

I don't think that makes it more sustainable than MS or Sony. I mean it's fine if you're happy with one game every month and then moving on, but then there's no guarantee that every game for the service will be online multiplayer based anyway - unless I've missed something. And even then, we're talking about NES games here. It's not like you'll be playing Rocket League one month, Destiny the next. 

 

Good, as I don't like either of them

[Stanley]

1 minute ago, mdn2 said:

It's SNES games as well, apparently. I'd be happy to revisit a fair few of them with online scoreboards. 

Even so, I fail to understand how it will offer a more sustainable online service than Sony or MS. 

[MikeBeaver]

Just now, Stanley said:

Even so, I fail to understand how it will offer a more sustainable online service than Sony or MS. 

 

It's going to be about £20 a year, lets you go online and gives you a NES and SNES game per month to play ( I'm sure I heard it was one of each, I may of course be wrong ).

For £20, some of us will be happy just to play 12 / 24 different games over the year and the odd game of Splatton 2and MK8D, it's really not a lot of money, and I keep seeing people say it's a £300 machine, well, with the first years online maybe, otherwise it's still £280

[mdn2]

1 minute ago, Stanley said:

Even so, I fail to understand how it will offer a more sustainable online service than Sony or MS. 

Surely it will be up to the games to see whether it's sustainable? Splatoon, Mario Kart and ARMS are a good start.

[Stanley]

4 minutes ago, mdn2 said:

Surely it will be up to the games to see whether it's sustainable? Splatoon, Mario Kart and ARMS are a good start.

Yeah, I'm not arguing that it's unsustainable, rather replying to the guy who was suggesting Sony's and MS's are. Just seemed a bit of a bizarre thing to say.

[Adrock]

I think having a game a month will be interesting, especially with online functionality.

 

The community will all have access to the same game at the same time. Nothing worse than a game that is deserted when something new comes along.

 

Even leader boards will be enough. It'll foster a decent community.

[Not Thread Owner]

48 minutes ago, NickC said:

Roughly how many full retail games could I expect to get on a 64GB micro SD card?

 

 

Between 1 and 150.

 

Depends entirely on which games. Some Wii U games were under 1GB, some were 30+GB.

[Adrock]

38 minutes ago, gingerling said:

Yeah I read about it the day after downloading it on PSN

 

Then again it was cheap £15.99 I think.

 

How is Disgaea 5? I've not played the series since the first. This could be good for portable play.

[mdn2]

2 minutes ago, Adrock said:

 

How is Disgaea 5? I've not played the series since the first. This could be good for portable play.

It's good and has more depth than the first, although none of the sequels have ever matched the characters from the first game. There's a few new additions which have been added to the series since the first (this one has a Revenge system where some characters grow in strength when their close allies are hurt), but it's basically Disgaea.

 

My order of preference (best to worst):

 

Disgaea 1 - Disgaea 4 - Disgaea D2 - Disgaea 5 - Disgaea 2 - Disgaea 3

[Stanley]

15 minutes ago, Adrock said:

 

Even leader boards will be enough. It'll foster a decent community.

I'm looking forward to Balloon Fight in that respect. I think I'm pretty good but I imagine I'll be way down the list.

[gingerling]

14 minutes ago, mdn2 said:

It's good and has more depth than the first, although none of the sequels have ever matched the characters from the first game. There's a few new additions which have been added to the series since the first (this one has a Revenge system where some characters grow in strength when their close allies are hurt), but it's basically Disgaea.

 

My order of preference (best to worst):

 

Disgaea 1 - Disgaea 4 - Disgaea D2 - Disgaea 5 - Disgaea 2 - Disgaea 3

Personally I love 3. Currently playing it on the Vita. Most regard 4 as the weakest? Edge gave 3 a great review back in the day.

[smac]

1 hour ago, rgraves said:

Did we see this yet?

 

 

Prinny D00d!

[mdn2]

9 minutes ago, gingerling said:

Personally I love 3. Currently playing it on the Vita. Most regard 4 as the weakest? Edge gave 3 a great review back in the day.

The characters in 3 did nothing for me. Mao was boring as sin. Personally I thought 4 came closest in tone to the first. 

[joe bazooka]

1 hour ago, HarryBizzle said:

And now you can pay £20-£30 a year to play those same years old games online in 2017.

 

They need to settle on a price sooner rather than later so early adopters can factor that in to their long term purchase. But my guess is they're going to see how things go and adjust accordingly. I still see them scrapping or reducing the charge when it materialises that by the end of 2017 it's still just MK8 and Splatoon that people are playing because there's no 3rd party content and the thing just isn't shifting units. 

Yeah, they need to so early adopters can factor that in to their long term purchase. 

[Corranga]

54 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Yeah, I'm not arguing that it's unsustainable, rather replying to the guy who was suggesting Sony's and MS's are. Just seemed a bit of a bizarre thing to say.

 

Ok, so it seems to me that Nintendo seem to be at least trying to put some thought into it as an online gaming system, not a subscription to play online with a random value add of a selection of free games that may or may not be online capable, and may or may not have other online players. By restricting the games available, they increase the likelihood of there being a decent player base there.

 

The Sony effort leaves people unhappy due to the types of games.

The MS effort gives big games that are old and a lot of people already own and don't want to play online.

 

Of course I'll be proven wrong when it's only 2 of them have online features in the first year, and 1 is a score board, because Nintendo, but I can dream, right?