Nintendo Switch

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

Good morning!

 

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Nintendo Switch won't be able to play your library of Wii U discs or 3DS cartridges, as Nintendo has confirmed that its upcoming console doesn't feature physical backwards compatibility.

When asked whether or not Switch can play physical Wii U or 3DS games, a representative from Nintendo responded to IGN with a simple "no."

 

With regard to whether or not the console will offer digital backwards compatibility, the rep said that Nintendo has "nothing to announce on this topic" and "will make additional announcements about the Nintendo Switch hardware later, before the launch of the product."

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/10/24/nintendo-switch-not-backwards-compatible-with-physical-3ds-or-wii-u-games

[womblingfree]

As long as you can download the back catalogue I couldn't give two fucks about physicsl backwards compatability these days. 

[Sprite Machine]

I sometimes forget discs are still a thing.

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

With Nintendo's dubious digital pricing policy, most of my 3DS/Wii U games are physical.

[Lorfarius]

38 minutes ago, womblingfree said:

As long as you can download the back catalogue I couldn't give two fucks about physicsl backwards compatability these days. 

 

But they have form for ripping people off with digital games. If they do appear you can bet they won't be priced properly and hardly dropping in price over the consoles lifetime.

[NEG]

2 hours ago, MidWalian said:

 

Is that really "Nintendo style" ? When have they done things like this? 

 

In addition to GBA as already mentioned...

 

Game Boy

Game Boy Pocket

Game Boy Light

 

Nintendo DS

Nintendo DS Lite

Nintendo DSi

Nintendo DSi XL

 

Nintendo 3DS

Miyamoto: There won't be a 3DS XL!

Nintendo 3DS XL

New Nintendo 3DS

New Nintendo 3DS XL

Nintendo 2DS

New Nintendo 3DS XL 'Galaxy Edition'

 

Slightly better or alternative handhelds down the line is very much 'Nintendo's style'.

[Harsin]

45 minutes ago, Sprite Machine said:

I sometimes forget discs are still a thing.

 

Have you had an MRI?

[Jarik]

I wonder what kind of built-in memory the main unit will have.  Seeing as even a couple of full games filled up the paltry 32GB memory of the WiiU Premium very quickly, I'd hope the Switch will have much more capacity, especially as it won't be able to rely on the same crutch of the WiiU of the External Hard Drive.

[Shimmyhill]

11 hours ago, Jon said:

Point 1 is my main worry.

 

Point 2 makes me hope it's a success, even if I'll begrudge paying for a weaker spec and an extra screen that I'll only ever see the top quarter of from across the living room.

 

And yet you're happy with the Xbone, b'dum tish!

 

I don't get the power race, sure I love the gfx of PS4 and seeing some stuff on a car priced pc is impressive but none of them have made a better looking game than MK8 or 3D world - its almost like artwork and style are more important than grunt.

[rgraves]

12 minutes ago, Jarik said:

I wonder what kind of built-in memory the main unit will have.  Seeing as even a couple of full games filled up the paltry 32GB memory of the WiiU Premium very quickly, I'd hope the Switch will have much more capacity, especially as it won't be able to rely on the same crutch of the WiiU of the External Hard Drive.

I'm imagining some kind of system whereby you can have an HD hooked up to the dock, and then you 'sync' the games from your library that you actually want local (and can fit) on the Switch unit itself when you want to go mobile. A bit like having an itunes library. That and being able to use an SD card to expand local storage as well.

[suzzopher]

Just now, Jarik said:

I wonder what kind of built-in memory the main unit will have.  Seeing as even a couple of full games filled up the paltry 32GB memory of the WiiU Premium very quickly, I'd hope the Switch will have much more capacity, especially as it won't be able to rely on the same crutch of the WiiU of the External Hard Drive.

 

I'd imagine you can use an external HDD when the Switch is docked and I'd be shocked if the Switch didn't support Micro SD cards at least.

[neoELITE]

1 hour ago, RubberJohnny said:

 

None of this is true.

 

 

 

That's how it was marketed at E3; you could play Minecraft on it. It's 3 years later and it isn't out yet. I've personally not heard anything about it since in videogame terms.

http://www.windowscentral.com/you-can-stream-xbox-one-games-hololens

Still none the wiser. 

[RubberJohnny]

12 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

That's how it was marketed at E3; you could play Minecraft on it. It's 3 years later and it isn't out yet. I've personally not heard anything about it since in videogame terms.

http://www.windowscentral.com/you-can-stream-xbox-one-games-hololens

Still none the wiser. 

 

Nowhere do they say it's exclusive.

[Jarik]

23 minutes ago, rgraves said:

I'm imagining some kind of system whereby you can have an HD hooked up to the dock, and then you 'sync' the games from your library that you actually want local (and can fit) on the Switch unit itself when you want to go mobile. A bit like having an itunes library. That and being able to use an SD card to expand local storage as well.

 

I thought about that, but it would mean the Switch would need to have a very good File Management OS, & looking at the 3DS & Wii U versions of such, i'm not confident.

 

Then there's the 'going mobile' part.  According to the video, you can remove the Switch from the dock & your game of Breath of the Wild or Mario Switch continues uninterupted.  This means that the game must be stored on the Tablet, not External Storage, so is that the only way the Switch can run games?  Do they have to be on the Internal Memory or Game Card before they can run?  I suppose that would work if you were to have 'currently playing' list of games stored in the device & any extra games the Switch doesn't have room for saved on External Memory, but you'd just need to keep in mind if Splatoon Switch was on the internal Memory or not before heading off to the Splatfest tournament.

[Bojangle]

27 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

 

That's how it was marketed at E3; you could play Minecraft on it. It's 3 years later and it isn't out yet. I've personally not heard anything about it since in videogame terms.

 

It has a Conker game on it.

[Guest]

33 minutes ago, Shimmyhill said:

 

And yet you're happy with the Xbone, b'dum tish!

 

I don't get the power race, sure I love the gfx of PS4 and seeing some stuff on a car priced pc is impressive but none of them have made a better looking game than MK8 or 3D world - its almost like artwork and style are more important than grunt.

Oh yeah, I'm personally not that arsed about power, it's more a worry that if the gulf between Switch and PS4 Pro/Scorpio is too big, that it'll impact on developers wanting to spend resources porting to it.

 

That all depends on how successful it is obviously, so here's hoping it is.

[Bojangle]

9 minutes ago, Jon said:

Oh yeah, I'm personally not that arsed about power, it's more a worry that if the gulf between Switch and PS4 Pro/Scorpio is too big, that it'll impact on developers wanting to spend resources porting to it.

 

That all depends on how successful it is obviously, so here's hoping it is.

Worth remembering that Pro and Scorpio won't be having exclusive games, at least for a couple of years, so everything will be developed for Bone/PS4/Switch and then ported up for Scorpio/Pro, so the power gap shouldn't be an issue. The bigger issue is 3rd parties actually bothering with Switch at all once the launch period is over.

[womblingfree]

1 hour ago, Lorfarius said:

 

But they have form for ripping people off with digital games. If they do appear you can bet they won't be priced properly and hardly dropping in price over the consoles lifetime.

 

Yeah, but considering their Worldwide distribution outside Japan seems to be done by a single drunk Yodel driver, better get used to it.

[neoELITE]

29 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

 

Nowhere do they say it's exclusive.

 

 

Maybe not but it was part of the E3 keynote speech in 2015 for the Xbox One so I thought, quite reasonably, that this would be a feature of the Xbox One.

 

 

It's still not available.

 

I had to do a lot of googling as I've not bothered with E3 for a few years so perhaps my muddy memory recalls it as an exclusive killer app for the Xbox One.

 

I'm glad Nintendo aren't bothering with gimmicks this time around (hopefully not). If Nintendo had brought out PSVR or this, they'd be laughed off rllmuk for being gimmicks. People still convince themselves they use friend codes and waggle FFS.

 

I'm not turning into a Nintendo fanboy honest!

[Stanley]

18 minutes ago, Jon said:

Oh yeah, I'm personally not that arsed about power

Spoiler

 

 

[rgraves]

27 minutes ago, Jarik said:

 

I thought about that, but it would mean the Switch would need to have a very good File Management OS, & looking at the 3DS & Wii U versions of such, i'm not confident.

 

Then there's the 'going mobile' part.  According to the video, you can remove the Switch from the dock & your game of Breath of the Wild or Mario Switch continues uninterupted.  This means that the game must be stored on the Tablet, not External Storage, so is that the only way the Switch can run games?  Do they have to be on the Internal Memory or Game Card before they can run?  I suppose that would work if you were to have 'currently playing' list of games stored in the device & any extra games the Switch doesn't have room for saved on External Memory, but you'd just need to keep in mind if Splatoon Switch was on the internal Memory or not before heading off to the Splatfest tournament.

I'd assume (if it wasn't already there) the OS would copy any game you launched to the internal memory - so the 'switch' could always happen as shown. Isn't that what they did when games were stored on SD with the Wii? I'm sure it transferred them to internal memory when you ran them each time.

 

As for the OS - yeah yeah the Wii U launched with a slow OS, but it was pretty quickly updated and is actually not at all bad now - quick start, folders, file management etc. It's far from the amateur mess some folks that have never touched one keep saying it is really.

[RubberJohnny]

19 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

Maybe not but it was part of the E3 keynote speech in 2015 for the Xbox One so I thought, quite reasonably, that this would be a feature of the Xbox One.

 

I had to do a lot of googling as I've not bothered with E3 for a few years so perhaps my muddy memory recalls it as an exclusive killer app for the Xbox One.

 

You might want to do a bit more Googling because you'd realise it's not a peripheral, it's a standalone device.

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

50 minutes ago, Bojangle said:

so everything will be developed for Bone/PS4/Switch 

 

 

Hololens is very much alive btw, a friend of mine is developing for it as we speak, although not strictly from a gaming perspective.

[Jarik]

21 minutes ago, Napole0n said:

Hololens is very much alive btw, a friend of mine is developing for it as we speak, although not strictly from a gaming perspective.

 

I've been very impressed by what i've seen of Hololens, but, much like VR before it, it's going to have to massively come down in price before it can be a big thing as AFAIK the asking price for the Developer Version is somewhere around $3000, & they make it clear that the purpose of that version is for developers (hence the name) so they can see AR's potential.

 

But what potential.  Imagine a Mario Galaxy Planetoid or other Level Construct hovering in the space in the middle of your living room, or Mario running, jumping or stomping on Goombas across your Coffee Table. Perhaps by the 2020's, the tech will be affordable enough for Nintendo to make that happen.

[Bojangle]

I did consider putting a question mark next to Switch. My point still stands about not needing to worry about developers not developing for it because of a lack of a power. At least until they decide to drop the no exclusives rule for the Scorpio/Pro in 2/3 years.

[Lorfarius]

32 minutes ago, Jarik said:

 

I've been very impressed by what i've seen of Hololens, but, much like VR before it, it's going to have to massively come down in price before it can be a big thing as AFAIK the asking price for the Developer Version is somewhere around $3000, & they make it clear that the purpose of that version is for developers (hence the name) so they can see AR's potential.

 

But what potential.  Imagine a Mario Galaxy Planetoid or other Level Construct hovering in the space in the middle of your living room, or Mario running, jumping or stomping on Goombas across your Coffee Table. Perhaps by the 2020's, the tech will be affordable enough for Nintendo to make that happen.

 

It's 3K now but like all tech will come flying down in price. I remember when indicators on wing mirrors were only available on high end sports cars costing over £100K. Now you get them on all sorts. Prices drop.

[TheSlugFormerlyKnownAsNap]

Technology like Hololens will probably first be used in 'serious gaming' applications/utilities like in education, medical and revalidation. It'll be a while before it enters the realm of consumer electronics, but like Lorfarius says, eventually prices will drop enough to make it worthwhile.

[RubberJohnny]

Also LOL at someone moaning that Hololens "still isn't out" and pretending to ask "is it still happening?" after a year in a thread that had an 18 month wait for any details of NX, which is still likely six months away. Like c'mon, that's some mega reaching.

[neoELITE]

27 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

Also LOL at someone moaning that Hololens "still isn't out" and pretending to ask "is it still happening?" after a year in a thread that had an 18 month wait for any details of NX, which is still likely six months away. Like c'mon, that's some mega reaching.

 

 

Well excuse me for watching an E3 keynote speech and thinking, that looks pretty awesome and then finding out that you probably won't ever see it in Currys. I thought E3 was the consumer electronics show? You know, electronic stuff for consumers (consumers buy things in shops right?)

 

Nintendo fanboy out.

 

I'm buying one btw.

[ulala]

14 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

 

Well excuse me for watching an E3 keynote speech and thinking, that looks pretty awesome and then finding out that you probably won't ever see it in Currys. I thought E3 was the consumer electronics show? You know, electronic stuff for consumers (consumers buy things in shops right?)

 

Nintendo fanboy out.

 

I'm buying one btw.

 

The Consumer Electronics Show is CES, held in Vegas every year.

 

E3 is the Electronic Entertainment Expo