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mushashi

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19 hours ago, the_debaser said:

No, but it was so heavily suggested in the advert that it had to be docked that I'd be amazed if it could stream to the TV.

 

"The main unit of Nintendo Switch is the unit that has the LCD screen, which the two Joy-Con controllers can be attached to and detached from. The main function of the Nintendo Switch Dock is to provide an output to the TV, as well as charging and providing power to the system."

 

It would seem from that statement that they have not included a TV-Out port on the unit itself, you'll need the dock to enable that functionality.

 

Part of the selling point of the Wii U GamePad idea was the Nintendo secret sauce which reduced the input lag inherent in wireless transmission compared to alternative existing technical implementations, streaming to the TV has a lag penalty which you'd think the average 60fps is superior gamer wouldn't put up with anyway.

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Super Craig

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12 hours ago, pulsemyne said:

It's not true as thew gamepad is largely empty except for the communications chip and the display system as well as a small flash ram and audio system

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I never said it was in the GamePad itself.

 

I can't remember the specifics, but I definitely remember reading about the Wii GPU being used for the GamePad output in some way. The rendering was still done on the main Wii U GPU though.

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The Wii GPU is built into the WiiU's GPU but not in the way you think. It's functions are part of the WiiU's GPU functions. There isn't a direct 1:1 wii GPU in there, it more like bits a peices were taken of the Wii GPU and then built on to form the WiiU GPU. All in all the sections from the Wii take up about 5 to 10 percent of the entire GPU. The output to the gamepad has nothing to do with the wii gpu bits. Both use the same system for output and it's why you can run Wii games on the gamepad. 

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GX

Why is the GX a separate block and not a compatibility mode of the GX2? To be fair, I don’t have hard evidence that they do not share absolutely any hardware, but this goes back to common sense. The GX is completely different from the GX2/R7xx. Adapting the R7xx to look like a GXand be fully compatible at the register level (remember, Wii games run on bare metal) is a humongous task, and completely unrealistic to do and validate. If they were to do it that way, you’d expect some kind of complex configuration, perhaps involving firmware or special shaders, to switch to vWii mode - none of which is present in cafe2wii.

 

Meanwhile, the process node upgrade means that they can easily fit in the entire GX. On the Hollywood, the 3MB of 1T-SRAM took up half of the die. On the Latte, they’re just two small blocks in the corner (and one of them is even SRAM now). They could easily fit in the rest of the Hollywood in the remaining logic area above the big MEM1 block, and have the entire right hand half of the die left for the R7xx and the new SoC peripherals. Instead of the impractical task of implementing perfect hardware emulation on a completely different GPU architecture, they did the easy thing: throw the old hardware in there, and reuse the easy bits (TMEM and EFB) as handy MEM0 memory in Wii U mode. MEM0 is even mapped at the same address where the direct EFB access used to be on the GC and the Wii, so it probably is the same hardware, with the pixel format mapping turned off and instead presenting the memory as flat RAM. In Wii U mode, it is used mainly for the Cafe OS kernel.

 

https://fail0verflow.com/blog/2014/console-hacking-2013-omake.html

 

However the CPU is entirely compatible with the original system by design, so they have to didn't include original hardware for that. It's like when Sony left the PS2 GPU in the PS3, but eventually took the CPU out and just emulated it.

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On 19/11/2016 at 16:56, mushashi said:

 

"The main unit of Nintendo Switch is the unit that has the LCD screen, which the two Joy-Con controllers can be attached to and detached from. The main function of the Nintendo Switch Dock is to provide an output to the TV, as well as charging and providing power to the system."

The thing about that statement is that it doesn't contradict the possibility of the main tablet unit wirelessly streaming to the dock. The dock would still be providing an output to the TV in such a scenario, which is in line with the statement.

 

Still, I think it's unlikely they'll do this, given the cost and not managing to sell the concept with Wii U.

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46 minutes ago, Hylian said:

So she has some sources in the team handling ports. Why on earth would Pikmin need a "reboot"? 

 

As a franchise, Pikmin should definitely be bigger but the reality is that having 4 at the end will put a lot of potential newcomers off ("oh, I've missed 3 games already? Don't think I'll bother with it"). I remember saying that Pikmin 3 should have just been called Pikmin to try and get newcomers. And I'm not sure where the story could really go after 3 anyway...

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gizmo1990

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Let's just hope that list is 'as she sees it'. Because apart from Mario, that's a piss poor launch line up, imo of course. Surely surely, Nintendo will reveal some other big hitter(s) for the release window? Otherwise they are heaping a colossal amount of pressure on their Mario team to knock it completely out of the park.

 

It's happening again isn't it. :facepalm:

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Super Craig

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38 minutes ago, moora said:

 

As a franchise, Pikmin should definitely be bigger but the reality is that having 4 at the end will put a lot of potential newcomers off ("oh, I've missed 3 games already? Don't think I'll bother with it"). I remember saying that Pikmin 3 should have just been called Pikmin to try and get newcomers. And I'm not sure where the story could really go after 3 anyway...

 

Didn't do Call of Duty 4 any harm.

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3 hours ago, Napole0n said:

Maybe they're working on "Donkey Kong Again"?

 

I still can't believe Nintendo made Retro do uninspired crap like that instead of reinventing a classic franchise Metroid Prime style.

 

As far as I am aware Nintendo have let them work on an original title.  I hears rumors their team was also split into two. guess we just need to wait and see.

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