Nintendo Switch

[monkeydog]

I think the Wiimotes and New 3DS have nice designs. I'd be quite happy with the NX taking a que from those.

[Petrousgyre]

16 minutes ago, monkeydog said:

I think the Wiimotes and New 3DS have nice designs. I'd be quite happy with the NX taking a que from those.

 

[gone fishin]

16 minutes ago, monkeydog said:

I think the Wiimotes and New 3DS have nice designs. I'd be quite happy with the NX taking a que from those.

Exactly. If it is a handheld then hopefully they continue their focus on durability as well. 

[Fatsam]

I think they need to aim higher than the 3DS and Wii remote to be honest. And not only because they have a clean and characterless look to them.

 

The Wiimote is great and everything and is incredibly versatile, but when held as a wand the Playstation Move sits in your hand far more comfortably, features a nice analogue trigger,  and has better button placement. In sideways position the wiimote is pretty horrible to hold and the d-pad is too small. 

And the 3DS is massively compromised for portability. Compare it to playing games on the Wii U Gamepad. 

 

Obviously there have to be small compromises, but when in portable mode, NX has to have a proper analogue stick. And a full one too, not one of those shitty little VITA ones. And I want it to feel at least as comfortable as the Wii U pad feels in my hands. Detachable controllers might have to retain the versatility of the wiimote, but I think they can certainly rethink the button placement and make them a bit more comfortable and stick a proper d-pad on them.

 

Whatever that looks like and how chunky it ends up I don't fucking care that much really. But it would be nice if they launched it in purple.

 

 

 

 

 

[Not Thread Owner]

13 minutes ago, Fatsam said:

 

And the 3DS is massively compromised for portability.

 

 

What? No it isn't.

[Fatsam]

24 minutes ago, deKay said:

 

What? No it isn't.

 

 

What? Yes it is. It's designed to be compact, close up and carry around. So it has shitter controls and isn't as comfortable to hold as the Wii U gamepad. The Wii U pad is how you'd design a handheld without giving any consideration to things like whether it will fit in someones pocket or not. I'm basically requesting that they do that. Not going to happen completely, but I think they can produce a a much better device than the 3DS.

 

A single screen on the NX should at least mean that they can get rid of that circle pad (fingers crossed)

 

[Stanley]

The biggest compromise with the 3DS was the lack of a second analogue stock.

[the_debaser]

The sooner twin analogues are dead as a control standard, the better. 

[monkeydog]

5 minutes ago, the_debaser said:

The sooner twin analogues are dead as a control standard, the better. 

 

What would you prefer the NX used for first person controls or third person games with a user controlled camera?

[the_debaser]

Literally anything. Twin analogues are a massive reason why console gaming isn't as big as it should be. They're a huge barrier to pick up and play. 

[Stanley]

Well no one's come up with better controls for traditional games. 

[the_debaser]

Wiimote

[Not Thread Owner]

Traditional games only need 4 directions and one or two fire buttons.

[Stanley]

Uh oh the daft brigade has arrived.

[Not Thread Owner]

And the 3DS wasn't compromised, it was designed to be how it was. A single stick was a design decision, not a compromise to make it portable.

[Stanley]

6 minutes ago, deKay said:

And the 3DS wasn't compromised, it was designed to be how it was. A single stick was a design decision, not a compromise to make it portable.

So explain the circle pad pro for the original 3DS and the nub on the new 3DS.

[Not Thread Owner]

6 minutes ago, Stanley said:

So explain the circle pad pro for the original 3DS and the nub on the new 3DS.

 

A change in the design decision, and as it's possible therefore proof it wasn't originally compromised to be portable.

 

Nintendo had more powerful and twin sticked 3DS prototypes, but chose what they did for design/simplicity/financial reasons - NOT portability.

[the_debaser]

It was just an attempt to appease people who thought it was incomplete without the second stick. 

[monkeydog]

I thought the explanation was Monster Hunter's popularity.

[Stanley]

You're flailing around looking for an argument. Call it what you want, the 3DS controls were inadequate and thus was addressed with an add on for the original machine and by adding the nub to later models 

[Stanley]

7 minutes ago, the_debaser said:

It was just an attempt to appease people who thought it was incomplete without the second stick. 

Nothing to do with almost all modern games using twin stick controls in some way or other then. It was just to appease a tiny minority.

[Super Craig]

How many games actually support the extra nub?

 

[Stanley]

No idea. I played Majora's Mask with it if that's any help. 

 

The point is, and pretty daft trying to argue otherwise really, is that most games these days use twin stick controls. Through decades of evolution it's become the standard and will remain so until something better comes along.

[Super Craig]

31 minutes ago, Stanley said:

No idea. I played Majora's Mask with it if that's any help. 

 

The point is, and pretty daft trying to argue otherwise really, is that most games these days use twin stick controls. Through decades of evolution it's become the standard and will remain so until something better comes along.

 

It's the standard on home consoles, yes.

[Stanley]

Well NX is a home console, and a portable. So it's going to have to have controls which bridge both. 

[DarhkFox]

1 hour ago, Super Craig said:

How many games actually support the extra nub?

 

 

ones i know - majoras mask, smash bros, resident evil, moon chronicles and the monster hunter games.

[monkeydog]

One of the knock ups doing the rounds had nubs on the detachable controllers so two players had two sticks.  I think that's unlikely, but it would expand the range of multiplayer games.

 

 

[gizmo1990]

I think it's fairly obvious that the NX will need dual sticks, I sincerely hope it has them. It just gives devs more options and on that stand point they need to be included. Alternatively, perhaps Nintendo has come up with some amazing new control which will give the same amount of control freedom and choice? If so brilliant, but it better be great.

 

You only need to look at portable examples such as Kid Icarus or Luigi's Mansion to see how it's to the detriment of the game not to have the dual configuration available.

[Dudley]

 

2 hours ago, the_debaser said:

Wiimote

 

[Not Thread Owner]

Everyone is missing the point I was addressing, which is that the 3DS wasn't compromised because it was portable. It didn't have one stick because it was portable - it had it for other reasons, valid or not.

 

It absolutely didn't have one stick because it is portable, that's an absurd suggestion.