Nintendo Switch

[Strafe]

7 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Yeah - most recent ones new3DS and DSi - both were more powerful versions. 

Yes, I was being sarcastic with that.

[Stanley]

24 minutes ago, Strafe said:

Yes, I was being sarcastic with that.

Sorry went over my head 

[Strafe]

Just now, Stanley said:

Sorry went over my head 

We need a sarcasm smiley!

[Sarlaccfood]

1 hour ago, Strafe said:

Maybe I’m mad, after all Nintendo have never released more powerful mid generation upgrades to their machines have they?

 

 

I don’t think people disagree that we’re due some kind of mid-gen update with more power under the hood in some way.
 

It’s more that they’d use that power to support 4K that seems unlikely. 

[Strafe]

13 minutes ago, Sarlaccfood said:

I don’t think people disagree that we’re due some kind of mid-gen update with more power under the hood in some way.
 

It’s more that they’d use that power to support 4K that seems unlikely. 

It would be likely to be graphics related as they’d wouldn’t want the user base split with software.

 

But, Nintendo I suppose.

 

 

[Alex W.]

I think the only concrete evidence they are even considering an upgrade is their queries to developers about 4K support.

[iknowgungfu]

I know phones are often 4k but do they actually run games at 4k equivalent to the type of games available on consoles?  I'm out of touch with mobile phones on the whole but I can't help but feel many compromises are to be had to keep form factors within phone expectations.

[wretcherd]

A lot of phones can record 4k video but very few have 4k screens.

[chris on the moon]

My uncle works for Nintendo and has told me that the next switch is going to be made entirely from tedious speculation about what the next switch is going to be like.

[Transient Curse]

I'm glad I've arrived as speculation is going on. 

 

I'm thinking of getting rid of my Switch and waiting to see if they'll introduce a new one. 

 

If I do that, I'd like to backup my saves. Is this still linked to Nintendo Online? Do I need to pay for a sub while I'm console-less?

[scottcr]

27 minutes ago, Wahwah* said:

I'm glad I've arrived as speculation is going on. 

 

I'm thinking of getting rid of my Switch and waiting to see if they'll introduce a new one. 

 

If I do that, I'd like to backup my saves. Is this still linked to Nintendo Online? Do I need to pay for a sub while I'm console-less?

 

so you don't want to play BOTW 2 or Metroid 4?

 

:headasplode:

[Strafe]

I guess today’s the day we get told about the Nintendo direct for tomorrow!

[Not Thread Owner]

There was actually a Direct Mini in Japan a few days ago.

 

EDIT: It's on the Switch News section, but the video is this:

 

 

[Dudley]

16 hours ago, Strafe said:

Absurd comparison. My iPhone does 4K and and is a fraction of the size of a series S.

 

Which iPhone can "do 4k"? the Pro Max is barely above 1080P as a screen, even if I ignore it costs well over 5 times as much as a handheld only switch.

[Not Thread Owner]

1 hour ago, Dudley said:

 

Which iPhone can "do 4k"? the Pro Max is barely above 1080P as a screen, even if I ignore it costs well over 5 times as much as a handheld only switch.

 

12 Pro Max is almost 3.6K. It's 2778x1284

[Arn X Treme]

16 hours ago, Wahwah* said:

I'm glad I've arrived as speculation is going on. 

 

I'm thinking of getting rid of my Switch and waiting to see if they'll introduce a new one. 

 

If I do that, I'd like to backup my saves. Is this still linked to Nintendo Online? Do I need to pay for a sub while I'm console-less?

 

https://www.nintendo.co.uk/Support/Nintendo-Switch/How-to-Back-Up-Save-Data-1434307.html

 

https://www.nintendo.com.au/help/nintendo-switch-online-overview-faq/after-my-nintendo-switch-online-subscription-expires-will-my-save-data-cloud-files-and-nintendo-entertainment-system-nintendo-switch-online-save-data-be-erased

 

"Is my save data retained if I cancel my Nintendo Switch Online membership?

If your Nintendo Switch Online membership expires, you won’t be able to access your Save Data Cloud backups. However, Nintendo will allow users who resubscribe within 180 days to access their previous Save Data Cloud backups."

 

[Transient Curse]

Cheers @Arn Ironjaw

 

[Strafe]

8 hours ago, Strafe said:

I guess today’s the day we get told about the Nintendo direct for tomorrow!

Weird, guess they had a server outage or something.

[Strafe]

8 hours ago, Dudley said:

 

Which iPhone can "do 4k"? the Pro Max is barely above 1080P as a screen, even if I ignore it costs well over 5 times as much as a handheld only switch.

 

I said it can do 4K, not that the screen was. I don’t think a switch pro would have a 4K screen - that would be broadly pointless considering the size - it would just potentially do it in docked mode.

 

The comment was just based on whoever related size of machine to its ability to do 4K (they said the Xbox series S was much bigger than the switch and couldn’t do it, like video output format is directly related to hardware size)

 

[LaveDisco]

52 minutes ago, Strafe said:

 

I said it can do 4K, not that the screen was. I don’t think a switch pro would have a 4K screen - that would be broadly pointless considering the size - it would just potentially do it in docked mode.

 

The comment was just based on whoever related size of machine to its ability to do 4K (they said the Xbox series S was much bigger than the switch and couldn’t do it, like video output format is directly related to hardware size)

 

 

 

My comment was meant to highlight that even with an amount of power, that far outstrips anything a switch pro could have, the correct decision for games is to not hit 4k, but to upscale. 

 

There's no way, nintendo would aim higher for a portable.

[Strafe]

We need to talk about commas.

[kensei]

On 02/02/2021 at 17:50, Oh Danny Boy said:

Because Nintendo don’t chase the Sony/MS market. It’s mad that people think that they’ll abandon their family market to chase ‘gamers’ in their 4K set ups who don’t give a toss about Nintendo consoles as it doesn’t have the best version of COD running on it. 
 

Nintendo will go 4k once its cheap as to do so and once their core market has adopted it. 

 

They'll do DLSS 4K in docked, slap it on their box and their core market won't notice. Neither will most other people until Digitial Foundry zoom in on fine edges. 

[Strafe]

It’s weird how people align Nintendo not chasing the Sony/MS market with not updating their technology to now common standards.

 

Regardless of Nintendo not chasing those markets (and they do to an extent because there is a cross over of people who like Nintendo consoles and PlayStation’s who they naturally want to appeal to as well because they like making money) they are being chased by them. Stuff like xcloud and PlayStation now on your smartphone or tablet offering full console experiences on a handheld are certainly something to consider.

[Stanley]

41 minutes ago, Strafe said:

It’s weird how people align Nintendo not chasing the Sony/MS market with not updating their technology to now common standards.

 

Regardless of Nintendo not chasing those markets (and they do to an extent because there is a cross over of people who like Nintendo consoles and PlayStation’s who they naturally want to appeal to as well because they like making money) they are being chased by them. Stuff like xcloud and PlayStation now on your smartphone or tablet offering full console experiences on a handheld are certainly something to consider.

Nintendo aren’t averse to streaming and in fact have games on Switch such as Hitman 3 which are cloud versions, but at the moment it’s not most peoples preferred way of playing, otherwise we wouldn’t be experiencing the continued growth in the console market that we’re currently seeing - customers for Sony, Nintendo, MS & PC’s obviously prefer playing games locally on the hardware that’s designed to take advantage of them. 
 

I expect by “common standards” you mean 4K, but it’s of no importance whatsoever when you are outselling the competition anyway. 
 

Animal Crossing looks fine whether it’s played handheld, docked, on a 4K display or 720p. 
 

I fully expect any upgrade or “Switch Pro” to be a disappointment to those expecting parity with other console manufacturers or high end phones, it’ll be a modest boost in power and feature some kind of upscaling, because at the end of the day it’s a mobile device that needs to come in at a budget. 

[Strafe]

17 minutes ago, Stanley said:

Nintendo aren’t averse to streaming and in fact have games on Switch such as Hitman 3 which are cloud versions, but at the moment it’s not most peoples preferred way of playing, otherwise we wouldn’t be experiencing the continued growth in the console market that we’re currently seeing - customers for Sony, Nintendo, MS & PC’s obviously prefer playing games locally on the hardware that’s designed to take advantage of them. 
 

I expect by “common standards” you mean 4K, but it’s of no importance whatsoever when you are outselling the competition anyway. 
 

Animal Crossing looks fine whether it’s played handheld, docked, on a 4K display or 720p. 
 

I fully expect any upgrade or “Switch Pro” to be a disappointment to those expecting parity with other console manufacturers or high end phones, it’ll be a modest boost in power and feature some kind of upscaling, because at the end of the day it’s a mobile device that needs to come in at a budget. 

Well exactly, the steaming of the two currently available in the west suggests that Nintendo are willing to look at options the others are doing.

 

I think writing something off as of ‘no importance’ just because of the current situation is rather short sighted. You have to be thinking a few years ahead and beyond.

 

EDIT: I am in no way expecting a switch pro to sit alongside new consoles in power, I just expect it to have a power jump that would give it up-scaled 4K and/or HDR, frame boosts etc . And an OLED screen.  Like a PS4 Pro to a PS4 or whatever.

And joycons that don’t drift after a few months.

[Alex W.]

I wonder if Nintendo have decided to kick any hardware upgrade a few years down the road due to the huge sales spike in 2020. 
 

In late 2019 it would’ve been looking like the Switch was approaching the end of its life cycle and was ready for replacement, both to revitalise sales and make it more technically competitive. Last year’s unexpected popularity will have extended that life cycle, so the benefits of launching new hardware this year are reduced, and the benefits of waiting - like a bigger hardware upgrade that will, itself, get a few extra years  of viability - are increased.

 

Why take a pit stop when you’ve got more fuel in the tank than you expected?

[Stanley]

They released a hardware update (better battery) and the Switch Lite in 2019, but sales were up that year also, in fact sales have been rising steadily since its release in 2017. 
 

But I wouldn’t say it was nearing the end of its cycle in 2019 it had only been on the market two years at that point, even the Wii U had four years. 

[eurisko2k]

16 minutes ago, Alex W. said:

I wonder if Nintendo have decided to kick any hardware upgrade a few years down the road due to the huge sales spike in 2020. 
 

In late 2019 it would’ve been looking like the Switch was approaching the end of its life cycle and was ready for replacement, both to revitalise sales and make it more technically competitive. Last year’s unexpected popularity will have extended that life cycle, so the benefits of launching new hardware this year are reduced, and the benefits of waiting - like a bigger hardware upgrade that will, itself, get a few extra years  of viability - are increased.

 

Why take a pit stop when you’ve got more fuel in the tank than you expected?

 

Depending on the reference HW there working on just updating to a new processor at this point might be costly, especially as the Switch has a Nvidia X1 variant in there and these processors has now been massively superseded with the latest generation of 5mn ARM processors (in the iPhone 12, s21 ect), of which Nvidia doesn't have one officially announced yet. 

 

It would very un-Nintendo to use the latest and greatest technology in their machines (gotta maximise them profits), so expecting a 5mn powered Switch anytime soon would seem highly unlikely especially if they've been working on new HW for a while. 

 

Taking these into account I wouldn't expect Nintendo to drastically shift any release plan for new tech, any real delays could come from pandemic related delays. SW titles behind schedule or production pipeline issues. The fact that both Sony and Microsoft have released new HW in the pandemic it wouldn't seem a massive impediment. 

[Dudley]

22 hours ago, deKay said:

 

12 Pro Max is almost 3.6K. It's 2778x1284

 

That's not how "K" works.

 

If that's 3.6k, 4k is nearly 9k.

 

That Pro Max is considerably closer in pixel count to 1080P than 4k.

 

15 hours ago, Strafe said:

 

I said it can do 4K, not that the screen was. I don’t think a switch pro would have a 4K screen - that would be broadly pointless considering the size - it would just potentially do it in docked mode.

 

The comment was just based on whoever related size of machine to its ability to do 4K (they said the Xbox series S was much bigger than the switch and couldn’t do it, like video output format is directly related to hardware size)

 

 

What?

 

It can do 4k because you've decided it can even though there is absolutely no way it can do 4k? 

 

There is no iPhone that can play games in 4k, even if it had the screen, which it doesn't.  It also costs 4 times as much as a Switch anyway.

 

And this means Nintendo could produce a £300 4k Switch?

[Stanley]

Talking about Apple there are rumours a new more games focussed Apple TV is due 4th quarter 2021 utilising their latest A14X chip, so it is possible Nintendo could be planning something to counter that, seeing as it’s more of a direct competitor.