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RubberJohnny

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15 minutes ago, Clipper said:

It isn't going to happen and this console isn't for those games anyway really, it is a Nintendo machine for playing Nintendo games, that's it. It's been that way for about 20 yrs. I am not sure why anyone would expect it to be different, Nintendo certainly don't as they are ploughing their own furrow

 

We'd expect it to be different because Nintendo can't keep selling to their core audience, that's an audience smaller in size than the Dreamcast at this point and getting smaller. They expected 100 million sales for Wii U and massively under performed, they expect 100 million sales this time too.

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26 minutes ago, Gizamaluke said:

Why on earth do Nintendo continue to spec themselves out of any possibility of current third party support?

I don't think hardware specification has been the thing stopping third parties (WiiU should have got loads of PS3/360 ports, but it didn't). I think it's more to do with how Nintendo handles and works with third parties and the development barriers they put up that the other manufacturers don't. Devkits, tech support, fees, marketing. They aren't very good at all of that compared to the competition.

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they should just release a console with the same power as the Wii U but that tricks your TV into displaying the UHD and HDR icons. Everyone wins.

 

I feel like the switch is still too big to play comfortably on the bus if someone is sitting next to you. Elbows everywhere. Hopefully you'll be able to get a bendy clamp thing to attach it to the seat in front and use the joypods.

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Clipper

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11 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

 

We'd expect it to be different because Nintendo can't keep selling to their core audience, that's an audience smaller in size than the Dreamcast at this point and getting smaller. They expected 100 million sales for Wii U and massively under performed, they expect 100 million sales this time too.

Well the Wii sold shitloads despite poor 3rd party support and not being a traditional console in style of Xbox or PS. There is always a chance of lightning striking again and that is what they are aiming for I suspect. they show and have shown no indication of going for the COD/FIFA/Battlefield/Ass Creed market.

 

I agree that the likelihood of them doing that are tiny. However if they can sell to core Nintendo audience on both the home and portable side with this crossover it should be more sustainable as a platform.

 

 

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Just now, Protocol Penguin said:

Trouble is, the Switch looks already to be an awkward halfway device... Too underpowered to be competitive as a standard console, but also not portable or ubiquitous enough to take on the smartphones and tablets. A niche device from day one.

so a normal Nintendo console then? A niche console sold to Nintendo market to play Nintendo games on.

 

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It's not a repackaged Wii U. Based on these specs, it's twice as powerful in its undocked mode and it's fully portable.

 

The Switch will be a disappointment for those who primarily want it as a traditional home console. That much seemed obvious from the reveal; from the first leaks, even. It'll be another console for Nintendo games and the odd third-party exclusive, which will be enough for some but it's not going to prompt many people to ditch their PS4s. Looked at as a hybrid/portable, however, and it has the potential to be pretty special.

 

As someone who does most of his gaming on portables, I love the idea, but I don't know if it will have the mainstream appeal of the Wii, which is presumably what Nintendo is hoping to recapture.

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RubberJohnny

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It's less powerful in undocked mode than the Wii U. Are you reading Pickfords debunked wish-fulfilment stats instead of the real ones?
 

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PS3: 230 gflops
360: 240 gflops
WiiU: 176 gflops

Switch: 153 gflops (undocked)
Switch: 340 gflops (docked)

 

That does explain the wonky framerate for Breath of the Wild when undocked in the trailer.

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10 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

I'm not sure what you're arguing Clipper, your defence seems to be, "well it's going to do really badly" which is stretching the definition of "defence" a bit.

you are assuming I am defending it as opposed to simply discussing it.

 

I am befuddled as to why anyone would think Nintendo would do anything different to what they did for last 20+ years and suddenly produce a shootymanFIFAasscreed box to compete in the crowded "mainstream" console market.

 

Nintendo will do their own thing til they die.

 

The Wii suceeded, the N64, GC and WiiU all "failed" on some level commercially.

 

The Switch? we don't know... and it is dangerous to predict with Nintendo ... "DS? two screens? what will the 2nd screen be used for..  bah the PSP will wipe the floor with it" .. "The Wii? Waggle? Stupid Name? yeaht hat gimmick won't sell"

 

I don't think it will sell that well, better than WiiU maybe.. but as I say above it is daft to stick your neck out and predict death of Nintendo!

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I read that EG article and I don't get why the specs are gospel all of a sudden, seems we have the same rumours we have had for ages with a caveat they maybe different and clock speeds may not mean these gigafloppydodahs are right.

 

Have I missed something or is it still speculation?

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8 minutes ago, Sprite Machine said:

The Wii got loads of third party support.

im not getting into that argument as it goes something like this

 

Well it was just shit bundles of minigames to sell to all the waggle fans.

no it got fifa and cod etc etc!

yeah cut down shit versions the mainstream  wouldnt ditch their 360s and PS3s for

 

So let us settle it by saying I am referring to 3rd party support that appeals to the mainstream MS/Sony market. My argument being that Nintendo do not appeal to that market and so that sort of 3rd party support is absent.

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30 minutes ago, sir shrew said:

I'd read it was only slightly more powerful than a Wii U and closer to a 360 than an XB1. I took these posts as gospel.

 

You may be right. I had read a lot of sensible-sounding posts on NeoGaf suggesting that it's a notable step-up from the Wii U, and I'm sure even Digital Foundry suggested in their video that it's a meaningful upgrade from the Wii U, just not anything like a portable PS4 or Xbox One as some had hoped.

 

But RubberJohnny's figures suggest otherwise.

 

I don't know. I thought the consensus was that it was somewhere between a Wii U and current home consoles, perhaps it's really much closer to the former.

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12 minutes ago, sir shrew said:

The Gamecube got decent third party support. That Capcom deal. :wub:

(compares GC 3rd party library with PS2 and Xbox and shakes head).

 

At least Xbox got GTA and MGS (eventually)

 

Again my point is that the third party support to help it compete with MS/Sony just isn't there and they aren't interested. So why is everyone clamouring for the machine to rival them in  power, pointless.

 

 

 

I should point out I have owned every nintendo console and loved them all, but I love them for their Nintendo games. If I was depending on them for 3rd party I'd be very disappointed. I never expect them to be chasing the Sony/MS markets.

 

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TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap

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Well, if the Switch is just another underpowered machine but now with traditional controls I can't see why they even bother to release hardware at all if the only USP it has is offering sub-Wii U portability on a screen that might be too large and vulnerable for real world use anyway. Now that Mario on mobile phones is apparently the best thing since sliced bread I'm sure the idea of developing for PS4/Xbone shouldn't be considered as blasphemous as last year, or is it...?

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2 minutes ago, Napole0n said:

Well, if the Switch is just another underpowered machine but now with traditional controls I can't see why they even bother to release hardware at all if the only USP it has is offering sub-Wii U portability on a screen that might be too large and vulnerable for real world use anyway. Now that Mario on mobile phones is apparently the best thing since sliced bread I'm sure the idea of developing for PS4/Xbone shouldn't be considered as blasphemous as last year, or is it...?

To annoy you and the many on here who want to play Nintendo games and not have to buy a Nintendo console :D

 

 

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1 minute ago, Napole0n said:

I guess. I'll get it anyway because my son loves his Nintendo but if it wasn't for him I most likely wouldn't even bother anymore.

or they believe they are producing experiences that only work on their hardware. And they don't want to compromise that experience as they see it.

 

Whether that belief is founded or not is irrelevant it has been nintendo's philosophy since probably the beginning.

 

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The only Nintendo game I'm interested in is Zelda. A Link to the Past was the first game I ever played that made me go 'holy shit' and is a hugely influential game for me personally, and now I haven't played one of them since Twilight Princess over 10 years ago, purely because buying a machine for one game - however good it is - is ridiculous. Nintendo can do what they want, but if that path frustrates the shit out of me, I'm going to say so.

 

I was hoping that this machine may have had a bit more to offer to justify a purchase, but if it's just more of the same first party stuff, then probably not. Of course Nintendo aren't going after MS or Sony, but only the most die hard of fans would suggest a machine with such limited third party support equals consumer value.

 

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RubberJohnny

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49 minutes ago, ashmatuk said:

I don't expect there to be much of a drought with all development efforts focussed on Switch.

 

You'd think they'd have managed better lineup than mostly repackaged Wii U games if that was the case though.

 

37 minutes ago, sir shrew said:

The Gamecube got decent third party support. That Capcom deal. :wub:

 

The Capcom deal where some of the games got cancelled and all the exclusives came out on PS2 anyway?

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I'll buy a Switch, Absolutely no doubt about that. I do love a bit of Nintendo magic. But like WiiU there is no chance whatsoever of this being bought within the first 2 years of release.  I have been burned too many times by Nintendo to be an early adopter of their hardware.

 

I'm not fussed about third party support. I don't buy Nintendo products for third party games.

 

I guess the question is whether Nintendo need third party support or not. Because I see this selling in WiiU numbers as opposed to Wii.

 

6 minutes ago, scottcr said:

Youse are all forgetting that this will be the only device you'll soon be able to get Pokemon or Monster Hunter on..

 

 

You think they wont release another pokemon for the installed 3DS userbase?

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