Nintendo Switch

[MojoChin]

15 minutes ago, daifuco said:

A Switch for £280 is not that expensive, but unlike mobile phones or chelsea tractors you can't fool yourself thinking that it is an  useful tool. 

Hate to be the grammar police but "an useful tool" is wrong and my brain hurts just looking at it. It has a y-sound and therefore is "a useful tool".

 

Anyway, carry on.

[Shimmyhill]

Its relative isn't it, Gamecube was £129 as everyone likes to point out but then the PS3 was $650 but that gets a free pass of course

[gone fishin]

4 hours ago, VN1X said:

 

Boom.

Arcade Archives sounds interesting (I believe it's got Double Dragon, Contra and the likes). I wonder if Metal Slug 3 and King of Fighters 98 are standalone or VC releases? 

 

Wonder Boy and Monster Boy should be interesting too...  

 

Anyway, there seems to be a more decent mix of titles in there. I was going to say that Nintendo will have to up their first party release schedule, but then I counted the amount of releases they have for 2017: Zelda, 1-2 Switch, Mario Kart 8, Snipper Clips, Arms, Splatoon 2, Super Mario Odyssey, Xenoblade 2 - 8 isn't that bad a number for the first 9 months (and when you've got a new Zelda, Mario and Xenoblade game, those are 3 time consuming biggies!) And then in 2018 there's Fire Emblem, Pokemon and I presume they're publishing No More Heroes (like Bayonetta 2).

 

The first few months might be tough however, but if they're demonstrating upcoming games then it at least makes people happier with their purchase (I'm probably going to pick one up in July as a birthday present.. cough... for my son.. ok a joint one...)

 

EDIT: Wow, NBA 2K18 - now I feel really old. Jesus I remember NBA 2K on the Dreamcast!! Now it's the 18th release?? Shit!!

[sofasurfer]

Right...I want to cancel my Amazon order as it's the boring grey one and go for the Neon one at Argos but am worried about launch day delivery. Anyone got any experience with them on consoles?

[Oh Danny Boy]

2 hours ago, daifuco said:

A Switch for £280 is not that expensive, but unlike mobile phones or chelsea tractors you can't fool yourself thinking that it is an  useful tool. 

 

Its also not expensive in comparison to a car. But in comparison to other consoles it is.  Accessories and software even more so. Either Nintendo are trying to fleece early adopters for every penny they can get or they genuinely believe that the Switch will be a success at that price in which they are deluded. 

[Not Thread Owner]

2 hours ago, Shimmyhill said:

Its relative isn't it, Gamecube was £129 as everyone likes to point out but then the PS3 was $650 but that gets a free pass of course

 

And £129 then is £200 now.

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

280gpb/310eu is fine.

 

As soon as the games are there, I'll be over this like a rash.

[Xevious]

5 hours ago, joffocakes said:

EDIT: In reply to rgraves USFII chat.

 

Yeah, I suspect it's a JoyCon motion controlled mini-game? They have said there are other modes to be revealed at a later date.

 

They recently announced arcade mode with Arcade Standby so that other players can challenge you as you play through arcade mode.

 

They also mentioned inviting people from your friends list to matches in-game as well. I think some people thought that might have to be done via the smartphone app.

 

All lies.  RubberJohnny has been very clear that this is just a palette swap from other SF2 games.

 

[RubberJohnny]

I do wonder what I've done that apparently wound Xevious up so much, because this is like passive aggressive dig #9

[g wings]

One more dig and he will stop I'm sure, he just wants a top 10 to choose from

[Shimmyhill]

16 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

Its also not expensive in comparison to a car. But in comparison to other consoles it is.  Accessories and software even more so. Either Nintendo are trying to fleece early adopters for every penny they can get or they genuinely believe that the Switch will be a success at that price in which they are deluded. 

 

Its not expensive compared to the current price of a Neo Geo or the Atari Jaguar - I assume as you are comparing it to current price of years old consoles its fair income to pick some years old consoles to compare it being cheap to....

 

Accessories and games are the same price/cheaper than the RRP of the Xbone and PS4 were on launch so technically the prices are cheaper because of inflation.

 

To conclude, compared to penny chew its astronomically expensive and as thats not something id thought about before I may cancel my preorder.

 

 

[kensei]

9 hours ago, joe bazooka said:

Christ. Do you have weird arbitrary limits when purchasing other things? What's the maximum you're prepared to spend on a vacuum cleaner? £127?

 

Just say you don't really want one at the moment, instead of bullshit about a few quid here and there. It's fine. I don't really want a PS4. If it was £30 I might get one. That's not to say I think it's overpriced now. I just don't really want one so it'd need to be piss cheap.

 

I want a Switch though. Oh fuck do I want a Switch.

 

Of course I've arbitrary limits on vacuum cleaners. Otherwise I'd buy a Dyson Robot Cleaner for £600 or whatever insane amount it is. Everyone has some point where they tap out for basically any product. See supply and demand curves.

 

I can get a vacuum cleaner that basically does the same job as a super Dyson for much less. And I already have enough devices that can scratch the videogame itch nevermind having to get another one. I can spend the £300 on something else.

 

I can get Zelda on my Wii U, so even if that is the most awesome game ever, I still don't have to get a Switch for it. Back to value proposition.

[BarryL85]

9 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

Its also not expensive in comparison to a car. But in comparison to other consoles it is.  Accessories and software even more so. Either Nintendo are trying to fleece early adopters for every penny they can get or they genuinely believe that the Switch will be a success at that price in which they are deluded. 

 

Are we talking launch prices or consoles that are 3+ years old? The PS4 Pro is also a new console and it's £350. 

 

I really can't understand why anyone can believe £280 is such an expensive price for a console that is a massively powerful gaming tablet that technically has two controllers in the box. What were people really expecting £200, plus a game? Crazy.

 

 

[joffocakes]

39 minutes ago, Xevious said:

All lies.  RubberJohnny has been very clear that this is just a palette swap from other SF2 games.

 

I mean, they're not incorrect if they said that, really. It probably wouldn't be a good idea to make a new Street Fighter II game which didn't look like Street Fighter II, though.

 

I am interested in what more they bring to the game. I'm glad they're adding touch-screen shortcuts for special moves because it gives players who have difficulty with the old-school inputs access to special moves without a frustrating learning curve. Unlike SFIV 3D Edition there will be a cooldown period for Charge special moves, like Sonic Boom/Flash Kick, so there will be fewer impossible Guile players online.

[rgraves]

21 minutes ago, BarryL85 said:

Are we talking launch prices or consoles that are 3+ years old? The PS4 Pro is also a new console and it's £350.

Exactly. Wasn't PS4 £349 on launch? And XB1 was about £420?.

[Oh Danny Boy]

19 minutes ago, BarryL85 said:

 

Are we talking launch prices or consoles that are 3+ years old? The PS4 Pro is also a new console and it's £350. 

 

I really can't understand why anyone can believe £280 is such an expensive price for a console that is a massively powerful gaming tablet that technically has two controllers in the box. What were people really expecting £200, plus a game? Crazy.

 

 

 

Nintendo don't have the same pull as the PlayStation brand. They could barely flog the WiiU. They have no chance with an even more expensive console with a new hook.  

 

£280 for the console is a huge commitment for most, I can't see Nintendo having the audience to make that commitment for the Switch to be a success. 

[Oh Danny Boy]

10 minutes ago, rgraves said:

Exactly. Wasn't PS4 £349 on launch? And XB1 was about £420?.

 

People don't go shopping thinking  "what a bargain the Switch is! The PS4 was £349 at launch!" No, they see that the PS4 is £200 and has a far superior software selection and make a decision based on that.  Nintendo if they want to be competitive have to price their hardware accordingly. 

 

 

[rgraves]

5 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

Nintendo don't have the same pull as the PlayStation brand. They could barely flog the WiiU. They have no chance with an even more expensive console with a new hook.  

 

£280 for the console is a huge commitment for most, I can't see Nintendo having the audience to make that commitment for the Switch to be a success. 

I don't think the strength of the Nintendo brand is an issue - they've sold plenty of 3DS hardware for example, and Mario is about as big a name as it gets in the market.

 

The price will be a non-issue if they get the right software out there.

[Shimmyhill]

5 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

People don't go shopping thinking  "what a bargain the Switch is! The PS4 was £349 at launch!" No they see that the PS4 is £200 and has a far superior software selection and make a decision based on that.  Nintendo if they want to be competitive have to price their hardware accordingly. 

 

 

 

People don't go shopping for a console that can be used away from the home thinking 'ohhh £280 and it does what I want it to do but at £200 the PS4 seems better value even if it doesnt do what I want it to do'

 

Its almost like you can't compare the machines like for like in a way...

[rgraves]

3 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

People don't go shopping thinking  "what a bargain the Switch is! The PS4 was £349 at launch!" No, they see that the PS4 is £200 and has a far superior software selection and make a decision based on that.  Nintendo if they want to be competitive have to price their hardware accordingly.

So the PS5 will have to launch at a lower price than the PS4 is selling for at that point in time? It'll have a far worse software library at that point after all.....

[Oh Danny Boy]

4 minutes ago, rgraves said:

So the PS5 will have to launch at a lower price than the PS4 is selling for at that point in time? It'll have a far worse software library at that point after all.....

 

I think you are pulling at straws there or do I have to explain the difference between a next generation console and one that barely qualifies as current gen? Power wise at least.

[Radish]

Aside from which generation you think the Switch belongs to, the PS4 to PS5 is also clearly a much simpler thing to market. 

[Oh Danny Boy]

5 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

People don't go shopping for a console that can be used away from the home thinking 'ohhh £280 and it does what I want it to do but at £200 the PS4 seems better value even if it doesnt do what I want it to do'

 

Its almost like you can't compare the machines like for like in a way...

 

That only depends if the market for a console that is both portable and a home console big enough, big enough that lots of people are willing to pay £280 for. I think the Switch is an answer to a problem that really doesn't exist.

 

In the end it's priced as a home console so the market will judge it accordingly.

[mushashi]

6 hours ago, gizmo1990 said:

 

Hope there is (there won't be) as releasing a 25 year old title as a major(?) launch game is nuts. Even the 3DS got a (awesome) port of SF4 and straight port of that would be better than what we're getting. Heck, why not 5 even!? Does Sony have complete exclusivity still?

 

Some bloke on NeoGAF was mentioning his theory that the Nintendo Switch plan was basically a nostalgia play to capture the lapsed gamer, choosing an iconic title from the 90s would fit into that theory, along with stuff like Bomberman being revived for it, so some merit to his theory, here's his summary:

 

 

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Starting to notice a pattern yet? Switch’s lineup is tailor-made for gamers who haven’t been adequately served in today’s market — neither by the Industry nor by Nintendo. Specifically, it’s targeting gamers from distinct eras:
 

•     The NES era — open-world adventure (Breath of the Wild, Minecraft), retro side-scrolling platformer (Shovel Knight)
•  
•     The SNES era — Battle arenas in Mario Kart (Mario Kart 8 Deluxe), classic-style Sonic (Sonic Mania), JRPGs (Dragon Quest, I Am Setsuna, Project Octopath Traveler, Shin Megami Tensei), a freaking Bomberman revival (Super Bomberman R), F-Zero-like futuristic racers (Fast RMX, Redout), farming sim (Stardew Valley)
•  
•     The N64 era — sandbox-style 3D platformer (Super Mario Odyssey, Yooka-Laylee)

 
We haven’t seen a console’s core lineup focus on these kinds of games — and, consequently, target these kinds of players — since DS and Wii. That’s not to say Switch is a console for casual players or non-gamers. Instead, it’s a console that gives top priority to the content and players that the Industry and Nintendo had generally left behind.

 

 

https://medium.com/@legendoflex/nintendo-switch-isnt-for-hardcore-gamers-35f110a73df8?source=linkShare-84d5d0e2e9c1-1484495503

[Doomguy]

Man, I loved SFII HD. Some of the stage remixes were great. There's still the odd character animation that is really jarring (looking at Guile in particular) but sped up I imagine it's less noticeable. 

 

Saying all that, the dream remake would still be Street Fighter III. The same HD treatment by the same team who did behind SFII HD? Yes!

 

...and I'm aware it would take a good while given each move has about 7 billion frames of animation but just look at this... come on!

 

:

 

 

 

[Oh Danny Boy]

18 minutes ago, rgraves said:

I don't think the strength of the Nintendo brand is an issue - they've sold plenty of 3DS hardware for example, and Mario is about as big a name as it gets in the market.

 

The price will be a non-issue if they get the right software out there.

 

The Nintendo brand isn't as strong in the home console market. Mario, Mario kart etc couldn't flog the WiiU to any more than the dozen or so who bought one. Nintendo's handhelds have generally been successful with a younger market who can afford the lower RRP and are more charmed by the family friendly software.

 

The Switch is priced at those who buy the newest PS4, it's a market Nintendo have little success in. A market that wants a large and varied software selection, lots of grunt in their console and a good reliable online system. The Switch currently offers none of that. 

[Shimmyhill]

3 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

That only depends if the market for a console that is both portable and a home console big enough, big enough that lots of people are willing to pay £280 for. I think the Switch is an answer to a problem that really doesn't exist.

 

In the end it's priced as a home console so the market will judge it accordingly.

 

But I think its a brilliant solution, playing full games anywhere in the house or away from the house is something I'm more excited about than VR - we both only have an opinion on it but you are claiming it all as fact - launch price is always high for any new console these days be it handheld or home, if the Switch is priced as a home console its actually on the cheap side.

 

I think it has no issue with launch price, its sold out and predicted to out sell the PS4 on launch day based on some reseller figures for allocations - its real issue is can it sustain that level and that comes down to software and is very little to do with price.

[Oh Danny Boy]

1 minute ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

But I think its a brilliant solution, playing full games anywhere in the house or away from the house is something I'm more excited about than VR - we both only have an opinion on it but you are claiming it all as fact - launch price is always high for any new console these days be it handheld or home, if the Switch is priced as a home console its actually on the cheap side.

 

I think it has no issue with launch price, its sold out and predicted to out sell the PS4 on launch day based on some reseller figures for allocations - its real issue is can it sustain that level and that comes down to software and is very little to do with price.

 

Wasn't that the WiiUs hook? Except now you can take it out of the home. It didn't capture the markets imagination then and I'll be shocked if it does now. 

 

Price is everything, one reason the Wii and DS was so successful because it was cheaper than its competitors and was at a price that people were willing to take a chance on it for. No one bought the 3DS at its original RRP and I doubt the Wii would have had the same level of success at £280. 

 

If Nintendo want people to take a chance on the Switch it should have been £200 max.  There are so many pointless bells and whistles on the thing that I'm sure that they could have met that price if they cut back on the hardware.

 

Basically I believe that Nintendo can not sell a home console at a premium. The market isn't there for them. Some might disagree but I'd be surprised if Nintendo maintain sales post launch.

[HarryBizzle]

12 minutes ago, Stevedave said:

Man, I loved SFII HD. Some of the stage remixes were great. There's still the odd character animation that is really jarring (looking at Guile in particular) but sped up I imagine it's less noticeable. 

 

Saying all that, the dream remake would still be Street Fighter III. The same HD treatment by the same team who did behind SFII HD? Yes!

 

...and I'm aware it would take a good while given each move has about 7 billion frames of animation but just look at this... come on!

 

:

 

 

 

On the Giant Bombcast last week they mentioned that originally they wanted to do an HD Remix of Alpha 3 but the roster was too big so they did 2 instead. 

[BarryL85]

34 minutes ago, Oh Danny Boy said:

 

Nintendo don't have the same pull as the PlayStation brand. They could barely flog the WiiU. They have no chance with an even more expensive console with a new hook.  

 

£280 for the console is a huge commitment for most, I can't see Nintendo having the audience to make that commitment for the Switch to be a success. 

 

Well cost is not the issue for you then it's value. 

 

The largest Swedish retailer has reported preorder numbers have surpassed that of the PS4....

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/NintendoSwitch/comments/5pvjp5/retailer_in_sweden_switch_already_surpassed_ps4/

 

This is in no way reflective of how successful this console might be but it's surely positive news. 

 

The Wii U failed for many reasons, what you fail to see is that Nintendo dominate the handheld market and this is not only a home console not to mention there has been massive interest for the Switch already, I remember pre Wii U release, there was no buzz like this surrounding it.