TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Considering grown men were falling over themselves in a mad frenzy to get hold of a small plastic box with a controller on a 3ft lead that would play 30 games that were 30 years old of which 20 probably get boring after 5 minutes, I can kind of understand why Nintendo is sitting on them like a goose on a golden egg. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, gossi the dog said: Isn't this what they've done? I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have Skyrim; FIFA and NBA2K coming out without Nintendo throwing some money around. I mean big hitters, not Aldi versions of games that are either 5 years old and/or last gen shovelware. Stuff like Monster Hunter, a big FROM or Platinum game, Beyond Good & Evil 2 or some other gamers darling. That showreel should have shown these games or games that can measure up to that level to get people wild, even if they weren't all available for launch or the end of this year. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe bazooka Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Super Craig said: Hardly any cost? What? They could stick an old game on the HD with hardly any cost. I would imagine. Keeping in mind they're gonna spend tens of millions advertising the thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chooch Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Any details of the OS come out yet? Wouldn't mind see a run through of all that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, angel said: He's got a point though, Nintendo sit on some of the top IPs in gaming and do nothing with them. Wii sports absolutely sold the Wii by being packed-in, it was even on the news. Pensioners playing Wii Tennis and Bowling, it took over the gaming world for a good year or two..purely by being bundled in. The Wii was the biggest bargain in gaming. I do think they should pack in 1 2 Switch. It looks perfect to demonstrate the consoles features, but, you know, Nintendo. I'm fairly certainly we'll see a pack in with Wii Sports at some point. They really, really should concentrate on Wii Fit again too. If they're prepared for users to access smartphone apps for communication, then there's no reason why they couldn't have a fitness app too to record your outdoor activities and combine it with Wii Fit. That'd be cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulsemyne Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 10 hours ago, dataDave said: You'll get two charges plus out of 10k, I reckon. I can't see it packing more than 5k. It's 4310. So it's very decent for the form factor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Do 71 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Chooch said: Any details of the OS come out yet? Wouldn't mind see a run through of all that stuff. Not yet, but hopefully Nintendo will show it off in the coming weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stanley said: The Wii was the biggest bargain in gaming. I do think they should pack in 1 2 Switch. It looks perfect to demonstrate the consoles features, but, you know, Nintendo. On the other hand, if they had done that the console might have been 300 quid instead of 280. I really don't need that kind of waggle shit with my console, so if they can reduce the price by not including it, I'd rather have that. I never bought Nintendoland either for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBizzle Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, pulsemyne said: It's 4310. So it's very decent for the form factor. Battery life isn't an issue in the slightest for me then. Good to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Skyrim I think is a very silly release, for so many reasons. 99% of any potential audience has already played it, it will be overpriced, and the daftest part of all (on the part of Nintendo in signing it up) is that it will be a clear comparison to the xbone and ps4 special editions - one which it won't come off well in, not graphically, price wise, mod wise, control wise, everything. It's a bonkers decision I cannot believe has occurred. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe bazooka Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, Napole0n said: On the other hand, if they had done that the console might haven 300 quid instead of 280. I really don't need that kind of waggle shit with my console, so if they can reduce the price by not including it, I'd rather have that. I never bought Nintendoland either for example. Mario Chase is the most fun. NintendoLand didn't have much 'waggle'. You fucked up, again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe bazooka Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 1 minute ago, angel said: Skyrim I think is a very silly release, for so many reasons. 99% of any potential audience has already played it, it will be overpriced, and the daftest part of all (on the part of Nintendo in signing it up) is that it will be a clear comparison to the xbone and ps4 special editions - one which it won't come off well in, not graphically, price wise, mod wise, control wise, everything. It's a bonkers decision I cannot believe has occurred. They did it last time with Batman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 6 minutes ago, Napole0n said: On the other hand, if they had done that the console might have been 300 quid instead of 280. I really don't need that kind of waggle shit with my console, so if they can reduce the price by not including it, I'd rather have that. I never bought Nintendoland either for example. The cost of including the software wouldn't have to increase the price of the package overall, it could just be absorbed by Nintendo. There'd be nothing physical extra in the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, joe bazooka said: They did it last time with Batman. Yeah but at least Batman compared favourably with the 360 version. It's not certain yet which version of Skyrim we're getting yet mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdn2 Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 minutes ago, angel said: Skyrim I think is a very silly release, for so many reasons. 99% of any potential audience has already played it, it will be overpriced, and the daftest part of all (on the part of Nintendo in signing it up) is that it will be a clear comparison to the xbone and ps4 special editions - one which it won't come off well in, not graphically, price wise, mod wise, control wise, everything. It's a bonkers decision I cannot believe has occurred. Except I can play Skyrim in places other than at home. That's a big draw for some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 I hope Bethesda do more stuff on Switch, like, principally, DOOM. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strafe Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 27 minutes ago, Napole0n said: If I was Nintendo I would have thrown a considerable stack of cash at some highly regarded third parties to make sure both the launch lineup as the first year would have a couple of big hitters. Nintendo has deep pockets, they can easily afford it. They're unwilling to spend money (well they are but you know what I mean). It's mad because Sony and MS selling hardware at a loss is a big reason they managed to attract a big audience so quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Broker Posted January 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2017 I love this idea that it's fine for Nintendo to charge massively for their games because that's how valuable they are. Take a look at VC sales figures if Nintendo aren't too embarrassed to release them, charging disgusting prices for their old games and thinking having their old games for a month is the same kind of value that three PlayStation or Xbox games forever is is the kind of stupid arrogance that lead to the Wii U selling five consoles worldwide over its lifespan. The fact that they are expecting us to pay them a monthly subscription for the type of laughably bad release schedules they specialise in tells you everything. If they don't acknowledge that I've already paid them twice for all those SNES games through the VC then they're not getting any of my money for their shitty online services. They've made enough noise about understanding the need for accounts. Show us you actually mean it by transferring our Wii U and 3DS purchases or fuck off. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Nasty Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, mdn2 said: Except I can play Skyrim in places other than at home. That's a big draw for some. Yes, both of those people will be delighted. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe bazooka Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Stanley said: Yeah but at least Batman compared favourably with the 360 version. It's not certain yet which version of Skyrim we're getting yet mind. Coming out a 6 months or a year later, or whatever it was with Batman, is not comparing favourably, even if it ran a bit better, which I don't think it did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stanley Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Just now, joe bazooka said: Coming out a 6 months or a year later, or whatever it was with Batman, is not comparing favourably, even if it ran a bit better, which I don't think it did. It ran fine as far as I remember. Performance wasn't an issue. But as Angel says, Skyrim SE is much improved graphically over the original. So take the 6 months to year for Batman and increase it to six years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gorf King Posted January 14, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted January 14, 2017 7 hours ago, scottcr said: The joycon has 20 hour life apparently... you can power the entire console from a USB power pack. I'm lucky to get 4 hours out of my phone!!!! Good point! 9 hours ago, Harsin said: Having to use a separate smartphone app for voice chat confirmed by Reggie with some truly tortuous reasoning. Quote The reason for that is, it continues to reinforce our commitment to online, and do so in a way that will enable the consumer to enjoy their Nintendo Switch and to still be able to play those connected experiences—like Splatoon, like Kart, like fill in the blank—while they’re on the go. Instead of having some sort of bulky gamer headset, you’ll be able to do it right off your smartphone, put in your earbuds that you use for your standard mobile device. We think that’s a pretty sweet solution. That’s part of the overall opportunity that we see in a subscription service. Ah. I suppose it's usual for console launches, but there's some impressive mental gymnastics going on to justify a purchase. Zelda would have done it were it not available cheaper for Wii U, but stuff like the online capabilities are clearly half-baked and it's pretty funny to see the attempts at justification coming out (lol at deKay's 'friend/message management' being easier on iPhone than PS4 when replying to someone who's talking about the whole party management of the system. Like, do you throw your game invites or join other lobbies from the iPhone too, and do all the party chat on that through Skype or something? Because that's what you'll have to do on Switch - or, rather, off it, while the battery on your iPhone is still up to it). Like Harsin says, there's a world of difference between an optional app that can do some of the online stuff and a system that only lets you do online lobbies, parties, invites and comms through a separate mobile device - and which is a paid-for service. I suppose we'll be hearing next that it's a good thing you only get to rent a single S/NES game for a month for the fee, because we all have busy lives and Nintendo recognise that we don't have enough free time to play more than one game a month. I'm not ruling out a Switch purchase myself later in the year - and if Mario ends up looking good it's a sure thing - but some of the bullshit already coming out about the system's limited online functionality isn't even remotely convincing ('bulky gamer headset', lol - as if you can't use earbuds on a PS4/Xbox if you want to sacrifice the features and quality of a dedicated headset). It doesn't inspire much confidence when the excuses for inferior services are already being trotted out before the system's even available. Zelda, sure; Mario (art design quibbles aside), sure; these are almost givens in terms of quality. These form the core of what people buy Nintendo systems for. But there's an awful lot there that's not to like - the already distinct feeling that 3rd parties aren't going to do much with the system being a familiar one - and online's already shaping up to be one of those things. Like the failure to make 1-2-Switch a pack in, it smacks of a wasted opportunity and an exercise in penny-pinching that leaves the system lagging behind the opposition again, right out of the gate. Add me to the growing list of people that is beginning to wish Nintendo would bring some of its often astonishingly great games to platforms that do the power and infrastructure thing so much more professionally. Or, if they are so wedded in their DNA to making their own hardware, that they'd just do another Gamecube and make a powerful, cheap machine without any of the 'innovations' that increasingly feel more like desperate attempts to differentiate themselves and/or half-arsed penny-pinching exercises that will not stand up to the competition. Charging for a online service that doesn't even do its parties/lobbies/comms in the hardware you shelled out £280 for, and justifying the charge by giving you a different NES game to rent each month, is one example of this, and it's laughable. Imagine if MK8+ or Splatoon 2 were coming out on PS4 and Xbox this year - there's not a single thing their controllers or systems would do to make the games play worse, and you'd have all that lovely online functionality built into the console, and no need to buy yet another console and pay yet another monthly sub (seriously - who wants to do that for the Nintendo service whose online will surely apply to a tiny selection of titles?). They'd both sell an absolute shitload. I suspect the real reason they won't is that they'd not get many takers for 1-2-Switch at £40 or that Punchout game for £50 on those platforms. Whereas on a system starved of titles, people will justify the pricing of just about anything they can get to justify the purchase of the machine itself and its sub for a below-par online functionality. It's the sort of thing that - despite my love for the cream of Nintendo's titles - has put me off the buying into the company's approach over the past few years. You kinda feel they're taking the piss a bit, using the very best of what they do - which is exceptional - to hook you into a bunch of other inferior products, without which the initial outlay would seem excessive and the overall system somewhat barren of titles. And of course they're able to completely control the pricing of those titles, with little or no opposition/competition. Maybe I'm wrong in feeling that, but one thing I'm sure I'm not wrong on is that the paid online system relying on other expensive devices to work fully is taking the piss. The arguments attempting to justify the approach couldn't be more specious. 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angel Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, joe bazooka said: They did it last time with Batman. And COD, they're mad. 10 minutes ago, mdn2 said: Except I can play Skyrim in places other than at home. That's a big draw for some. You could play it on a toaster of a laptop, or a tablet with bluetooth pad, it's a very odd 2017 release on a new system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgraves Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 More details to come on transferring previous content etc from VC: Quote W: Is there going to be a discount for us if we buy the games again on Switch? Fils-Aime: What I would say first is, we recognize that some of our most passionate fans have spent quite a bit, whether it’s with Virtual Console on Wii or Wii U, and we recognize that consumers are rightly concerned about moving to Nintendo Switch without backward compatibility. My comment is: Stay tuned, we understand the concern, more information to come. There’s 40-some odd days between now and launch. There are more details to come. And at that point we’ll be able to define all of those various details of that online experience. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_debaser Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Bit non-committal but at least he didn't rule it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nespresso Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Does this have an optical output btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broker Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 If those details aren't "anyone stupid enough to have paid us £10 for Mario World in the last five years can play it for free on Switch whenever they like" he can fuck himself. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Craig Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 The Wii U didn't, so I'll be surprised if this does. Surround was PCM over HDMI there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidWalian Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 Does the Switch support suspend and resume? Surely it does...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rgraves Posted January 14, 2017 Share Posted January 14, 2017 5 minutes ago, Broker said: If those details aren't "anyone stupid enough to have paid us £10 for Mario World in the last five years can play it for free on Switch whenever they like" he can fuck himself. It's not gonna be free is it, I think we all know that. But if they follow previous form and just charge around £1-2 I think that's OK personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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