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8 minutes ago, nakamura said:

It really does highlight their need to consolidate to one platform. This feels like it has been hanging around forever. 

 

This is my concern at the moment, will they stop selling the 3DS console to just support the Switch.

I don't think they will consolidate their platforms & we will still have two machines which is fine but what I want then is a way to play 3DS games on the switch so I have a large choice of games to enjoy.

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50 minutes ago, Charles said:

 

I'm all for the game being as good as possible.  I'm just saying that it is poor project management for Nintendo that a crucial game originally planned for release in 2015, will arrive in 2017 and miss an important hardware launch.


I hear @rafaqat is available for all Project Management needs. ;)

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Given the Zelda news, I just can't see Nintendo getting a brand new Mario ready for launch. Unless it's simply a riff on the WiiU version. And even then I'd have my doubts they could have it ready for launch. Andif it is just a riff on the WiiU version I'll be very dissappointed. If there's no Zelda at launch, then I'd suggest they need a really strong NEW title, backed up by the obvious WiiU updates they'll be releasing.

 

Nintendo really struggle with scheduling, it's utterly amazing that they still can't get a grip on this.

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12 minutes ago, gizmo1990 said:

Given the Zelda news, I just can't see Nintendo getting a brand new Mario ready for launch. Unless it's simply a riff on the WiiU version. And even then I'd have my doubts they could have it ready for launch. Andif it is just a riff on the WiiU version I'll be very dissappointed. If there's no Zelda at launch, then I'd suggest they need a really strong NEW title, backed up by the obvious WiiU updates they'll be releasing.

 

Nintendo really struggle with scheduling, it's utterly amazing that they still can't get a grip on this.


As Hylian says, 3D World was ages ago now. It's not impossible to believe they've been working on Switch stuff internally since at least 2014. It's totally feasible they could have a new Mario out for launch.

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Pointing that out doesn't seem to follow the same logic as current events. :huh: The last big Zelda was, what '11? And they'll likely announce another delay now.

 

I would argue that developing a brand new Mario is even more daunting than the new Zelda. A new Mario with which to announce your new console. A new Mario with which to kick start and revitalise your brand for a new generation. A new Mario. Now of course, Nintendo may not deem that necessary, nor likely will others here. However I believe something like that is absolutely needed in the current climate and importantly absolutely within reach for Nintendo fabulous design teams. Unfortunately, Nintendo can't schedule/plan for shit.

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How has it been delayed? They've never said anything other than "it'll launch simultaneously on Wii U and Switch in 2017". They've never given a month, let alone a specific date have they? Folks have assumed it'll be a launch title for Switch, but Nintendo have never said that as far as I'm aware...

 

 

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Bojangle

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People are probably going off the NOE site having the release dates for the Breath of the Wild Amiibos set as March, before Nintendo quickly pulled the date.

Also, I think you're mad if you don't think Nintendo had internally set a goal to hit launch date for Switch. So yeah, it hasn't officially been delayed, but it's definitely failed to hit (several) internal targets.

I'm not complaining, I think it's admirable of them that they don't want to rush it out for launch. QA'ing a title of that size must be a nightmare.

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8 minutes ago, Bojangle said:

People are probably going off the NOE site having the release dates for the Breath of the Wild Amiibos set as March, before Nintendo quickly pulled the date.

I can see it would make sense for March and the launch of Switch (for us, maybe not so much for them as a business if they do have a Mario title ready to go), but if they've never actually confirmed it we can't go around calling them incompetent for not launching then.

 

Besides, if it's done in December and just needs QA surely Nintendo would just throw people at it for a couple of months to get the job done if that's what they really wanted?

 

Personally, I'd guess they were going to launch with Zelda but the Mario title is done and they're going to go with that instead - use the more recognizable character and brand on Day 1, follow-up with Zelda 3-6 months down the line. From a business perspective, that makes the most sense - more people know Mario than Link, it's a much more bankable launch title, and pushing Zelda back gives you another big title to keep the early momentum going.

 

I'd love Mario and Zelda at launch, but it was never really going to happen was it? It was always going to be one or the other, and it sounds like Mario is ready...

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Eighthours

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20 minutes ago, Bojangle said:

Yep, a new Mario as a launch title definitely makes more business sense, especially as he'll be fresh in people's minds from Super Mario Run, which they'll no doubt cross market the shit out of. Clever moves from Nintendo.

 

I don't see how delaying Zelda from its nailed-on launch slot is a 'clever move', but never mind. I sure hope that Mario is ready for March, otherwise the Switch launch could be as barren as the Wii U's when it comes to marquee titles.

 

The one-two punch of Mario and Zelda was a fucking amazing prospect for launch, practically guaranteeing the console early sales momentum.

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34 minutes ago, Eighthours said:

 

I don't see how delaying Zelda from its nailed-on launch slot is a 'clever move', but never mind.

It never was 'nailed on' though. Nintendo have never said it was coming either in March or at Switch launch. Just 2017.

 

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The one-two punch of Mario and Zelda was a fucking amazing prospect for launch, practically guaranteeing the console early sales momentum.

I think Mario day 1 and Zelda a few months down the line is still pretty good if they can do it. I don't think it'll hurt momentum to launch with Mario and then follow that up with Zelda shortly afterwards at all really.

 

Another factor - if you were a third party and Nintendo were going to have Mario and Zelda on day 1, why would you even bother? I mean even Ubisoft might think twice about trying to go up against that. Nintendo would be wise to at least try and allow the chance of some third-party success early on...

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You're better off bolstering the launch line-up with the WiiU ports than blowing two brand new games at the same time, especially from those franchises.

 

Bit dissapointed that it makes the WiiU version seem less likely though. But less guilt about picking up a Switch at launch I guess!

 

 

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6 minutes ago, Eighthours said:

The Amiibos date leak is the obvious bit, really. It was nailed on, this is a delay.

That was from NoE was it not? And was quickly removed - so could just have been wrong even back then. NoE aren't exactly top of the list for scheduling news from NoJ/NoA ;)

 

The more you think of it, the more it just make no sense - I mean why would they ever release both Mario and Zelda on the same day? It would be mad for us, but mental for them from a business viewpoint. I bet they had both teams shooting for March and then made a call fairly recently which one was in better shape to make it, and which one would get to be the follow-up.

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6 minutes ago, Sarlaccfood said:

You're better off bolstering the launch line-up with the WiiU ports than blowing two brand new games at the same time, especially from those franchises.

 

Hmm, I'd have said the opposite. Making Zelda an NX exclusive and new Mario would have pushed upgrades, whereas if Splatoon and Mario Kart aren't enough to get people to buy a Wii U, I'm not sure they'll get people to buy an NX either.

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If you look at the success of the Game Boy/DS and Wii, what do they all have in common? New compelling game ideas. Tetris/Brain Training/Nintendogs and Wii Sports weren't sequels of existing Nintendo games, even though in the case of Tetris, it had already been around for ages, Nintendo managed to make a version so compelling people didn't care and bought hardware just to play that version.

 

The question of why a game is successful is a bit like which came first, the chicken or the egg, did the game sell the hardware or did the hardware sell your game. Hopefully Nintendo have something more fully formed than Nintendo Land as their big new USP game.

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Sarlaccfood

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34 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

 

Hmm, I'd have said the opposite. Making Zelda an NX exclusive and new Mario would have pushed upgrades, whereas if Splatoon and Mario Kart aren't enough to get people to buy a Wii U, I'm not sure they'll get people to buy an NX either.

 

Yeah good point. I think a mixture could be a winner though. A new Zelda or Mario and then that Splatoon that's supposed to be good-but-didn't-want-to-buy-a-dead-console-for could be tempting for a lot of people.

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