Nintendo Switch

[dataDave]

11 hours ago, daifuco said:

So maybe it is not that bad that Nintendo is having a tough time with the WIi U, hopefully it will push them to take the right decisions.

 
The same right decisions Sony have made in making 50m PS4 sales so far?

Those decisions would be:

1) Beat the competition on resolution.

2) Produce constant and exciting dashboard updates.

3) Provide an account system.

[Stanley]

On 21/09/2016 at 16:21, RubberJohnny said:

Didn't we have a thread recently where people laughed at the claims smartphones had no effect on handhelds in Nintendo threads and people got really defensive and denied it ever happened and wanted names, and right now here it is.

You're like Burt Lancaster in The Swimmer.

[mushashi]

21 hours ago, RubberJohnny said:

Either NX is closer than expected or they're basically going to discontinue Wii U with no replacement for five months, right before Xmas run-up.

 

This could have been guessed at when they announced their sales forecasts for this year, even if they expressly didn't come out and say the Wii U was a dead man walking this year:

 

0.8 Million Wii U until March 2017, down from the 3.4 Million initial forecast of the previous year. The 3DS by comparison only had a mild downgrade in expected yearly shipments so they clearly aren't killing that off quite so soon.

 

 

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Next, I would like to discuss our strategy for production and shipping of Wii U in the fiscal year ending March 2017. We plan to greatly reduce the amount of Wii U systems produced and shipped for the fiscal year ending March 2017, compared to the fiscal year ended March 2016.

Taking into consideration demand for the new NX hardware and overall demand forecasts, we plan to ship 800,000 units.

 

 

The NX has always been expected to make up the shortfall from no longer selling the Wii U:

 

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We are planning for a large part of the great decline in the sales of WiiU hardware being made up by NX sales.

 

[Matthew Kenyon]

Looks like Tesco might have slipped up earlier today -

 

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/09/uk_retailer_tesco_adds_nintendo_nx_order_page_with_p349_99_price

[Nespresso]

19 minutes ago, Matthew Kenyon said:

Looks like Tesco might have slipped up earlier today -

 

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/09/uk_retailer_tesco_adds_nintendo_nx_order_page_with_p349_99_price

 

Probably just a placeholder that but worth it for this comment:

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'Nintendo NX Wii U'? Backwards compatibility confirmed! I knew the U would never die! WE'RE SAVED! HALLELUJAH! PROJECT GIANT ROBOT AS LAUNCH TITLE!

 

[DarhkFox]

With leaving it so late and the fact apparently Zelda Breath of the wild has been finished.. i wouldn't be too surprised if it was released before xmas now.. but still not enough time really to advertise?

[mushashi]

The problem with an earlier than expected launch is lack of time to build up hardware inventory, the factories can't just magically conjure up masses of units at will. You just have to look at the PC graphics card manufacturers for proof of what happens when you do a paper launch for an in demand mass market product, and they barely sell fuckall every year by comparison of high end cards.

[DarhkFox]

9 minutes ago, mushashi said:

The problem with an earlier than expected launch is lack of time to build up hardware inventory, the factories can't just magically conjure up masses of units at will. You just have to look at the PC graphics card manufacturers for proof of what happens when you do a paper launch for an in demand mass market product, and they barely sell fuckall every year by comparison of high end cards.

 

Foxconn have apparently started a 10M "test". If NX came in late november would 2 months be enough time to get it into the shops? 

[mushashi]

If you assume the 10 Million is true, divide by 12 to get your monthly production rate, so 2 x 0.833 = >2 Million shipped by slow boat from China available in the 3 target markets, it'd be a blood bath and touts would be in heaven, but then again, some people bought literally car loads of the last few console launches hoping to make a killing which never really materialised.

[daifuco]

I don't want to think much about what we don't know but.

If the NX is an handheld that you can dock at home... I wonder what sort of storage uses.

If it can run PS4-like games, we are talking of  an average of 20GB per game,  even if they are compressed to 10GB per game is a lot.

SD is sluggish for high performance .Is not it?

Built in flash is way too expensive.

I was thinking maybe high end tiny USB3 memory sticks? 

 

I know, I should forget about speculation. But I think it is a legit concern.

[Protocol Penguin]

USB3? Probably too high-tech for Nintendo to include. 

[Alex W.]

17 minutes ago, daifuco said:

I don't want to think much about what we don't know but.

If the NX is an handheld that you can dock at home... I wonder what sort of storage uses.

If it can run PS4-like games, we are talking of  an average of 20GB per game,  even if they are compressed to 10GB per game is a lot.

SD is sluggish for high performance .Is not it?

Built in flash is way too expensive.

I was thinking maybe high end tiny USB3 memory sticks? 

 

I know, I should forget about speculation. But I think it is a legit concern.

 

Flash is going to be far faster than optical disks, and probably very competitive with the hard drives that most modern consoles actually play your games from after installation. There are plenty of hella fast SD cards out there, and I believe Nintendo's confirmed to be first in line for some next-generation flash technology that should cut costs.

[Rev]

If they did release it early then the lack of time to advertise it wouldn't be so much of a problem if it was massively supply-constrained.

 

I think it's more likely they're in Complete Clusterfuck mode, mind.

[gone fishin]

All this talk of waiting months after an announcement until a product hits shelves and months of marketing lead up, people seem to forget about how Apple launch their products.

 

"Here's the iPhone 7. You can buy it in two weeks time."

 

its not the 90s anymore, if Nintendo chose to pull an Apple and release it with a month's notice, I'm sure they could do it. I mean, it's not as if Foxconn isn't used to that type of product launch.

 

(although I still think it's going to launch in March anyway).

[gone fishin]

4 hours ago, daifuco said:

I don't want to think much about what we don't know but.

If the NX is an handheld that you can dock at home... I wonder what sort of storage uses.

If it can run PS4-like games, we are talking of  an average of 20GB per game,  even if they are compressed to 10GB per game is a lot.

SD is sluggish for high performance .Is not it?

Built in flash is way too expensive.

I was thinking maybe high end tiny USB3 memory sticks? 

 

I know, I should forget about speculation. But I think it is a legit concern.

It's going to use cartridges. Seriously. 

[RubberJohnny]

Apple have a massive shipping + logistics supply chain that's the product of ridiculous sums of cash to be able to do worldwide launches like that.

 

Nintendo can't even get supermarkets to stock its consoles for more than a month.

[DC Lemon]

They're not releasing it early, we're all buying a Mini NES for Xmas.

[Halo]

Maybe they're just not manufacturing anymore Wii Us and have decided to repackage the remaining European stock for Japan, given there seems to shortages over there after a mini-resurgence. Better to sell them full price in Japan than having to have a firesale to shift them in Europe.

[NEG]

On 24/09/2016 at 08:07, dataDave said:

 
The same right decisions Sony have made in making 50m PS4 sales so far?

Those decisions would be:

1) Beat the competition on resolution.

2) Produce constant and exciting dashboard updates.

3) Provide an account system.

 

It wasn't hard for anyone to look more credible than Microsoft after E3 2013. All Sony provided as a message to 'sell' was: more of the same.

 

Once a train (PS4) starts rolling, it's very hard to stop it.

[mushashi]

22 hours ago, Alex W. said:

 

Flash is going to be far faster than optical disks, and probably very competitive with the hard drives that most modern consoles actually play your games from after installation. There are plenty of hella fast SD cards out there, and I believe Nintendo's confirmed to be first in line for some next-generation flash technology that should cut costs.

 

Flash performance is entirely dependent on both the quality/type of NAND and the on-memory controller they use to manage and access the raw storage which accounts for the vast disparity in performance of NAND-based products.

 

Anyway, I thought it had practically been confirmed to primarily rely on the same basic storage as the 3DS uses, which is mask ROM and any user of the 3DS should be well aware of the performance characteristics of that.

[MojoChin]

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[Camel]

Probably what he was aiming for.

[Barnard]

What are the 3DS mask ROM speeds like? I've never owned a 3DS. 

[Mr Cochese]

Depends on the form factor of your SKU.

[Not Thread Owner]

56 minutes ago, Barnard said:

What are the 3DS mask ROM speeds like? I've never owned a 3DS. 

 

Somebody stop him!

[spanky debrest]

You know how sd cards have different classes of speed? The 3DS's internal memory basically runs as if it's a class 4 sd card. That's all you need to know about the 3DS NAND, except you don't. It's irrelevant. Kill me now.

[Not Thread Owner]

Nevar forget

 

 

[Hylian]

I thought Nintendo were irrelevant?

[scottcr]

stop being a dick

[Nespresso]

Meanwhile over at Sony.