Nintendo Switch

[CheekyLee]

I never played Mario Tennis without having at least 2 other players around, so was surprised when Luigi absolutely battered me in an exhibition match. My N64 was basically a permanent multiplayer machine.

[Protocol Penguin]

2 hours ago, Superunknown said:

 

You receive a pro-rata discount against the cost of the Family Membership + Expansion based on the amount of time your existing membership has to run. So you'd only pay the difference between the normal Family Membership and the Expansion.

Really? Thanks for the clarification.  

[Superunknown]

Yeah, if you go through to the Online Membership page, and select the version that matches your existing membership (e.g. Family), it'll adjust the price down from £60 based on the remaining days on your current membership. Standard membership is worth 4p per remaining day, Family membership is worth 8p per remaining day. 

[Mr Do 71]

 

[Alex W.]

So what they’ve actually discovered is that each released game has a random ID number, the highest being 38. Which could just mean they’ve tested at least 38 games on the emulator, or that they have at least 38 games on their internal wish list, or…

[Strafe]

Wait, so holding down ZR remaps the c buttons for some reason?

[scottcr]

Star fox is great on this btw

[Popo]

I don’t think this has been asked before - I know that if I buy a family sub, my existing individual sub will count as a discount towards the former; I assume anyone who I invite to the family group who have their own existing individual sub will just lose any remaining time they have. Is that right?

[HarMGM]

37 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

So what they’ve actually discovered is that each released game has a random ID number, the highest being 38. Which could just mean they’ve tested at least 38 games on the emulator, or that they have at least 38 games on their internal wish list, or…

Nope, similar lists were found for the NES and SNES apps and the numbers datamined there wound up matching with what we've gotten so far. Seems to be that NSO is at least going to wind up with more games then the VC ever did.

[pulsemyne]

6 minutes ago, HarMGM said:

Nope, similar lists were found for the NES and SNES apps and the numbers datamined there wound up matching with what we've gotten so far. Seems to be that NSO is at least going to wind up with more games then the VC ever did.

There is also a missing system for the system id's. 1,2,3 and 5 are the machines so far so 4 is missing.

[FatOldGeek]

That’ll do it for me…

[Let us measure]

Operation WinBack is the Metal Gear Solid meets Time Crisis mash up that I didn't know I needed. Brilliantly arcadey stuff. 

[The Mighty Ash]

24 minutes ago, FatOldGeek said:

That’ll do it for me…

 

Even though plenty of people are enjoying playing the N64 games in this thread? 

[Stanley]

It’s not perfect by any stretch but the games are as enjoyable as ever, don’t really see why it sucks. For most people who want a blast from the past it’s probably fine, 

[Strafe]

I think both things can be true. I’m enjoying a bit of sin and punishment and some sonic 2 but I also think it’s a half-assed implementation and not worth the money.

 

But Nintendo hold my testicles in a vice like grip and like the man in the horror film walking into a haunted house knowing it will do him no good, I bought it anyway.

[spanky debrest]

5 hours ago, The Mighty Ash said:

 

Even though plenty of people are enjoying playing the N64 games in this thread? 

 

As a real hardware & CRT guy I imagine John Linneman won't be producing a technical deep dive on NSO N64 emulation because it'll likely be an exercise in negativity, frustration and speculation at this point. 

 

Edit: holy shit, there seems to be a bunch of footage of some seriously dodgy audio corruption in Ocarina of Time. That's something casual / unfamiliar users will notice because it's very obviously broken.

 

Unless they throw resources at  improving the emulator I can see this low grade, apparently thrown-together attempt at N64 on Switch becoming a meme.

[Stanley]

Every game deserves, at the very least, the treatment they gave Mario 64 in the Allstars 3D Collection, just ever so slightly touched up graphics, very low input lag, smooth frame rate and accurate sound. 
 

They really all should have the correct button prompts contextually depending which controllers you’re using, as well.

 

As it stands it’s fine, but a £60 per year ask, not so much. 

[FatOldGeek]

8 hours ago, The Mighty Ash said:

 

Even though plenty of people are enjoying playing the N64 games in this thread? 

Well yeah. I’ve got an Analogue Mega SG and a Mega Everdrive Pro so I can play ROMs of every Mega Drive game ever made ‘perfectly’ for free and I’ve no interest in the Animal Crossing Expansion.
 

I was considering upgrading my Nintendo Online purely for the ease of playing a few N64 games now and again but it makes more sense to me to put that money towards modding a real N64 so that it looks good on a modern telly and investing in a flash cart for that too. 
 

It’s great that people are enjoying playing these games on the Switch and I’m sure i would too, I just don’t like the idea of paying to rent the ROMs when Nintendo have seemingly half arsed it. 

[footle]

Stanley - There is a difference between 

“people are enjoying the games”

and

”it is nice to have access to the originals being preserved in this way”

 

the games can be fine, but the number of visual differences (let alone anything else) mean that it’s not really an exercise in game preservation and is substandard to playing on the original console, Wii versions, or on PC.

 

which from linnemann’s point of view will make it “well you could do it but there are so many better ways, it’s almost as half arsedly thrown out as the PS1 mini“.

[Stanley]

52 minutes ago, footle said:

Stanley - There is a difference between 

“people are enjoying the games”

and

”it is nice to have access to the originals being preserved in this way”

 

the games can be fine, but the number of visual differences (let alone anything else) mean that it’s not really an exercise in game preservation and is substandard to playing on the original console, Wii versions, or on PC.

 

which from linnemann’s point of view will make it “well you could do it but there are so many better ways, it’s almost as half arsedly thrown out as the PS1 mini“.

I wouldn’t say it’s substandard to the Wii versions, at least they’re upscaled for modern displays, and yes PC emulation is always going to do it better, or if you’re a purist then there are a myriad of solutions - but for the average consumer they’re fine. And that’s not me giving them a pass, I hope they go ways to improving it further. 
 

And it should be better considering the price, but ignoring that for a second, ahem, playing Mario Tennis and Mario Kart 64 multiplayer in the coffee shop yesterday on our Switch OLED (we’re such posers) definitely did not suck, it was pretty awesome actually. 

[scottcr]

That fog image from OoT - that's strange, because there's other areas with heavy atmospheric fog (Ghoma's lair for example) and they look fine... is it just a bug?

 

Otherwise, OoT plays really well and looks very nice.  They can't do anything about the low res 'static' areas unfortunately but it still plays great.

 

Suspend points are pretty much going to ruin Majora's Mask though.

[Not Thread Owner]

3 hours ago, Stanley said:

As it stands it’s fine, but a £60 per year ask, not so much. 

It’s not £60 a year. £60 a year is how much the entire service is for up to 8 people, so at the most it’s £30 per person that way. (Or £35 individually)

 

And even then it’s not £30 a year, as you’re not just getting N64 games for that money.

 

And even if you were, it’s still not £30 if you shop around for cheap credit to pay for it.

[Strafe]

Do the save functions in the games work or is it all suspend points?

[Super Craig]

If the game used the built-in battery/memory on the cart then saves should work. If it uses the Memory Pak then you'll need to rely on save states.

[McCoy]

3 minutes ago, Strafe said:

Do the save functions in the games work or is it all suspend points?

 

Nope the save functions, such as Mario 64, all still work fine. No one is forcing anyone to use a suspend point. 

 

I never get comments like that. If you use an optional feature to ruin game then its your own fault - no one is forcing anyone to use (and abuse) suspend points with MM. 

[Strafe]

17 minutes ago, McCoy said:

 

Nope the save functions, such as Mario 64, all still work fine. No one is forcing anyone to use a suspend point. 

 

I never get comments like that. If you use an optional feature to ruin game then its your own fault - no one is forcing anyone to use (and abuse) suspend points with MM. 

 

I’m not saying it’s ruining it, I just didn’t know!

[xtremeboat]

3 hours ago, Stanley said:

Every game deserves, at the very least, the treatment they gave Mario 64 in the Allstars 3D Collection, just ever so slightly touched up graphics, very low input lag, smooth frame rate and accurate sound. 

 

It's the exact same as Mario 64 on Allstars 3D

 

EDIT: No it isn't.... WTF Nintendo!?

[McCoy]

7 minutes ago, xtremeboat said:

 

It's the exact same as Mario 64 on Allstars 3D

 

Granted, there's not much in it, but the Allstars version is the better version. 

 

 

[McCoy]

I don't know why I thought this, but I assumed that online multiplayer might have a matchmaking style system - not just with online 'friends'.

 

I'd have quite enjoyed a few Mario Kart 64 games with randoms. 

 

But yeah, as soon as I realised that wasn't how the online side would work I knew I had expected far too much of Nintendo than the bare minimum they were ever going to do with these releases. 

 

That said, I am enjoying Mario Tennis 64 and Star Fox 64 again. Hopefully we will get some more interesting releases going forwards. 

[Stanley]

42 minutes ago, deKay said:

It’s not £60 a year. £60 a year is how much the entire service is for up to 8 people, so at the most it’s £30 per person that way. (Or £35 individually)

 

And even then it’s not £30 a year, as you’re not just getting N64 games for that money.

 

And even if you were, it’s still not £30 if you shop around for cheap credit to pay for it.

It’s £60 per year, that’s what I pay.