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Oh Danny Boy

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3 minutes ago, BarryL85 said:

 

Well cost is not the issue for you then it's value. 

 

The largest Swedish retailer has reported preorder numbers have surpassed that of the PS4....

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5pvjp5/retailer_in_sweden_switch_already_surpassed_ps4/

 

This is in no way reflective of how successful this console might be but it's surely positive news. 

 

The Wii U failed for many reasons, what you fail to see is that Nintendo dominate the handheld market and this is not only a home console not to mention there has been massive interest for the Switch already, I remember pre Wii U release, there was no buzz like this surrounding it. 

 

I do see! But the handheld market doesn't pay £280 for its hardware and £60 for its software 

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5 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

Wasn't that the WiiUs hook? Except now you can take it out of the home. It didn't capture the markets imagination then and I'll be shocked if it does now. 

 

Price is everything, one reason the Wii and DS was so successful because it was cheaper than its competitors and was at a price that people were willing to take a chance on it for. No one bought the 3DS at its original RRP and I doubt the Wii would have had the same level of success at £280. 

 

If Nintendo want people to take a chance on the Switch it should have been £200 max.  There are so many pointless bells and whistles on the thing that I'm sure that they could have met that price if they cut back on the hardware.

 

Basically I believe that Nintendo can not sell a home console at a premium. The market isn't there for them. Some might disagree but I'd be surprised if Nintendo maintain sales post launch.

 

The Wii U, while being an excellent machine, was too much of a mixed message - I loved the off screen play but then you had games that couldn't do this at all so it really did suffer but the Switch is a clear message, the same game works on the telly and as a portable machine.

 

You keep saying about Nintendo selling a home console at a premium when they're not, compare the launch price of it to the last three Playstation and one of those its less than half the price - of course if it was £200 then that would be a better price but its got a hell of a lot in the box as it stands and we have a weak pound and the #brexit effect to factor in so a part of that price is out of Nintendos hands.

 

Anyway I guess there is little point, you don't like Nintendo and I do so natural bias is going to colour our discussions and neither of us can see into the future!

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BarryL85

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1 hour ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

I do see! But the handheld market doesn't pay £280 for its hardware and £60 for its software 

 

They have always been vastly underpowered (yet capable) machines though. They did launch at around £200 with far less options than full home console experience games being released that you could also play on your TV. 

 

The Switch software has already saw prices drop for preorder, exactly like the PS4 and Xbox One software prices did. You will pay around £40-50 for the games, not £60 as you have stated. 

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1 hour ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

Its also not expensive in comparison to a car. But in comparison to other consoles it is.  Accessories and software even more so. Either Nintendo are trying to fleece early adopters for every penny they can get or they genuinely believe that the Switch will be a success at that price in which they are deluded. 

It's the cost of the Pro Controller that beggar's belief.

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10 minutes ago, BarryL85 said:

 

They have always been vastly underpowered (yet capable) machines though. They did launch at around £200 with far less options full home console experience games being released that you could also play on your TV. 

 

The Switch software has already saw prices drop for preorder, exactly like the PS4 and Xbox One software prices did. You will pay around £40-50 for the games, not £60 as you have stated. 

 

Psps and vitas struggled at the price point and so did the 3DS until it was reduced.

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7 minutes ago, sofasurfer said:

It's the cost of the Pro Controller that beggar's belief.

 

Why tho?

 

RRP for the PS4 pads was the same at launch and far less tech in those - even now on Amazon a PS4 pad is £43 delivered.

 

We can only call the price of the pad 'beggars belief' once we are out of the launch window as Xbone/PS4 pads went for the same money and we are yet to see accessory prices drop like the games already have.

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14 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

The Wii U, while being an excellent machine, was too much of a mixed message - I loved the off screen play but then you had games that couldn't do this at all so it really did suffer but the Switch is a clear message, the same game works on the telly and as a portable machine.

 

You keep saying about Nintendo selling a home console at a premium when they're not, compare the launch price of it to the last three Playstation and one of those its less than half the price - of course if it was £200 then that would be a better price but its got a hell of a lot in the box as it stands and we have a weak pound and the #brexit effect to factor in so a part of that price is out of Nintendos hands.

 

Anyway I guess there is little point, you don't like Nintendo and I do so natural bias is going to colour our discussions and neither of us can see into the future!

 

On the contrary, I love Nintendo games, but just because I do doesn't mean I can't criticise them  neither does it induce me to spend money on a console solely for their games.

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I can't help myself @Oh Danny Boy but this is a fair comparison to the switch, well not really all that fair as no screen but that can't add too much to the price of it - specs wise it has the same (or who knows) setup as the switch but less space (16gb)

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NVIDIA-SHIELD-Media-Streaming-Device/dp/B01NBJ6KZY?psc=1&SubscriptionId=AKIAJXIY36IRC3UVWHAQ&tag=alphr-21&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B01NBJ6KZY&ascsubtag=1005207

 

Thats the new version, apparently the pad is pretty awful but I think that paints the Switch as bloody good VFM for the hardware provided!

 

Or how about this one...

 

https://www.amazon.co.uk/NVIDIA-SHIELD-K1-Processor-Additional/dp/B0171BS9CG/ref=sr_1_2?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1485281418&sr=1-2&keywords=nvidia+shield

 

You can add some pads that clamp on the side for about £80 apparently!

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24 minutes ago, Gotters said:

 

I was delighted to see my pro controller pre-order on amazon come down to only £65 from its £99 price point

 

 

Thanks to someone a few pages back I've got one preordered for £55 on base.com

 

Edit. Gone up but stil under £60.

 

http://www.base.com/buy/product/pro-controller-nintendo-switch/dgc-proconns.htm

 

 

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1 hour ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

I think you are pulling at straws there or do I have to explain the difference between a next generation console and one that barely qualifies as current gen? Power wise at least.

"Barely qualifies as current gen" :rolleyes:  - I think that lets us all know what's really driving you here.

 

There is plenty about the Switch that is next gen. If you want to say it's all about raw horsepower then I guess the PSP wiped the floor with the DS and the Vita did the same with the 3DS. It's just not all about that one single thing. Well, unless that one single thing is software - which is the single biggest factor for any platform IMO. It'll be the software that either gives Switch life, or kills it stone dead - not the number of polygons it can push, or the fact that it can't do 4K HDR.

 

The switch is a next generation machine - it's offering a significant power upgrade over anything that you've previously been able to leave your home with in such a seamless way. What exactly were you expecting - a PS4 level handheld with a 25 hour battery life for £99?

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19 minutes ago, rgraves said:

"Barely qualifies as current gen" :rolleyes:  - I think that lets us all know what's really driving you here.

 

There is plenty about the Switch that is next gen. If you want to say it's all about raw horsepower then I guess the PSP wiped the floor with the DS and the Vita did the same with the 3DS. It's just not all about that one single thing. Well, unless that one single thing is software - which is the single biggest factor for any platform IMO. It'll be the software that either gives Switch life, or kills it stone dead - not the number of polygons it can push, or the fact that it can't do 4K HDR.

 

The switch is a next generation machine - it's offering a significant power upgrade over anything that you've previously been able to leave your home with in such a seamless way. What exactly were you expecting - a PS4 level handheld with a 25 hour battery life for £99?

 

It can do 4K HDR :)

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1 hour ago, Gotters said:

 

I was delighted to see my pro controller pre-order on amazon come down to only £65 from its £99 price point

 

44 minutes ago, RaoulSilva said:

 

 

Thanks to someone a few pages back I've got one preordered for £55 on base.com

 

Edit. Gone up but stil under £60.

 

http://www.base.com/buy/product/pro-controller-nintendo-switch/dgc-proconns.htm

 

 

 

Is there any reason not to preorder direct from Nintendo UK shop website? Mostly all accessories are cheaper on their than amazon. 

 

I'm just concerned as I never see anyone reccomend it and thats where I have my Pro Controller ordered for £59.99.

 

I was actually going to order it from base for £55 but felt like Nintendo might be more reliable for release day. (Not that i've ever had a single issue from base.com)

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3 hours ago, sofasurfer said:

Right...I want to cancel my Amazon order as it's the boring grey one and go for the Neon one at Argos but am worried about launch day delivery. Anyone got any experience with them on consoles?

 

First time I have ordered a launch day console with them so don't know, however they take your cash straight away unlike Amazon if that's a concern?

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1 hour ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

The Wii U, while being an excellent machine, was too much of a mixed message - I loved the off screen play but then you had games that couldn't do this at all so it really did suffer but the Switch is a clear message, the same game works on the telly and as a portable machine.

 

You keep saying about Nintendo selling a home console at a premium when they're not, compare the launch price of it to the last three Playstation and one of those its less than half the price - of course if it was £200 then that would be a better price but its got a hell of a lot in the box as it stands and we have a weak pound and the #brexit effect to factor in so a part of that price is out of Nintendos hands.

 

Anyway I guess there is little point, you don't like Nintendo and I do so natural bias is going to colour our discussions and neither of us can see into the future!

I love Nintendo and can't believe what a clusterfuck the switch release is.  Of course I would be getting one at launch if not for a few things

 

1   I m skint until august when my holiday is paid off

2.  Zelda is on the wiiu

3.  I feel that Nintendo haven't got a clue apart from the hardware design 

 

as as someone who does play third party titles on my wiiu I would like to see Ubisoft, square Enix etc releasing games on the switch.  Alas that doesn't seem to be the case

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18 minutes ago, ashmatuk said:

Nintendo is run by the hut group who also run zavvi. 

 

Edit: not sure if that's still the case?!

 

 

It is, although I don't think it's that obvious from looking at the site. And despite some people seeing that as a bad thing I've used both the Nintendo site and a couple of their other sites recently and all orders were pretty quick at arriving. The only thing I've ever found to be negative about them (The Hut) is that it didn't use to be particularly easy to return anything, but they may have changed that now. 

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1 hour ago, rgraves said:

"Barely qualifies as current gen" :rolleyes:  - I think that lets us all know what's really driving you here.

 

There is plenty about the Switch that is next gen. If you want to say it's all about raw horsepower then I guess the PSP wiped the floor with the DS and the Vita did the same with the 3DS. It's just not all about that one single thing. Well, unless that one single thing is software - which is the single biggest factor for any platform IMO. It'll be the software that either gives Switch life, or kills it stone dead - not the number of polygons it can push, or the fact that it can't do 4K HDR.

 

The switch is a next generation machine - it's offering a significant power upgrade over anything that you've previously been able to leave your home with in such a seamless way. What exactly were you expecting - a PS4 level handheld with a 25 hour battery life for £99?

 

Nope, don't give a flying fuck about console power.  The Dreamcast was my main console from 2000 till 2010 and the 360 from 2010 till present and I'm still happy with it.  But does the average consumer? Of course they do and you'd be kidding yourself if it doesn't play a part in a decision to buy a new console.  And its a big decision as to whether third parties decide to put some effort into developing new games for it also.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

But I think its a brilliant solution, playing full games anywhere in the house or away from the house is something I'm more excited about than VR - we both only have an opinion on it but you are claiming it all as fact - launch price is always high for any new console these days be it handheld or home, if the Switch is priced as a home console its actually on the cheap side.

 

The Vita was the solution as well, amazing piece of kit practically a home console capable of modern games (Killzone comes to mind) but.... it failed. This portable aspect isn't that good a thing, if people want to play games on the go there's mobile otherwise the Nvidia Shield would be excelling in sales which it isn't. 

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27 minutes ago, Lorfarius said:

 

The Vita was the solution as well, amazing piece of kit practically a home console capable of modern games (Killzone comes to mind) but.... it failed. This portable aspect isn't that good a thing, if people want to play games on the go there's mobile otherwise the Nvidia Shield would be excelling in sales which it isn't. 

 

It was/is a machine that really is flawed beyond belief, I love mine despite all its faults but not having enough buttons is unforgivable let alone the awful analogue sticks - I think the Vita is one of the biggest misses of all time, it really could have been special but Sony really fucked it up on the design and then abandoned  it when it was clear it was going to be destroyed by a cheaper & less powerful machine.

 

While we are on the subject of the Vita, its software issue was trying to do home console games on the move - it didnt have the power to do PS3 ports or the correct number of buttons but still ports were made or similar games made to keep the brand name - it became a great machine when it binned off the idea of home console ports and became a handheld machine for indie games.

 

I really do think the Switch could be special because it can be the machine the Vita tried to be but didnt have a hope due to poor design and then some - it really is down to Nintendo getting software on it, indie support is looking good but we need prices - of the 50+ games I 'own' on the vita I think I've only paid for a couple so no chance Nintendo will follow that model of giving games away!

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3 hours ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

People don't go shopping for a console that can be used away from the home thinking 'ohhh £280 and it does what I want it to do but at £200 the PS4 seems better value even if it doesnt do what I want it to do'

 

Its almost like you can't compare the machines like for like in a way...

 

But if you want something portable to play games you'll get a lot of people then looking at iPads or Android tablets. No, they won't play full releases, but they do a lot of other stuff Nintendo won't let the Switch di. You've now limited your market to those who want (almost) full fat current gen games on the go. Vita seemed to prove there wasn't a huge market for this, and it was Nintendo that always exploited the fact people wanted something different from handheld games.

 

Which leaves off screen play. It's a great feature but I'm not sure it's a killer feature, if it hampers 3rd party support.

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