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TehStu

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3 hours ago, Mr Cochese said:

Comcast is arguably the worse option in terms of oligopoly, as it’s vertical market integration.

Yes. Of those shit sandwiches, I'll take the Fox Disney combo with fries. So that's 60% of Hulu they have now, too. And I'm guessing FSN assets will be rolled into ESPN. That's... actually not a good thing, if they put it behind the ESPN+ paywall.

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10 hours ago, TehStu said:

Yes. Of those shit sandwiches, I'll take the Fox Disney combo with fries. So that's 60% of Hulu they have now, too. And I'm guessing FSN assets will be rolled into ESPN. That's... actually not a good thing, if they put it behind the ESPN+ paywall.

 

That's okay, it's just sports.

 

 

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6 hours ago, BruceBruce said:

 

That's okay, it's just sports.

 

 

Ironically, you're still paying for it. ESPN dues are independent of TV subscription, because of the  (increasingly limited) mobile access you get. I have local only TV, and yet they still charge me a fee. Off the top of my head, it's a couple of bucks.

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I like that X-Men is its own thing and doesn't have to be part of the interminable MCU.

 

I like superheros being able to exist in a world where they are the only super thing around. With MCU, none of the heroes feel special anymore because it's a universe in which there are hundreds or thousands or millions of supers.

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Mr Cochese said:

http://www.vulture.com/2018/06/what-is-the-gayest-marvel-movie.html

 

That's superb. 

 

Doctor Strange:

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The film’s breakout character is a fancy cloak that likes to maul evil hunks.

 

Ragnarok:

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Confirms that Cate Blanchett is using her late 40s in the same way Kristen Stewart has been using her late 20s: to turn everybody lesbian

 

Civil War:

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- [...] the film cuts from a different action sequence to Vision standing in his kitchen, queening out about paprika.

 

- I’m not saying Vision reminds me of a lot of gay men I know, but he does love cashmere sweaters and Elizabeth Olsen. 

 

 

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2 hours ago, Smitty said:

I like that X-Men is its own thing and doesn't have to be part of the interminable MCU.

 

I like superheros being able to exist in a world where they are the only super thing around. With MCU, none of the heroes feel special anymore because it's a universe in which there are hundreds or thousands of supers.

 

 

 

That’s not really something you can level at the MCU though Smitty - the comic-based Marvel Universe has been that way for 50-odd years. A huge amount of their roster have always lived in and around New York and interracted with eachother, including the X-Teams.

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1 hour ago, Jammy said:

That’s not really something you can level at the MCU though Smitty - the comic-based Marvel Universe has been that way for 50-odd years. A huge amount of their roster have always lived in and around New York and interracted with eachother, including the X-Teams. 

 

I can level it at the MCU because its true of the MCU. The MCU and the comics are definitionally different things, and i'm not bothered by what is the case in the comics when discussing the MCU.

 

I've started to miss the sense of characters being truly exceptional in superhero films, something which happens because every superhero films must exist in a universe for the purposes of marketing and making money.

 

I like that in the Fox X Men universe the only super individuals are those who have been randomly genetically mutated. It makes the idea of their social reality more compelling.

 

The MCU is so bloated and so overwhelming in its cultural saturation, it's reached almost Star Wars levels of it in just ten years. I'm not happy to see yet more characters get sucked back into it. There are other ways of handling the material other than the Marvel/Disney way.

 

Aside from that issue, this is just going to give Disney so much power. It'll be too big and it'll be bad for consumers and potentially for creatives.

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TehStu

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Yeah. I know "lol sports", but it does consolidate their grip on it, and that's not a good thing. I mean, who is ESPN's rival? The dregs that NBC buy up? Aside from that, you have the individual organizations with their own channels/streaming solutions (e.g., MLB TV).

 

But this is the way we're heading. At least it's a merger of content creation, because making the content and owning the pipes is dangerous. I'll eat my hat if the AT&T/TW merger doesn't screw everyone.

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1 hour ago, Smitty said:

 

I can level at the MCU because its true of the MCU. The MCU and the comics are definitionally different things, and i'm not bothered by what is the case in the comics when discussing the MCU.

 

I've started to miss the sense of characters being truly exceptional in superhero films, something which happens because every superhero films must exist in a universe for the purposes of marketing and making money.

 

I like that in the Fox X Men universe the only super individuals are those who have been randomly genetically mutated. It makes the idea of their social reality more compelling.

 

The MCU is so bloated and so overwhelming in its cultural saturation, it's reached almost Star Wars levels of it in just ten years. I'm not happy to see yet more characters get sucked back into it. There are other ways of handling the material other than the Marvel/Disney way.

 

Aside from that issue, this is just going to give Disney so much power. It'll be too big and it'll be bad for consumers and potentially for creatives.

Fair enough sir. I guess it doesn’t bother me because I’ve been reading the comics for, god, probably 40 years, so I’m used to them all living on top of eachother. Even in a cluttered universe they managed to differentiate the X-mutants from other heroes and single them out as being feared by humans whilst the other heroes (even though most of then have suffered ‘mutation’ in one way or another due to accidental or deliberate molecular tampering) get a free pass.

 

The Disney/Fox deal is an interesting/terrifying one, as Comcast also put their hat in the ring for Sky. Since Fox are also in the running, it may still mean Sky ends up under Disney’s control too.

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16 hours ago, Smitty said:

I like that in the Fox X Men universe the only super individuals are those who have been randomly genetically mutated. It makes the idea of their social reality more compelling.

 

I've thought this for a while.  In a world in which everyone seems fairly used to superheroes flying around all over the place, would there really be such an averse reaction to the arrival of mutants? It seems less likely somehow, and the X-Men much less important.

 

They can reboot it all they like, but I'd much rather they left it as its own thing.

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I dunno. All the current MCU heroes are powered by tech, or some kind of experimentation, or they're straight-up aliens. Mutation would still be this possibility lurking in the corner of people's lives, the fear of waking up one day completely changed (sometimes unpleasantly so). That's still a very different situation than knowing Tony Stark built a suit, or even that Thor came from another world.

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