Nintendo Switch

[Xevious]

7 minutes ago, Harsin said:

It's great how Apple have suddenly gone from the great satan in every Nintendo thread to super gaming best friend because Miyamoto turned up at a keynote to shill iOS endless runner #98927659154.

 

When were Apple seen as the devil incarnate?

[NEG]

5 minutes ago, Xevious said:

 

When were Apple seen as the devil incarnate?

 

Since DongleGate.

[scottcr]

DO NOT QUESTION OUR WAYS

[spanky debrest]

35 minutes ago, Harsin said:

It's great how Apple have suddenly gone from the great satan in every Nintendo thread to super gaming best friend because Miyamoto turned up at a keynote to shill iOS endless runner #98927659154.

 

I find this a weird ass post.

 

I've not noticed anyone mention disparaging / negative statements about Apple in the Nintendo threads, and maybe I'm projecting a bit here but I thought Miyamoto's appearance at the Apple event illicited more sighs and shrugs than anything thing else. Since then though I don't think there's any reasonably clued-up individual on here who'd pre-emptively dismiss a smartphone game designed ground up by EAD as iOS endless runner #98927659154, unless I missed something there as well. 

[RubberJohnny]

1 hour ago, Xevious said:

When were Apple seen as the devil incarnate?

 

The thread titled "RIP Nintendo" for them going mobile and all the reactions when they initially announced their plans?

 

EDIT: Some great quotes in there going back another four years too. I don't know why people try and pull this revisionist stuff on a site where everything is archived, seems a bit daft.

[Super Craig]

That's a reflection on the input method surely?

[rgraves]

43 minutes ago, Harsin said:

It's great how Apple have suddenly gone from the great satan in every Nintendo thread to super gaming best friend because Miyamoto turned up at a keynote to shill iOS endless runner #98927659154.

Oh look, it's Harsin with a snarky passive aggressive Nintendo post!

 

I mean honestly, I don't think anyone in here has said anything which gets even remotely close to the nonsense you just typed there. Who is calling them satan? Who has called them a super best friend? Who has really said anything about Apple other than talking about Super Mario Run at all?

 

This thread is going just fine - don't try and derail it with trolling fanboy bait nonsense mate.

[spanky debrest]

@RubberJohnny, I wouldn't mistake the reaction to Nintendo's official announcement of developing games for smartphones as rabid demonisation of Apple the corporation. Maybe that's where Harsin got confused as well.

[Harsin]

I was thinking more of the 3DS thread (’smartphones are a fad') and related threads where any mention of enjoying gaming on iPhones or iPads and their growing popularity used to be treated as if you'd just admitted to buying a load of Gary Glitter CDs. I admit I was a bit snarkier than needed though.

[Smitty]

I know that, sadly, I am regarded by some as being anti-Nintendo (rather than the reality of being critical of them) but I have to say that it is great that Nintendo have realised that they have to be clear about what they're selling.

 

The pitch for the Switch (uh), the marketing, the name - all fantastic. The use case as well is very clear and it has a strong USP *alongside* a strong basic utility. 

 

I have lots of concerns - which break down into a category of 'the usual Nintendo shit' and practical stuff about the battery life, ergonomics of the unit, tiny controllers etc - but I felt a lot of positivity that Nintendo seemed to have learned some lessons and also that, get this, the product seems very compelling on its face.

 

It was a good reveal. You immediately understand what the Switch is, what it's for and why you might want one. That logo is great. The use cases are all interesting.

 

I mean, i'm not entirely sure that the Switch will be able to bring back local/split-screen multiplayer but I think it's a great additional hook for what will probably be a great handheld regardless and I do find the prospect of bringing back the unique buzz of local multiplayer to be an exciting thing and something to celebrate. 

 

One thing I will say though, as this is as much to temper my own hopes as it is a reaction to others responses to the Switch, is that I think we will probably save ourselves a lot of disappointment if we think of the Switch as a HANDHELD with some CONSOLE features, because it clearly cannot compete on the pure console front. 

 

I should write a longer post at some point because there's a lot to talk about. Not just the above but also, yes, my expected disappointment that the Switch will not be the powerful home console I would have liked in an ideal world and my huge and very well-founded concerns about Nintendo's usual third-party problems, possible sparse release schedules, poor digital store and so on.

 

I wish, wish, wish I had been here for a while before the reveal, during and a little while after. I'd love to read those discussions, not sure I can be bothered to go back and read it all though!

[Smitty]

On 10/26/2016 at 07:50, neoELITE said:

The Xbox One/PS4 is underpowered compared to a PC (you can spend £4-5k on an off the shelf gaming PC if you really want to)

 

 

 

That's an odd figure to go for. You can build a PC that hugely outperforms consoles for, I dunno, £800? Less? And I'd say a lot of people go for PC builds between that and £1.5k.

 

Not a lot of people are building £4-5k gaming PCs, I'll wager.

[neoELITE]

2 minutes ago, Punished Smitty said:

 

That's an odd figure to go for. You can build a PC that outperforms the consoles for less than £1k. 

 

Not a lot of people are building £4-5k PCs, I'll wager.

 

 

You don't build a console; hence why "off the shelf". I also used the word "can" not do.

[scottcr]

I'm expecting, power wise, the switch to be to the WiiU, what the Wii was to the GameCube.

[scottcr]

It's certainly powerful enough to run Skyrim remastered

[Smitty]

13 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

 

You don't build a console; hence why "off the shelf". I also used the word "can" not do.

 

You're still choosing the most extreme end of the scale though. £4-5K PCs are NOT representative of the market.

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

9 hours ago, rgraves said:

I don't think Take Two said anything remotely positive about the Wii U from the moment it was announced did they? This kind of overtly positive stuff is a definite shift from them, and follows one of their games being in the trailer as well. I think we can assume at this point that they are at least going to dip their [little] toe in and see how the water feels....

Oh boy, Tabletennis is finally coming home!

[Smitty]

14 minutes ago, scottcr said:

It's certainly powerful enough to run Skyrim remastered

 

It's a remaster of a five year old game. That's not saying much.

Edited November 30, 2016 by Punished Smitty

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

2 minutes ago, Punished Smitty said:

 

It's a remaster of a five year old game.

That has been composited on the screen in post.

[Darren]

20 minutes ago, scottcr said:

I'm expecting, power wise, the switch to be to the WiiU, what the Wii was to the GameCube.

 

Two of them taped together?

[Guest]

9 hours ago, clippa said:

Or mario kart, I've heard.
If it's all true about the lacklustre launch lineup, I'm still pumped to buy one, so long as there's one decent game at launch, I'm in. I'll pretend it's for my nephew.

 

This is the first nintendo console without control gimmicks in 15 years!
I'm assuming devs will have to make touchscreen controls completely optional since the games will need to be playable while the console is docked.

The wii-u pro controller is great and the pro controller on this looks like more of the same.
Yes, they're both 360 pad knock-offs but that's exactly what you want.

 

It was weird seeing their new marketing approach in the reveal video. Not a kid, Ant or a Dec in sight. No family at all in fact, no mams, dads or grannies.

 

 

You what mate?

 

This looks like the most convoluted control system they've ever created to me. It can be a standard pad (albeit with a massive screen in the middle). But wait, you can slide them off and put a bit of plastic in between to make it more like a real controller, or a retarded dog. They can also slide off to become Wiimote and nunchuck. Or you can split them between 2 of you and have the tiniest controllers in the world. Or you can buy a Pro Pad, or whatever it's called, if you feel like you want something comfortable.

 

I understand that they've gone this route to encourage same room multiplayer, but I wish it'd had just been a handheld that you can dock, then pick up a pad to game on your TV.

 

Much simpler.

 

To be fair though, they've done a pretty good job at making it all seem incredibly logical.

[BruceBruce]

To be fair, again, you don't have to use it as any of those things.. unless you want to.  You can essentially just use it as a handheld that you can dock, then pick up a pad to game on your TV.

[JPickford]

6 minutes ago, Jon said:

 I wish it'd had just been a handheld that you can dock, then pick up a pad to game on your TV.

 

 

 

It is.  If you want.  Just use it like that.

[scottcr]

33 minutes ago, Punished Smitty said:

 

It's a remaster of a five year old game. That's not saying much.

 

You're not going to get PS4 in a handheld device like that... you'll get WiiU+

 

which means we'll be getting an amazing looking Monster Hunter and it's certainly powerful enough to run a Souls game

[neoELITE]

43 minutes ago, Punished Smitty said:

 

You're still choosing the most extreme end of the scale though. £4-5K PCs are NOT representative of the market.

 

 

Add in a monitor and a 5.1 surround system, a decent keyboard/mouse/controllers and you're talking a good £2.5k for a decent set up on PC. OK, not £4-5k but the Switch is under £200. Yes, you can play your PC games on a TV and use an AV Amp if you have one but a proper PC gaming system isn't inexpensive or in toy territory.  If you buy a Switch, it's going to be powerful enough to run Nintendo games for under £200.

I wish people would stop nit picking about power (the tired and oft-repeated, they'll tape two together) or worrying about controller options - it will have a controller that will work quite well. It won't force you to download an 18 gig patch either.

I can't wait. No chance I'm buying a PS4 or an Xbox One now.

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, BruceBruce said:

To be fair, again, you don't have to use it as any of those things.. unless you want to.  You can essentially just use it as a handheld that you can dock, then pick up a pad to game on your TV.

Which, I imagine, is what most people will do. Negating the need for its convoluted design and making it completely pointless that it was designed that way as devs don't bother utilising those features.

 

It's been Nintendo's biggest problem for a while now. Over-complicating shit just leads to less third party support, because devs just don't see the money in creating special versions of their games for a tiny audience.

 

Then again, maybe it'll take off. I just can't see it though, unfortunately.

[neoELITE]

It doesn't seem convoluted as it's not a Wii U. If that's what you mean. Devs didn't have to use the touchscreen/dual screen of the Wii U - if anything, that was under-utilised by even some of the Nintendo releases (Mario Kart hardly uses it and Splatoon kind of did but didn't really beyond being able to jump to another part of the map and keep you eye on the ink coverage but I certainly didn't use it often in Splatoon); it had a lot more potential than was realised which was a shame.

Criticise it by all means but don't criticise something for what it isn't. Imagine an Xbox One or a PS4 that you can play on the TV and then take outside or take to bed or take to the toilet to have a poo - that's what this very much seems to be.

Looks like you can leave it docked all the time if you want to.

Or don't buy one.

[Guest]

12 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

It doesn't seem convoluted as it's not a Wii U. If that's what you mean. Devs didn't have to use the touchscreen/dual screen of the Wii U - if anything, that was under-utilised by even some of the Nintendo releases (Mario Kart hardly uses it and Splatoon kind of did but didn't really beyond being able to jump to another part of the map and keep you eye on the ink coverage but I certainly didn't use it often in Splatoon); it had a lot more potential than was realised which was a shame.

Criticise it by all means but don't criticise something for what it isn't. Imagine an Xbox One or a PS4 that you can play on the TV and then take outside or take to bed or take to the toilet to have a poo - that's what this very much seems to be.

Looks like you can leave it docked all the time if you want to.

Or don't buy one.

No, I think you've misunderstood, you're absolutely right.

 

I just don't see any need for the controllers sliding off the base unit. I just can't see people wanting to play against each other on a tiny screen with the tiny controllers. It feels over-engineered to me, and something that devs won't really bother supporting.

 

I suppose what I'm saying is that there are too many connotations for devs to deal with, so they'll revert to base configurations.

 

Like I say though, maybe people will go mad for it and it'll be a huge hit. I'm just feeling a bit sceptical at the moment.

[neoELITE]

That's just for local multiplayer outside a living room setting isn't it? I probably wouldn't use that feature but my kids will. For me it was pretty nostalgic seeing that in the Switch reveal video as it reminded me of my Spectrum, in the corner of our living room attached to a little black and white TV and me and my friend playing a game using the keyboard. It's probably, I agree, not that practical but I can see little kids playing that on a train journey.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

That's just for local multiplayer outside a living room setting isn't it? I probably wouldn't use that feature but my kids will. For me it was pretty nostalgic seeing that in the Switch reveal video as it reminded me of my Spectrum, in the corner of our living room attached to a little black and white TV and me and my friend playing a game using the keyboard. It's probably, I agree, not that practical but I can see little kids playing that on a train journey.

Yeah, maybe you're right. I'm just being my usual sceptical self with Nintendo.

 

This all came about from that dude up thread saying it was the first non-gimmicky console for years, where I just disagreed.

 

I am more excited for this than I have been for a while though, if that means anything.

[BruceBruce]

At least this all coherently works together to form what appears to be a solid product.  Doesn't feel gimmicky at all to me.  Just feels like having more options to play how you want to, but without mandating it.  Which sounds great.