Nintendo Switch

[Calashnikov]

On 12/02/2021 at 09:15, Eighthours said:

Also fun to see a couple of dads who play... one of them was insanely good at Mario Kart.

You need to make it your mission to annihilate that dad at Mario Kart.

[probotector]

2 hours ago, Stanley said:

It’s funny how despite being demonstrably the poorer online service Nintendo have the killer app in AC which makes their subscription nigh on essential, it’s a much lesser game offline - I don’t know how many subscribers they have but there must be an awful lot just off the back of that one game. 

 

AC is pretty much useless without online?

 

I know during lockdown 1.0 all of my friends bought it and they all had online. One friend bought the family sub and gave a few of us free access.

[Rex Grossman]

9 minutes ago, probotector said:

 

AC is pretty much useless without online?

 

I know during lockdown 1.0 all of my friends bought it and they all had online. One friend bought the family sub and gave a few of us free access.

It’s people like this preventing Nintendo from having the money to develop a new F-Zero game.

[probotector]

Nintendo with its billions in the bank?

 

Nintendo won’t make Fzero or wave race because they are lazy fucks.

[Stanley]

33 minutes ago, probotector said:

 

AC is pretty much useless without online?

 

I know during lockdown 1.0 all of my friends bought it and they all had online. One friend bought the family sub and gave a few of us free access.

Sorry, what are you trying to say? 

[iknowgungfu]

50 minutes ago, Calashnikov said:

You need to make it your mission to annihilate that dad at Mario Kart.

Whilst playing under your child's profile to further the insult.

[Calashnikov]

34 minutes ago, probotector said:

Nintendo won’t make Fzero or wave race because they are lazy fucks.

Work-shy massively successful Japanese businessmen bastards man 

[probotector]

Nintendo have been treading water for the last 15 years.

 

I have high hopes for Switch Pro as they clearly are back to making gimmick free, gameplay first games and won’t be able to recycle deluxe versions for next gen. 

 

Maybe we will see Fzero, but I’m hoping for a new Wave Race.

 

They have a reason to do it now as it’s games like Fzero that could drive online sales. Imagine 30 player online F-Zero. It’ll be a clusterfuck of chaos  

[Stanley]

2 minutes ago, probotector said:

Nintendo have been treading water for the last 15 years.

 

I have high hopes for Switch Pro as they clearly are back to making gimmick free, gameplay first games and won’t be able to recycle deluxe versions for next gen. 

 

Maybe we will see Fzero, but I’m hoping for a new Wave Race.

 

They have a reason to do it now as it’s games like Fzero that could drive online sales. Imagine 30 player online F-Zero. It’ll be a clusterfuck of chaos  

No, games like Animal Crossing, Mario Kart, Splatoon and Smash Bros drive online sales - the Switch Pro will just be the Switch with slightly more power, they are never, ever going to go back to being the company you want them to be, the Nintendo of the GameCube and N64 era, because those consoles did not do the business for them. 

[probotector]

You say that but...the games you listed are all available on those consoles bar splatoon 

 

Nintendo’s output on the switch is pretty much on par with all their previous consoles. 
 

The switch isn’t even the massive success it’s pointed out as. It’s selling the same rate as every other Nintendo handheld.

They’re actually doing worse as the switch needs to cover both previous console and handheld console generations.

 

There is no excuse for them to not release a low budget Fzero or wave race. They just can’t be arsed and would rather do ports right now.

[Eighthours]

33 minutes ago, iknowgungfu said:

Whilst playing under your child's profile to further the insult.

This is an excellent idea. 

[Stanley]

1 minute ago, probotector said:

You say that but...the games you listed are all available on those consoles bar splatoon 

 

Nintendo’s output on the switch is pretty much on par with all their previous consoles. 
 

The switch isn’t even the massive success it’s pointed out as. It’s selling the same rate as every other Nintendo handheld.

They’re actually doing worse as the switch needs to cover both previous console and handheld console generations.

 

There is no excuse for them to not release a low budget Fzero or wave race. They just can’t be arsed and would rather do ports right now.

I think you know what I mean, they are not going to chase the hardcore gamer crowd who want more power and more traditional based games, the truth is that futuristic racers haven’t really been popular since the original Wipeout series on PSone, they’re just clearly not interested them right now. 
 

Besides that your figures are incorrect, Switch sales are far outpacing the 3DS, for example. 

[probotector]

But are they outpacing the 3DS and the WiiU? Let’s not forget the 3DS was their worst handheld ever. 
 

Also, yeah I know what you mean about hardcore gamers but neither of those games are hardcore. They are standard Nintendo titles.
 

Maybe they won’t sell the 30 million they want but there is room for a few 5 million sellers.

 

If they can release stuff like splatoon and fire emblem, they can release Fzero or Advance Wars.

 

 

[Stanley]

14 minutes ago, probotector said:

But are they outpacing the 3DS and the WiiU? Let’s not forget the 3DS was their worst handheld ever. 
 

Also, yeah I know what you mean about hardcore gamers but neither of those games are hardcore. They are standard Nintendo titles.
 

Maybe they won’t sell the 30 million they want but there is room for a few 5 million sellers.

 

If they can release stuff like splatoon and fire emblem, they can release Fzero or Advance Wars.

 

 

Not really sure what you are trying prove here, but first of all saying they’ve been treading water for 15 years is utterly moronic when you consider that includes their most successful period ever with the Wii & DS, now you’re shifting the goalposts to say the 3DS wasn’t successful, or comparing sales of a console which has been out only half as long. I mean, whatever, but attempting to argue that Switch isn’t successful is daft. Perhaps PS4 isn’t successful if you look at PS2 sales or PS3+PSP sales, you know? 

[probotector]

Of course it’s successful. Every handheld Nintendo has released has been successful, even the 3DS after a bumpy start.

 

But let’s not kid ourselves that Nintendo has been treading water with their games for decades with very small incremental updates.

 

There is absolutely no reason for Nintendo not to release Fzero or Wave Race or star Fox when every other N64 franchise gets a sequel.

 

Animal crossing, smash bros, Mario Kart, Mario have been released for every single console in the last 20 years. 
 

They have the resources, they are just badly managed.

If they can waste their time on non sellers like Pikmin, they can do it on Fzero but miyamoto holds Nintendo back with his bizzare pet projects. 

 

[thesnwmn]

I also think you need to accept that a pure traditional handheld in the Gameboy or DS category will have a tougher and tougher time against the mobile and tablet platforms over time. I think Nintendo’s switch (pun intended) to merge the two acknowledges that. They can pull some of their handheld user base, ideas and experience up to this middle ground and still offer a home platform without the overhead of running two platforms.

 

And anyone who thinks they’ll return to making more games like F Zero, Wave Race, Pilotwings, Advance Wars, etc is crazy. I’m sure there’ll be a few but they are making fistfuls from crowd pleasers.

[fat flatulent git]

26 minutes ago, probotector said:

But are they outpacing the 3DS and the WiiU? Let’s not forget the 3DS was their worst handheld ever. 
 

Also, yeah I know what you mean about hardcore gamers but neither of those games are hardcore. They are standard Nintendo titles.
 

Maybe they won’t sell the 30 million they want but there is room for a few 5 million sellers.

 

If they can release stuff like splatoon and fire emblem, they can release Fzero or Advance Wars.

 

 

 

According to this, the Switch has outsold the 3DS already.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/nintendo-switch-outsold-3ds/amp/

 

So I think it's pretty safe to say it's going to beat the combined sales of 3DS plus Wii U.  The Switch Japan sales alone since then have been about 300,000.

[Stanley]

5 minutes ago, probotector said:

Of course it’s successful. Every handheld Nintendo has released has been successful, even the 3DS after a bumpy start.

 

But let’s not kid ourselves that Nintendo has been treading water with their games for decades with very small incremental updates.

 

There is absolutely no reason for Nintendo not to release Fzero or Wave Race or star Fox when every other N64 franchise gets a sequel.

 

Animal crossing, smash bros, Mario Kart, Mario have been released for every single console in the last 20 years. 
 

They have the resources, they are just badly managed.

If they can waste their time on non sellers like Pikmin, they can do it on Fzero but miyamoto holds Nintendo back with his bizzare pet projects. 

 

Jesus Christ. Badly managed 

 

And it’s not a handheld, it’s a hybrid console - if you have trouble understanding the difference or why that might be an important distinction, compare sales of Switch Lite to Switch.

[mdn2]

6 minutes ago, Tomcat said:

 

According to this, the Switch has outsold the 3DS already.

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/screenrant.com/nintendo-switch-outsold-3ds/amp/

 

So I think it's pretty safe to say it's going to beat the combined sales of 3DS plus Wii U.  The Switch Japan sales alone since then have been about 300,000.

And not just that, more importantly their software sales have far exceeded both the 3DS and WiiU. The console sells like a handheld but the software sells like a home console. 

[fat flatulent git]

43 minutes ago, probotector said:

 

They’re actually doing worse as the switch needs to cover both previous console and handheld console generations.

 

 

This would only make sense if there was absolutely no overlap between the people who bought handhelds and the people who bought a Wii U.

 

I bought a Wii U, and six 3DSs of the various iterations.  I've only bought two Switches - OG and Lite.

 

But Nintendo have made loads more out of me from the Switch than they did over the Wii U and 3DS years.  The number of consoles might be fewer, but the username is still me, and the budget for Nintendo entertainment is still unchanged.  In fact, it's far more, because I like the Switch more than Wii U or 3DS, so it's now my primary console.

 

Your mistake is to see consoles sold as the be all and end all, whereas for Nintendo, the bottom line is profit.  Actually you're wrong anyway in your assertion that the Switch is selling no better than previous handhelds.  But even had you been right, it isn't the only thing that matters.

[probotector]

Guys,

 

Calm down! I love the switch! It’s actually my only current “live” console.

 

I just think on a software front, Nintendo are being very lazy and could release more. Especially now where they only have 1 platform to cater towards. In past generations, their handhelds became home to games like Fzero. 
 

When you take out all the WiiU ports, they’ve actually released very little.

 

In fact, Nintendo right now are so predictable, I sold my WiiU shortly after playing 3D world because I knew they were going to rehash all their games on their next console and I was right. 
 

Making bank on ports is great, but what else are they doing?

 

I seriously expect BIG things from Switch Pro are we’ve technically lost out on a true Mario Kart sequel for instance.

[fat flatulent git]

21 minutes ago, probotector said:

 

There is absolutely no reason for Nintendo not to release Fzero or Wave Race or star Fox when every other N64 franchise gets a sequel.

 

Pilotwings?  1080?  Sequels announced?

 

I'd love a new Pilotwings and a new Wave Race, but the suggestion that the reason we aren't getting them is because Nintendo are badly managed is just ridiculous.  I'm surprised anyone would post such rubbish.

[fat flatulent git]

3 minutes ago, probotector said:

Guys,

 

Calm down! I love the switch! It’s actually my only current “live” console.

 

I just think on a software front, Nintendo are being very lazy and could release more. Especially now where they only have 1 platform to cater towards. In past generations, their handhelds became home to games like Fzero. 
 

When you take out all the WiiU ports, they’ve actually released very little.

 

In fact, Nintendo right now are so predictable, I sold my WiiU shortly after playing 3D world because I knew they were going to rehash all their games on their next console and I was right. 
 

Making bank on ports is great, but what else are they doing?

 

I seriously expect BIG things from Switch Pro are we’ve technically lost out on a true Mario Kart sequel for instance.

 

I think everybody's calm enough.  They're just pointing out rubbish when it's posted.

 

I agree about the disappointment of Wii U ports, having owned one, but I can't deny that it makes commercial sense for Nintendo.  Quite the opposite of bad management.

[Stanley]

11 minutes ago, probotector said:

Guys,

 

Calm down! I love the switch! It’s actually my only current “live” console.

 

I just think on a software front, Nintendo are being very lazy and could release more. Especially now where they only have 1 platform to cater towards. In past generations, their handhelds became home to games like Fzero. 
 

When you take out all the WiiU ports, they’ve actually released very little.

 

In fact, Nintendo right now are so predictable, I sold my WiiU shortly after playing 3D world because I knew they were going to rehash all their games on their next console and I was right. 
 

Making bank on ports is great, but what else are they doing?

 

I seriously expect BIG things from Switch Pro are we’ve technically lost out on a true Mario Kart sequel for instance.

I mean, do you want a list? I don’t really see the correlation between Mario Kart 9 being released, and the Switch Pro - no way would a Mario Kart for Switch require that. 

[thesnwmn]

11 minutes ago, probotector said:

Guys,

 

Calm down! I love the switch! It’s actually my only current “live” console.

 

I just think on a software front, Nintendo are being very lazy and could release more. Especially now where they only have 1 platform to cater towards. In past generations, their handhelds became home to games like Fzero. 
 

When you take out all the WiiU ports, they’ve actually released very little.

 

In fact, Nintendo right now are so predictable, I sold my WiiU shortly after playing 3D world because I knew they were going to rehash all their games on their next console and I was right. 
 

Making bank on ports is great, but what else are they doing?

 

I seriously expect BIG things from Switch Pro are we’ve technically lost out on a true Mario Kart sequel for instance.

I think the issue is that it’s not lazy. What they’re doing is making fuck tonnes and ensuring that the release schedule over the year seems to have enough in it to keep hardware and software sales going (given that the average owner probably doesn’t need a new Nintendo release more than every 3-6 months).

 

I get that there’s a bunch of titles we might like to see but I’m not sure I understand why we expect them to actually do so in the real world. Would it sell appreciably more hardware?

 

I suspect half the hardcore who want this stuff actually already own the console anyway and would end up dicking on them because they don’t like a whole bunch of aspects of the reimagined open world F Zero or the Metroid RPG.

[iknowgungfu]

What is the average age of a Switch user (not purchaser). I wouldn't be surprised if it is skewed towards the younger market who at the end of the day have no real idea why an FZero or Waverace would be so desirable.

 

 

[taurusnipple]

F-Zero and Waverace would be so refreshing though, gotta say I’m not excited about another Mario Kart, it’s not really evolved, it’s solid but all they need to do is release new cups and tracks for a generation. 
 

And I expect these 2 racers honestly. Switch hinted at appealing to the mature/hardcore gamer too right? That’s why we got Bayonetta and at some point, Metroid. 
 

A Switch Pro with remasters of my 2 favorite racers is my wet dream. Then they can judge if a modern sequel is worth it. ???

[SeanR]

Just picked up a cheap wired controller, £15 B&M,  because half-term is coming up, and I don’t want the boy hunched over the screen for hours at a time.
 

No, I’ll make him throw the switch signal at the (other 1080p) tv and use this instead:

 

[Calashnikov]

4 hours ago, probotector said:

Nintendo have been treading water for the last 15 years.

[probotector]

3 hours ago, Stanley said:

I mean, do you want a list? I don’t really see the correlation between Mario Kart 9 being released, and the Switch Pro - no way would a Mario Kart for Switch require that. 

Mario Kart is a one per generation/console game.

 

They’re not going to release 9 for the switch.

 

We’ve kinda missed out on 2 Mario Kart entries really with the switch existing.