Nintendo Switch

[Alex W.]

Everything that plays games this generation supports motion controls except the Xbox One and PC.

 

It's gonna support motion control.

[Stanley]

Yeah but there's a difference between how DS4 uses motion controls and Wii 

 

It's crucial that it functions like the original Wii Remote.

[Alex W.]

Need it work like the Wii Remote? Without the sensor bar, you can forget those elegant pointer controls.

[Super Craig]

With Skyward Sword, they used the gyroscope as a pointer. It wasn't as good as the IR pointer, but it was still usable.

[Stanley]

Absolutely, it has to work like that. It's what made the Wii a huge success. 

 

I'm sure whatever sensors or other tech required could just be incorporated into the device itself. 

[BruceBruce]

17 minutes ago, Super Craig said:

With Skyward Sword, they used the gyroscope as a pointer. It wasn't as good as the IR pointer, but it was still usable.

 

Is that why I had to randomly resync it with a flat surface every 20 minutes or so?

[Super Craig]

6 minutes ago, BruceBruce said:

 

Is that why I had to randomly resync it with a flat surface every 20 minutes or so?

 

Yep.

[Stanley]

You could actually play Skyward Sword lying down side on to your TV, remote pointing at the wall and the controls still worked. It fucked up a bit sometimes but I found it largely fine when i stopped thinking about it, or resyncing it every few minutes. Besides, I'm sure this kind of tech is much better now.

[Guest]

I love how you say that everything since the Wii has been a step backwards in control, but then go on to say that you were always resyncing it in Skyward Sword! I've never had that trouble with a normal pad!

 

The problem for me is, I just don't get on with motion controls, so if everything ends up going that way - not that I think it will - then it's time for me to find a new hobby.

[auntyclimax]

Spoiler

 

Early DS design.

[Stanley]

21 minutes ago, Jon said:

I love how you say that everything since the Wii has been a step backwards in control, but then go on to say that you were always resyncing it in Skyward Sword! I've never had that trouble with a normal pad!

I don't mean in terms of actually controlling games. Sticks and buttons function well for the most part. But in terms of form factor, ease of use and simplicity everything else does feel clunky in comparison.

[DeNeo]

4 hours ago, Stanley said:

It will definitely use motion controls. It's the most natural way to interact with a TV. Everything since Wii has been a backwards step in that regard. 

 

With regards to waggle I don't anticipate many games relying on it, or at least offering alternative options. It is after all a handheld and needs to function as such.

 

Exactly - if the NX is what the Eurogamer report says it is, every game would have to have multiple control options.

 

So if there was a Wii Sports Tennis port, swinging the racket could be done by pressing A, swiping the touchscreen, or motion control (when the controllers are detached). 

 

You're not going to need to use 'waggle' when it's in portable mode, but it makes complete sense for it to use it when docked. Especially as they'll no doubt sell Wii games on the Virtual Console. 

[Alex W.]

7 hours ago, DeNeo said:

So if there was a Wii Sports Tennis port, swinging the racket could be done by pressing A, swiping the touchscreen, or motion control (when the controllers are detached). 

 

Why? You can still detach the controllers when it's portable, why not use the same motion controls when it's docked or portable? Why have touchscreen-only controls at all?

 

The only difference with having the system docked should be that the image is showing up on your TV rather than the device screen.

[RubberJohnny]

 

I quite like these DF Retro videos

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Alex W. said:

 

Why? You can still detach the controllers when it's portable, why not use the same motion controls when it's docked or portable? Why have touchscreen-only controls at all?

 

The only difference with having the system docked should be that the image is showing up on your TV rather than the device screen.

How are you supposed to hold the screen and the detached controllers at the same time? Also, imagine trying to play some waggle game while you're on the train.

[Qazimod]

13 hours ago, Alex W. said:

Everything that plays games this generation supports motion controls except the Xbox One and PC.

 

It's gonna support motion control.

 

PC could support motion control if it wanted to!... although I admit there isn't exactly a thriving scene for Razer Hydra-optimised games

[neoELITE]

On 07/28/16 at 09:35, angel said:

That's not my point though, that was just an aside. I don't want to play games with my hands a foot apart holding a massive tablet.

 

It's about 20cm, that's not a foot. It's something that's easy to get used to. Splatoon without the control aspect given by the tablet (it's a game pad) would be very different. It's essentially a pad with the accuracy of a mouse so it combines the best aspects of traditional console and PC FPS's. If it didn't work, that'd be a valid point however, it works perfectly.

I won't even bother with a critique of your opinion on a game you've only watched on Youtube actually.... pointless.

[Super Craig]

9 minutes ago, neoELITE said:

 

It's about 20cm, that's not a foot. It's something that's easy to get used to. Splatoon without the control aspect given by the tablet (it's a game pad) would be very different. It's essentially a pad with the accuracy of a mouse so it combines the best aspects of traditional console and PC FPS's. If it didn't work, that'd be a valid point however, it works perfectly.

I won't even bother with a critique of your opinion on a game you've only watched on Youtube actually.... pointless.

 

I like the Splatoon controls, but it doesn't work perfectly (calibration button?) and it's not like a mouse at all.

[Danster]

On 7/27/2016 at 08:11, RubberJohnny said:

People moaning about clickbait seems to be the new idiot detector, loads of people doing it for PS4.5 news stories that were accurate simply because they didn't want them to be true. Actual clickbait seemed to die with Upworthy and Facebook algorithm changes in like 2013.

 

17 Things that you won't believe about Nintendo!

[squirtle]

Eurogamer speculating about virtual console stuff here: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2016-could-nx-bring-gamecube-and-wii-titles-to-virtual-console-in-theory

 

This did get me thinking though... What if the two parts of the machine were to be sold separately? You'd have to buy the mobile bit as that's where the main guts of the machine were, but what if you didn't have to buy it with the hub? Would that work? You could buy them both together, or as separate components. This gives them a nicer enter price point and they still only need to develop one set of games whilst pleasing those who may just want a mobile gaming device and those who want a full home console.

[Stanley]

1 hour ago, Jon said:

How are you supposed to hold the screen and the detached controllers at the same time? Also, imagine trying to play some waggle game while you're on the train.

Well you wouldn't, would you. 

[NEG]

Unless the screen works like a wiimote somehow. (it won't)

 

Shake that thing to everyone on the train.

[Nathan Wind]

The screen comes with a penis holster on the back so you can clip it to your raging hard-on for Nintendo. Leaving your hands free to waggle away.

 

 

[gone fishin]

I'd be incredibly surprised if the NX didn't use some of the Wii U's video streaming technology, even if it's from the handheld to a docking station. Meaning I can see the "dock" not actually needing the controller to be physically connected to play on TV, unless it's to charge it.

 

I also think there was talk of the handheld part being released in Q2 next year (with an HDMI dongle) and the docking station that boosts performance being released later. 

 

Nintendo are usually great with rugged handheld design, the removable controller bits also sound too easily broken for a handheld that will be used by kids. Even if the handheld part needs to be physically attached to the docking station, the easier thing would be just to bundle a Wii U Pro type controller with the docking station.

[Stanley]

9 minutes ago, moora said:

 

I also think there was talk of the handheld part being released in Q2 next year (with an HDMI dongle) and the docking station that boosts performance being released later. 

I think the handheld and dock will be released simultaneously in Mar, sold separately or as a bundle, with a TV only model following later in the year. In order to realise their vision it'd be pointless releasing the handheld without the dock.

[Protocol Penguin]

1 hour ago, Stanley said:

I think the handheld and dock will be released simultaneously in Mar, sold separately or as a bundle, with a TV only model following later in the year. In order to realise their vision it'd be pointless releasing the handheld without the dock.

They really shouldn't do that. Nintendo already confuses consumers enough with their products.

 

One console, one product, no recycling old product names.

[DeNeo]

3 hours ago, Alex W. said:

 

Why? You can still detach the controllers when it's portable, why not use the same motion controls when it's docked or portable? Why have touchscreen-only controls at all?

 

The only difference with having the system docked should be that the image is showing up on your TV rather than the device screen.

 

You're not going to be able to detach the controllers when you're on public transport - it'd need to be all-in-one to make it truly portable, otherwise why attach the controllers to the screen at all?

[Stanley]

1 hour ago, Protocol Penguin said:

They really shouldn't do that. Nintendo already confuses consumers enough with their products.

 

One console, one product, no recycling old product names.

I get you, but we've already received rumours of the two part launch.

 

Besides, there shouldn't be any confusion; the software would run on whatever setup you choose - handheld only, handheld plus TV dock, or TV only.

 

It's a more simplified system than before where they've historically always had separate handheld and home consoles on the market together, each requiring system specific software.

 

It's no different from Apple, Amazon Fire etc. either. 

[Alex W.]

3 hours ago, Stanley said:

Well you wouldn't, would you. 

Exactly. Just because the platform can be handheld doesn't mean all the games have to played that way. Potentially.

[Alex W.]

1 hour ago, DeNeo said:

 

You're not going to be able to detach the controllers when you're on public transport - it'd need to be all-in-one to make it truly portable, otherwise why attach the controllers to the screen at all?

 

I can't play AR games on public transport and that didn't really stop all the handheld platforms supporting AR.