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2 minutes ago, CovisGod said:

I decided a few months back that unwanted to go Digital Only with the Switch, part of its charm is it being so massively portable and rather than taking a load of carts with me on trains I like the idea of Switching between say Mario and Skyrim at will, without the cart swapping. So I sold my only few cart games, Zelda, Skyrim and Isaac. And started getting all my games via the eShop.

 

I decided today with a 3 day course coming up tomorrow I'd download Zelda and carry on from where I left off........UNTIL I SAW THE PRICE, £60 !!!!! I can't justify spending £60 on any game, let alone a digital game and let alone a game I've already bought for £50 and sold for £30. I had guessed at £42-£47 Mark and would have probably paid £50 but £60 ? I'm not having that......It's actually made me rethink the whole going digital thing, especially with the current lack of cloud saves if all new big releases will be £10, sometimes £20 more than there physical counterparts. 

 

So that's where I'm at, regretting selling my carts and putting off making the Switch my first ever digital only console, if anyone sees Zelda for cheap anywhere, let me know...

 

Had the same experience with Zelda... I was going digital only... then £60?! Ended up getting a physical cart for £39 online (which I can re-sell if I want to).

 

I appreciate that Nintendo have to keep to the RRP to keep inline with retailers at but still.... the other problem I have with spending something like £60 on digital products is if they take the game out of the back catalogue so you can no longer download it... Don't mind for £5-10 games... but £60?

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I agree; even with the foreign eshops, most of the time I still think the digital versions of retail games are too much to bother with. You can't resell the game if you don't like it, either, and I tend to play one game at a time anyway, so the convenience argument doesn't affect me. Plus, I like having all the boxes on order on my shelf :wub:

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1 hour ago, MattyP said:

 

.. the other problem I have with spending something like £60 on digital products is if they take the game out of the back catalogue so you can no longer download it... Don't mind for £5-10 games... but £60?

 

When has this happened?

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Physical all the way, here. I can buy stuff second hand, and if so don’t like it (hellooo Bomberman R!) then resell it for the same price.

 

TBH, I find the inconvenience of having to save and close my software equal to the faff of dealing with carts. If the digital version of Puyo Puyo Tetris let me play it without having to close Xenoblade, iPad style, then it would be worth the premium. 

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18 minutes ago, Kieran said:

Not sure if this should be here or eshop thread but is there anything like Adavnce Wars on the Switch? Sat Iin a hotel room with a longing to play something similar.

 

Tiny Metal. It’s not as good, but it’s not bad and scratches that itch. I completed it on a recent hotel stay myself!

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14 hours ago, JPickford said:

 

When has this happened?

 

True not that I know of yet... however still places control of your software collection in the suppliers hands.... Don't get me wrong I have bought lots of digital content on Steam, Xbox, PSN etc but they have always been bought because they are cheaper than a physical product. Guess if I'm spending £60 just want something tangible and physical for my money... think also the fact I got burnt once with Nintendo... I bought a fair few digital titles on the Wii Virtual Console.. moved them onto the WiiU... then when I sold on the WiiU I effectively lost my games as I couldn't transfer them back to the Wii again - the Nintendo account system was machine based and not account based which was mildly annoying. With the Xbox I could still play titles I bought back on the 360 when they became available via BC on the XBO. Same with Steam (could still play HL2 which I bought back in 2004 on the PC and on the Mac when that version came out too for no extra cost!!!).

 

I believe this has now changed with Nintendo as the purchases are linked to an account....  still just emphasises how much control you are handing over with digital. Although to be fair its the way things are going... still prefer physical media with Ninty systems until they can demonstrate a solid digital platform  :)

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The other thing I’ve found is that Nintendo first party titles hold their value pretty well, so if I’m going to go physical on anything it’s their stuff.  This year I got £35 for Majora’s Mask in CEX!

 

The nature of the games though means I don’t tend to part with them easily, as the decades go by it’s easier to think about playing them again if I see them on a shelf too :) 

 

It is more convenient having games on the machine itself for sure, but I’ve got myself a little game card case to carry around with me which is brilliant.

 

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16 hours ago, CovisGod said:

I decided a few months back that I wanted to go Digital Only with the Switch, part of its charm is it being so massively portable and rather than taking a load of carts with me on trains I like the idea of Switching between say Mario and Skyrim at will, without the cart swapping. So I sold my only few cart games, Zelda, Skyrim and Isaac. And started getting all my games via the eShop.

 

I decided today with a 3 day course coming up tomorrow I'd download Zelda and carry on from where I left off........UNTIL I SAW THE PRICE, £60 !!!!! I can't justify spending £60 on any game, let alone a digital game and let alone a game I've already bought for £50 and sold for £30. I had guessed at £42-£47 Mark and would have probably paid £50 but £60 ? I'm not having that......It's actually made me rethink the whole going digital thing, especially with the current lack of cloud saves and if all new big releases will be £10, sometimes £20 more than their physical counterparts. 

 

So that's where I'm at, regretting selling my carts and putting off making the Switch my first ever digital only console, if anyone sees Zelda for cheap anywhere, let me know...

The only non-digital game on Switch is probably the cardboard in Labo. Stop getting digital wrong.

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1 minute ago, Mr Cochese said:

The only non-digital game on Switch is probably the cardboard in Labo. Stop getting digital wrong.

 

Then here's your chance to explain to me where I'm going wrong because I haven't a clue what you're talking about

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1 minute ago, CovisGod said:

Then here's your chance to explain to me where I'm going wrong because I haven't a clue what you're talking about

All video games are digital. That's kind of their thing. I think you're trying to talk about downloads rather than carts and getting confused.

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56 minutes ago, MattyP said:

True not that I know of yet... however still places control of your software collection in the suppliers hands....

 

This is the bit I don't get. I've got the software, it's on my Switch. Unless *I* delete it, it's not going anywhere. I'm in control of that. I could even take a copy of what's on my SD card if I really felt the need to as well.

 

I get some of the hesitation, but for me the chances of Nintendo taking a game down and me never being able to get hold of it again (because I've deleted it as well) are far less likely than me just losing a cartridge. If I lose a cartridge, that's it. Game gone. You can't download it again.

 

Everyone will always have a preference, I just think there are pros and cons on both sides - it's not so clear cut that having a physical copy makes you in any way 'safer' in the future in my eyes.

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17 minutes ago, rgraves said:

 

This is the bit I don't get. I've got the software, it's on my Switch. Unless *I* delete it, it's not going anywhere. I'm in control of that. I could even take a copy of what's on my SD card if I really felt the need to as well.

 

I get some of the hesitation, but for me the chances of Nintendo taking a game down and me never being able to get hold of it again (because I've deleted it as well) are far less likely than me just losing a cartridge. If I lose a cartridge, that's it. Game gone. You can't download it again.

 

Everyone will always have a preference, I just think there are pros and cons on both sides - it's not so clear cut that having a physical copy makes you in any way 'safer' in the future in my eyes.

 

Agree pros and cons... think the main sticking point for me is with my recent Zelda buy. Simple fact: £40 (physical) vs £60 (download). How can that be right really? No distribution costs/ making a physical cart / packaging with download etc etc. I know there is a RRP that retailers seem to undercut but.... until this gets sorted I will go where I can get the games cheapest TBH download or physical - although I'd love to have all my games installed for convenience. The fact they can be sold on (and digital downloads not yet)  is just another bonus really. If the physical version is cheaper I really can't see any advantage in a digital download over a physical copy - other than as mentioned you can re-download again where as a physical thing can be damaged or lost (neither have happened to me BTW as I am careful with my media!).

 

Also with respect to control... yes it is on your device and you can do what you want with it... but what if you lose your internet connection and are unable to download it again? What happens if the authentication system fails on the server and you can't play your downloaded game? What if network traffic is such that it takes over a day to get your content back again... Just a few thoughts... 

 

Personally though I'll go where I can get the content the cheapest TBH. If Zelda would have been £40 on the store and £60 to buy physical I would have bought it on the store....

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24 minutes ago, Nequests said:

 

Well, there's this....

 

https://www.nintendo.com/whatsnew/detail/wii-shop-closure-announcement

 

Love it this news piece ends with "Your Friends at Nintendo"... PMSL.... really. Sorry. I know the Wii is now dead. Same as the 360 technically is for MS but I can still download my 360 games I bought back in 2005. I know we shouldn't care but there are expectations here when you buy things from e-stores.

 

Anyway this is what worries me about Nintendo sometimes.... Hopefully the new e-store will mean that everything going forward just works with future hardware or at least you will be able to download in years to come on older hardware.

 

With Steam it has a proven track record.... and games are much cheaper. Nintendo have't given me the same confidence yet with their download service. 

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42 minutes ago, Mr Cochese said:

All video games are digital. That's kind of their thing. I think you're trying to talk about downloads rather than carts and getting confused.

 

Digital is the accepted term for download only titles.  He's not confused you are being pedantic.  

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26 minutes ago, MattyP said:

 

Agree pros and cons... think the main sticking point for me is with my recent Zelda buy. Simple fact: £40 (physical) vs £60 (download). How can that be right really? No distribution costs/ making a physical cart / packaging with download etc etc. I know there is a RRP that retailers seem to undercut but.... until this gets sorted I will go where I can get the games cheapest TBH download or physical - although I'd love to have all my games installed for convenience. The fact they can be sold on (and digital downloads not yet)  is just another bonus really. If the physical version is cheaper I really can't see any advantage in a digital download over a physical copy - other than as mentioned you can re-download again where as a physical thing can be damaged or lost (neither have happened to me BTW as I am careful with my media!).

 

Also with respect to control... yes it is on your device and you can do what you want with it... but what if you lose your internet connection and are unable to download it again? What happens if the authentication system fails on the server and you can't play your downloaded game? What if network traffic is such that it takes over a day to get your content back again... Just a few thoughts... 

 

Personally though I'll go where I can get the content the cheapest TBH. If Zelda would have been £40 on the store and £60 to buy physical I would have bought it on the store....

 

It's already been pointed out though, you can get digital Zelda for £44. If you're prepared to shop around for a physical release to get it under RRP, you have to do the same for a digital one (and that means South Africa\Russia for the eShop at the moment I believe).

 

And I'm not certain I follow your piece on internet connection - the Switch doesn't need one - once you've downloaded a game it's there, it doesn't need to be connected to play it. There is no authentication needed. Unless *you* delete it, it'll always be there and playable (with caveats around online games and servers etc).

 

The big advantage for digital to me is convenience - I don't have to carry cartridges or swap them over etc. I much prefer just being able to select any game from the home screen and be able to play it right away. I'm happy to pay a premium for that alone really, and the 'safety' that comes from knowing I can't lose or damage it is a bonus.

 

All that said, I do think digital pricing needs to be looked at - you are right in that you'd think it should be cheaper given the savings made in terms of delivery. But, I also appreciate (assume?) there are probably some legal issues/rules around pricing parity that I don't know enough about.

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1 minute ago, rgraves said:

And I'm not certain I follow your piece on internet connection - the Switch doesn't need one - once you've downloaded a game it's there, it doesn't need to be connected to play it. There is no authentication needed. Unless *you* delete it, it'll always be there and playable (with caveats around online games and servers etc).

 

The big advantage for digital to me is convenience - I don't have to carry cartridges or swap them over etc. I much prefer just being able to select any game from the home screen and be able to play it right away. I'm happy to pay a premium for that alone really, and the 'safety' that comes from knowing I can't lose or damage it is a bonus.

 

All that said, I do think digital pricing needs to be looked at - you are right in that you'd think it should be cheaper given the savings made in terms of delivery. But, I also appreciate (assume?) there are probably some legal issues/rules around pricing parity that I don't know enough about.

 

Just meant that if you delete a game or want to re-download it you are at the mercy of the e-store working and an internet connection. Also if the store shuts down at some point in the future etc.... 

 

Agree on convenience etc of downloaded games... My main gripe is price. I was actually going to buy Zelda on download... and I really shouldn't have to mess about on different stores to get get a price parity with UK online stores with physical copies should I?!....

 

Anyhow sure it will get sorted at some point and fair play to Nintendo they will charge what people will pay. If they are selling copies of Zelda at £59 on the store then why not....

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6 minutes ago, MattyP said:

Agree on convenience etc of downloaded games... My main gripe is price. I was actually going to buy Zelda on download... and I really shouldn't have to mess about on different stores to get get a price parity with UK online stores with physical copies should I?!....

 

I don't see going to a different eShop as being any different from going to a different online retailer really. To get the best price for the cartridge you'll probably check a few third-party stores and sites - you're not getting physical for £40 direct from Nintendo either.

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