Nintendo Switch

[JPickford]

2 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

I'm basing that on this, that's the correct Wii U figure, right?

 

 

 

Yeah I think that's right.  But the machine is obviously performing better because we've seen Zelda running on it.   So that figure is obviously not the whole story.   We know the CPU is better which is probably a big part of it.   And we know the GPU can do 16bit precision at double speed for some stuff.  Switch also (likely) has a lot more RAM.   And streaming from cards is much faster than from disk.    

[NEG]

Does any of this confirm Wetrix Switch?

[RubberJohnny]

And it's 720p only, which needs like half the power anyway, which is what the original post said...

 

I like that this completely destroys the moaning about an unfair narrative "ignoring stuff that doesn't fit" because it was made up.

[Cyhwuhx]

After SCART and SKU it pleases me to announce that as of today, GFLOPS is indicted into the Rllmuk Acronym Hall of Shame.

[Yoshimax]

37 minutes ago, Napole0n said:

Indeed. This thread is getting just as shit as the Xbox and Super Mario Run one where any word of criticism or doubt about design decisions is immediately shot down by fuming fanmen. Get a grip. It's a piece of metal, glass and plastic with a brand on it, not the Holy Virgin. And of course we're all going to buy it anyway.

 

You spelt "The Last Guardian" wrong.

[Alex W.]

So:

 

Undocked, it's as powerful as the WiiU, but only needs to drive half the pixels, so it's effectively twice as fast.

Docked, it's twice as powerful as the WiiU, driving the same amount of pixels, so it's twice as fast.

 

In any scenario it's going to leave the WiiU in the dust.

[Alex W.]

1 minute ago, Cyhwuhx said:

After SCART and SKU it pleases me to announce that as of today, GFLOPS is indicted into the Rllmuk Acronym Hall of Shame.

 

SCART is a perfectly good word, and at least it's an acronym rather than an intialism.

 

Nobody says "skoo" or "guflops" do they?

[JohnC]

I know someone who may be interested in Gigaflopping.

[NEG]

I pronounce it ski-ew

[Cyhwuhx]

1 minute ago, Alex W. said:

 

SCART is a perfectly good word, and at least it's an acronym rather than an intialism.

 

Nobody says "skoo" or "guflops" do they?

Don't they?

[Alex W.]

2 minutes ago, Cyhwuhx said:

Don't they?

 

God is dead.

[gizmo1990]

34 minutes ago, JPickford said:

 

Isn't this just about them clocking the GPU lower than expected?  Would that save them money?

 

I thought it was more about getting decent battery life (the undocked speed).   The docked speed is 2.5ish times that so performance will be near-enough identical at 1080p.

 

Well I just mean via the news of it not being pascal based, which would have bumped the price up I presume. Unless I'm missing some new rumour or other.

I think it's a good choice, sensible.

[JPickford]

Right.  I'm not up on that stuff.  But it's a custom chip isn't it?  Based on Maxwell.   And Pascal is also based on Maxwell?

 

I've seen people suggest the new chip would be smaller and cheaper but I don't know enough to comment.

[joe bazooka]

Nvidia are giving Nintendo the best fucking chip possible and they're taking a hit on the cost, obviously, because they want a long term partnership with Nintendo. So this chip will be the best chip possible. Forget Pascal, forget the other one. This chip they've made for Nintendo is really a fucking tremendous chip. Obviously there's some compromise on power because it needs a decent battery life but rest assured there could not be a better chip for this job. That's all you need to know.

[Alex W.]

Given that Nintendo need a few million of them I suspect volume will have played a part in whatever decisions they've made too.

[TehStu]

2 hours ago, JPL said:

I really don't know. There are so many factors involved, it's impossible to predict how third party support will pan out. Personally I'm just going to treat it as a Nintendo player and anything past that is a bonus.

That's a good point, actually. Funnily enough, I don't think we need another TV-based console per se, but there are 3 DSs in the house.

[JPL]

1 minute ago, TehStu said:

That's a good point, actually. Funnily enough, I don't think we need another TV-based console per se, but there are 3 DSs in the house.

Everything else of any note will be available on PS4 or Xbox anyway, so it's really not worth worrying about.

 

I do have my reservations about it being a handheld as well as a home console, but I'm not judging it until we know the full info.

 

I'm just looking forward to playing some Nintendo games again.

[JohnnyRyall]

Amid all the Nintendo is doomed talk, I'm curious: what exactly does this thing have to sell in order to be considered a success? Obviously it won't be hard to beat Wii U numbers, but if we also consider it a successor to the 3DS, which to date has shipped 60 million (and which is considered a flop compared to its predecessor), should we assume that the Switch has to do similar numbers over the course of 4-5 years? That would put it on a par with the PS4, which seems wildly fantastical on one level, but then on another level it would still represent a decline when compared to Nintendo's previous handhelds.

[bobontheway]

All I Monster Hunter want from Switch is Monster Hunter a console most (and eventually Monster Hunter all) of Nintendo's dev teams Monster Hunter are developing for.

I couldn't have said it any better myself.


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[Lorfarius]

What if the millions of chips are just for the controllers? 

[Opinionated Ham Scarecrow]

29 minutes ago, joe bazooka said:

Nvidia are giving Nintendo the best fucking chip possible and they're taking a hit on the cost, obviously, because they want a long term partnership with Nintendo. So this chip will be the best chip possible. Forget Pascal, forget the other one. This chip they've made for Nintendo is really a fucking tremendous chip. Obviously there's some compromise on power because it needs a decent battery life but rest assured there could not be a better chip for this job. That's all you need to know.

 

Make Nintendo great again!

[Purin]

Day fucking one. That's all I'm going to say on this chip business.

[RubberJohnny]

33 minutes ago, JohnnyRyall said:

Amid all the Nintendo is doomed talk, I'm curious: what exactly does this thing have to sell in order to be considered a success? Obviously it won't be hard to beat Wii U numbers, but if we also consider it a successor to the 3DS, which to date has shipped 60 million (and which is considered a flop compared to its predecessor), should we assume that the Switch has to do similar numbers over the course of 4-5 years? That would put it on a par with the PS4, which seems wildly fantastical on one level, but then on another level it would still represent a decline when compared to Nintendo's previous handhelds.

 

They want 100 million devices out there, which was the Wii U goal as well.

 

It's nice to want things...

[pulsemyne]

1 hour ago, JPickford said:

Right.  I'm not up on that stuff.  But it's a custom chip isn't it?  Based on Maxwell.   And Pascal is also based on Maxwell?

 

I've seen people suggest the new chip would be smaller and cheaper but I don't know enough to comment.

Nividia say it's a custom tegra chip with people saying it's based on maxwell. Pascal (used in the new 10 series graphics cards) is very much just maxwell except for more power efficient thanks to chip being made using 16nm width instead of the 28 maxwell used. Now Tegra X1 is already a shrunk version of maxwell (using 20nm instead of 28) but people wanted the one in switch to be based on Pascal as it uses an even more efficient process.

The main difference between Pascal and maxwell was that thanks to the shrink Pascal cards can clock much higher than maxwell cards could. The did the same things the same way in how the chip worked but they could go faster and use less electricity doing it.

A good example in this is the difference between the old 980ti graphics card and the new 1070GTX card. Essentially they perform about the same in games, with a slight difference here and there, but there is a big difference in how much energy they use. The 980ti could drink 250 watts at max performance. The 1070GTX eats about 150. So the card performs a bit better with less power usage and high clocks. It can also overclock a lot.

 

As for switch well it will be difficult to say just what customisation has taken place unless they release specific specs. There are some things they could do over the regular X1 tegra that would allow them to have good power at a lower clock speed, but I won't go into that. If they do then the portable mode could be as high as 350 Gflops ish or as low as 150 ish. Either way that's still better than the wiiu (hence Zelda running better even in portable mode)

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

32 minutes ago, JohnnyRyall said:

the 3DS, which to date has shipped 60 million (and which is considered a flop compared to its predecessor)

Is it? While I love all the handheld Nintendos I think the (New) 3DS (XL) is my favourite of the lot. Or maybe a tie with the GBA SP.

[JohnnyRyall]

7 minutes ago, Napole0n said:

Is it? While I love all the handheld Nintendos I think the (New) 3DS (XL) is my favourite of the lot. Or maybe a tie with the GBA SP.

 

I mean purely in terms of the numbers shipped. If I'm not getting my numbers mixed up, the 3DS has sold around one third of what the DS sold.

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

Ah yes, but the DS had the Brain Age effect, like the Wii had Wii Sports with nursing homes buying them and shit. I did like the DS a lot too actually. All Nintendo handhelds are great.

[Nespresso]

can i play call fo duty on the new nitendo ??

[Mr Cochese]

You can, but it's a rhythm action version controlled by a plastic fishing rod.

[Darren]

When I was thinking of the Switch 

I asked Nintendo, what will it be?

Will it be Pascal?

Custom die shrinks?

Here's what they said to me:

 

It's got chips, got chips

Yes it's got chips, got chips

Oh it's got chips, got chips

Yes it's got chips, got chips

 

(repeat to fade)