Nintendo Switch

[Lorfarius]

3 minutes ago, joe bazooka said:

I reckon 1,2 Switch is perfectly priced. It's not essential like Zelda, of course. But as a fun showcase for the incredible HD rumble it's certainly worth a punt. I attend a lot of pool parties so of course this aimed at me and I think I'll get my money's worth.

 

Of course for some people the social aspect of this game is unappealing and therefore they will baulk at the price. To those people I say this. I'm paraphrasing Muhammed Ali here but to those people "don't fucking buy it then."

 

The Switch is water proof so don't worry about throwing it in the pool.

[joe bazooka]

Just now, Lorfarius said:

 

The Switch is water proof so don't worry about throwing it in the pool.

This is false and could void your warranty. For shame.

[Corranga]

26 minutes ago, MikeBeaver said:

I've bought 1,2 Switch as it will be ideal to show others how the system works, with the Amazon £10 off voucher that was going round the other week, I got it and MK8D for £70, was willing to pay the £45 for MK, so at £25 it's fine, anything higher and I wasn't in though for sure.

It looks like it will be fun for a while and there are more games to be revealed later on ( I quite like how they are slowly droping info rather than it all coming in one big chunk, keeps the hype up ).

 

 

 

Same here.  £25 to 30 including launch tax seemed ok to me.  If it's browner than a turd, eBay will likely see most of that £25 back shortly after launch.

 

Should it be a pack in?  Well, if it's shit, no!

 

Lots of folk using Wii Sports as an example, can someone name a pack in game that has as much replay value and content as Wii Sports?

Wii Sports is the perfect example because it was the pack in title that everyone WANTS rather than the one we usually get - if we get one at all.

 

 

[Lorfarius]

1 minute ago, joe bazooka said:

This is false and could void your warranty. For shame.

 

It was in Japanese so you probably missed it. Dunk away.

 

[Mallet]

I have no interest in 1,2 Switch but I would bet money that mini games like that gun shooting, milking the cow etc would be hilarious with people that don't really play games have had a few drinks. A few seconds will explain the premise of the mini game and away you go.

 

Whether it's too expensive is a different argument.

[Stanley]

4 minutes ago, Freeman said:

 

Same here.  £25 to 30 including launch tax seemed ok to me.  If it's browner than a turd, eBay will likely see most of that £25 back shortly after launch.

 

Should it be a pack in?  Well, if it's shit, no!

 

Lots of folk using Wii Sports as an example, can someone name a pack in game that has as much replay value and content as Wii Sports?

Wii Sports is the perfect example because it was the pack in title that everyone WANTS rather than the one we usually get - if we get one at all.

 

 

It's easy to say everyone wanted after it became a success. It's impossible to gauge how much value 1-2 Switch adds until more people have played it and reviewed it. Including it as a freebie doesn't diminish the value of the console though, even if it is a game people don't want, think is shit or whatever. And if the reason Nintendo aren't bundling it IS because they don't think it's good enough, as you seem to be suggesting, then how is it good enough to ask for £40 for it? 

[stefcha]

At least marketing at Nintendo has taken a step forward, not just that they're actually attempting to market it (amazing in itself, you might say) but that they had the sense to show the Zelda ad in the Super Bowl rather any of any of this utter shit.

[jamesy]

I'm looking forward to get the switch for Zelda and then Mario Kart. For anyone with a Wii U I imagine it's a much harder sell. I'd love to see a tweaked version of Star Fox Zero brought to switch with a traditional control scheme like Star Fox 64. 

[womblingfree]

I'm going to wait until I know what's going on with the compulsory online subscription.

 

The only online game I wasnt for this is also my favourite and I'm not pay a Mario Kart tax if the only incentive is a monthly thirty year old game for four weeks.

 

Well I might, but it better be about a tenner for the entire year.

[Girth Certificate]

Imagine if you are right at the end of LTTP  and then they take it away, replace it with Ice Climber and are all like 'fuck you give me £22.99 but the saves aren't compatible because Nintendo ahahahahahaha'

[auntyclimax]

Anyone going for one of these today as they're on offer?

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01IC0GJKE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

 

[Jonny5]

Nope!

[Lorfarius]

2 minutes ago, auntyclimax said:

Anyone going for one of these today as they're on offer?

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B01IC0GJKE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE

 

 

You sure that's the right kind?

[auntyclimax]

1 minute ago, Lorfarius said:

 

You sure that's the right kind?

 

 

 

I hope so!

[rgraves]

16 minutes ago, womblingfree said:

I'm going to wait until I know what's going on with the compulsory online subscription.

 

The only online game I wasnt for this is also my favourite and I'm not pay a Mario Kart tax if the only incentive is a monthly thirty year old game for four weeks.

 

Well I might, but it better be about a tenner for the entire year.

It's nothing concrete, but they are talking about added value:

 

Quote

A portion of a TIME interview with Tatsumi Kimishima...

 

TK: So far we have announced that from the fall, Nintendo's online service will be a paid service, and we have announced that the price range will be between 2,000 and 3,000 yen [$18 to $27] per year for that service. We've also announced that friends will be able to play online, and they'll be able to use a dedicated smartphone application that enables voice chat during those games.

 

More details are forthcoming, but I just want to make sure that everyone understands that we will be going above and beyond to make sure that our customers are getting a service that is worth paying for, so we're paying special attention to make sure that this is, again, a valuable service that they will appreciate from us.

 

T: How are you able to offer something ostensibly comparable to what your competitors do at that price?

 

TK: I think if you look at some of our competitors, you think that when I say 2,000 to 3,000 yen per year, that's a bit underpriced or cheap. But we are really dedicated to bringing our online business to the consumer at that price point. Online play with Switch is going to be something that's key to the business, and we had a ton of discussion internally within Nintendo to come up with what we thought was a reasonable price on how we can connect with our consumers.

 

We really think that regardless of what others are doing or what services are being offered, it comes down to a battle of content. We feel it's a matter of getting our content to the consumer at a price point that will make them happy, and then we're willing to look at what else we can do going forward. This is just the starting point for us, so again, it's a battle of content. We think we have what we need to win the battle on that front, and we hope to provide more details about the service going forward.

 

[HarryBizzle]

I think the way to "make sure everyone understands" how great your service is would be to let people know the details of it when you're launching in under 4 weeks. 

[rgraves]

1 minute ago, HarryBizzle said:

I think the way to "make sure everyone understands" how great your service is would be to let people know the details of it when you're launching in under 4 weeks. 

They aren't though. The paid service is months away. It's not launching until 'fall'. Plenty of time for them to let us know what that entails before we all have to decide if we're going to pony up or not.

[joe bazooka]

4 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

I think the way to "make sure everyone understands" how great your service is would be to let people know the details of it when you're launching in under 4 weeks. 

And what are you gonna do with that information, huh? Preorder even more Nintendo Switchs?

[HarryBizzle]

1 minute ago, rgraves said:

They aren't though. The paid service is months away. It's not launching until 'fall'. Plenty of time for them to let us know what that entails before we all have to decide if we're going to pony up or not.

 

It's the same service, just they're not charging for it at launch because it will no doubt launch borderline broken.

 

And if they're holding back features until Autumn, that's plenty of time for people to not know whether or not the online service for the £300 console they bought is a total rip off or not. 

[HarryBizzle]

3 minutes ago, joe bazooka said:

And what are you gonna do with that information, huh? Preorder even more Nintendo Switchs?

 

Then I would understand what the man wants me to understand. 

[Stanley]

5 minutes ago, rgraves said:

They aren't though. The paid service is months away. It's not launching until 'fall'. Plenty of time for them to let us know what that entails before we all have to decide if we're going to pony up or not.

That's good for the first 6 months, but I'd imagine most of us like to factor in the yearly charges too when making a purchase decision, and also just what we get for the money.

[rgraves]

12 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

It's the same service, just they're not charging for it at launch because it will no doubt launch borderline broken.

No it's not - the paid service will involve the launch of the app, and the free game entitlements etc. Will be clear additions on top of the basic service (hopefully lol).

 

And why will it be broken - what is broken about the Wii U online or the 3DS online right now? Seems to me like MK8 and Splatoon etc were far from broken online. They were basic maybe, but solid, stable, and far from 'broken'.

 

12 minutes ago, HarryBizzle said:

And if they're holding back features until Autumn, that's plenty of time for people to not know whether or not the online service for the £300 console they bought is a total rip off or not. 

 

I'm confused - they are saying details on the extra stuff you get when you pay will be available ahead of the point that you are actually going to be asked to start paying. In the meantime, it's free for early-adopters to play online in a basic way. How is that in any way bad?

[rgraves]

9 minutes ago, Stanley said:

That's good for the first 6 months, but I'd imagine most of us like to factor in the yearly charges too when making a purchase decision, and also just what we get for the money.

Mate, it's going to be about £20 for the year and we already know that'll get you online, access to the app services, and at least some form of (most likely really old NES) game 'rental' per month. It might get you some more, it might not - but that's the base to work with if it's really pivotal in the decision making process.

[Stanley]

The difference  @rgraves is that they're expecting us to purchase a £300 console ahead of announcing how much their online package will cost, and what you get with it. It's all very well not charging people for the first six months, but not much good when they do if it's overpriced. Looks like it's going to be in £30 region, give or take.

[Lorfarius]

5 minutes ago, rgraves said:

And why will it be broken - what is broken about the Wii U online or the 3DS online right now? Seems to me like MK8 and Splatoon etc were far from broken online. They were basic maybe, but solid, stable, and far from 'broken'.

 

 

The Wii U online launch wasn't "stable" and they certainly don't have a history of doing it right.

[rgraves]

1 minute ago, Stanley said:

The difference  @rgraves is that they're expecting us to purchase a £300 ahead of announcing how much their online package will cost, and what you get with it. It's all very well not charging people for the first six months, but not much good when they do if it's overpriced. Looks like it's going to be in £30 region, give or take.

They already said - it's going to be "2,000 - 3,000 yen [$18 to $27] ". Can't see that coming out at £30 however you crunch it - especially not if CDKeys steal some more credit cards and give us all some deals.

[Stanley]

2 minutes ago, rgraves said:

Mate, it's going to be about £20 for the year and we already know that'll get you online, access to the app services, and at least some form of game 'rental' per month. It might get you some more, it might not - but that's the base to work with if it's really pivotal in the decision making process.

It is important to me, not just whether I can afford it, but whether it's of any value. I really don't like the sound of their plans with regards to the 'free' monthly game. Luckily I'm not interested in voice chat and never use it, but for those who do I imagine this app thing might impact on their decision too, especially having to pay for it. I really think that should be a bare minimum, voice chat.

[rgraves]

7 minutes ago, Lorfarius said:

 

The Wii U online launch wasn't "stable" and they certainly don't have a history of doing it right.

It's been 100% free, and I reckon it's been far more stable and predictable than, say, PSN.

 

It's not got all the bells and whistles, absolutely not, but I played hours and hours of MK8 and Splatoon etc with very few problems - it's just flat out wrong to describe it as 'broken' when it clearly did what it was designed to do.

 

For the record, I'd rather they kept free and as they are - I'm not going to use voice chat, so it irks me that I'm basically going to have to pay for a set of features I'll not really use.

 

But people have been crying out for them, calling Nintendo out for not having them - and the other two charge a fee, so you can see why Nintendo have decided to follow suit in that regard. I don't like it, but it's what people have been asking for from them - a more full featured service - and that carries cost.

[HarryBizzle]

And now you can pay £20-£30 a year to play those same years old games online in 2017.

 

They need to settle on a price sooner rather than later so early adopters can factor that in to their long term purchase. But my guess is they're going to see how things go and adjust accordingly. I still see them scrapping or reducing the charge when it materialises that by the end of 2017 it's still just MK8 and Splatoon that people are playing because there's no 3rd party content and the thing just isn't shifting units. 

[NickC]

I never bought a Wii U, so I don’t know how the external memory will work.  Can anyone help me out?

 

Roughly how many full retail games could I expect to get on a 64GB micro SD card?

 

If I delete a game to make more space, does my game save go as well?

 

I assume I can just re-download a game later if I wipe it to make space on the card, right?

 

Thanks.