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Djx

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On 18/10/2017 at 15:48, Mr Cochese said:

Is use of holographic technology meant to be cultural appropriation now? I don't even...

I was writing in terms of using that said technology for romantic purposes considering Japan has stuff like Love Plus, Chobits, the Gatebox tech etc.

It was just a thought that threw me off being able to take the K & Joi relationship seriously.

 

Anyway, with regards to discussing other aspects of the film, 2 questions that I don't think were answered in the film -

 

1.) How did everyone know K was a replicant?
2.) What was up with the bees scene?
 

 

 

BMD had an article about the film but it seemed to be a tad over-analytical - http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/10/14/the-poetry-of-blade-runner-2049

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Do we still need spoilers? Anyway...

 

I don't think it was immediately obvious to everyone. Probably just common knowledge at work (known they bought a replicant rather than hired a human, sorta thing), and I guess the people in his building just found out at some point (for one thing he wasn't shy about introducing himself as "KD93etc").[/spolier]

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1 hour ago, Djx said:

 

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2.) What was up with the bees scene?
 

 

 

 

 

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Well I guess Deckard was using them as a food source.

 

But in terms of symbolism...if his daughter was deliberately planting memories in replicants heads from the safety of her bubble (or nest), I guess there's some parallels with a queen bee sending off drones to do her work?

 

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5 hours ago, Djx said:

 

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2.) What was up with the bees scene?
 

 

 

 

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Assumed it was a pointer that the whole area was not anywhere as deserted as everyone was led to believe.

 

Then one of my favourite bits in the film, a reference to Leon putting his hand in Chew’s eye goo and it coming out covered. And him not giving a shit.

 

 

Thst was my take anyway.

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I saw this a second time last night. I was super hungover the first time around so there was loads of details I only picked up on the second viewing. Cinema was relatively packed too. Hopefully this did better in Europe than the states. 

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Just back from this and I thought it was an absolutely brilliant film. It had so much potential to be shit, but it treated the original with respect and build upon the themes and explored additional ones. I didn't think there was a dud performance in the whole thing and the cinematography and sparse soundtrack were astounding. I haven't fully processed it all in my head yet but this is easily up there with the finest movies of this year. As a counterpoint to my opinion my friend fell asleep twice and thought it was "fucking boring". Can't please all the people... 

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I enjoyed this, it's nice to have something that's so decompressed, I find films so ADHD in their pacing nowadays. And it's just an audiovisual treat, I love these huge rolling soundscapes that are in style now, just the score swelling and cresting over you. And the plot went in some genuinely surprising directions, introducing some more conventional plots that it could have done (Sappers' squad, the replicant resistance) and then just moving past them.

 

My biggest problem is that it's basically a Blade Runner sequel when it doesn't need to be, they could easily have told this story in a different setting. While those cyberpunk cityscapes look lovely, the problem with the original being so influential is I've seen this sort of thing or something inspired by this sort of thing a lot, to the point where something that was originally supposed to be alienating is now a bit too familiar, a nostalgic comfort zone rather than foreign.

 

Given the bulk of the film was set in ruined ecological areas, garbage tips with children digging through old electronics for rare earth resources, cities abandoned due to terrorism and near global warming seawalls - all of which are based in concerns that are a bit more contemporary, it wouldn't have been too big a change, just tweak the one bit that isn't in those places.

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7 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

I enjoyed this, it's nice to have something that's so decompressed, I find films so ADHD in their pacing nowadays. And it's just an audiovisual treat, I love these huge rolling soundscapes that are in style now, just the score swelling and cresting over you. And the plot went in some genuinely surprising directions, introducing some more conventional plots that it could have done (Sappers' squad, the replicant resistance) and then just moving past them.

 

My biggest problem is that it's basically a Blade Runner sequel when it doesn't need to be, they could easily have told this story in a different setting. While those cyberpunk cityscapes look lovely, the problem with the original being so influential is I've seen this sort of thing or something inspired by this sort of thing a lot, to the point where something that was originally supposed to be alienating is now a bit too familiar, a nostalgic comfort zone rather than foreign.

 

Given the bulk of the film was set in ruined ecological areas, garbage tips with children digging through old electronics for rare earth resources, cities abandoned due to terrorism and near global warming seawalls - all of which are based in concerns that are a bit more contemporary, it wouldn't have been too big a change, just tweak the one bit that isn't in those places.

Of course, the film would never exist were it not a Blade Runner sequel. At least, not with the same budget and attracting the same talent.

 

I've come to accept that in order to get decent genre films with adequate budgets they need to be hung on recognisable names, or they won't get made. Who would make a big-budget new cyberpunk franchise in this day and age?

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My point was it doesn't need to be cyberpunk. The cyberpunk 1980s stuff is what's dated, overfamiliar, overdone - the most interesting bits were the bits that were clearly a vision of the future for us here in the 2010s - the endless solar farms and electronics scrapheaps and dead zones and seawalls, etc.

 

And it's not like being on a recognisable name helped it, is it? So I reject that premise.

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3 minutes ago, RubberJohnny said:

My point was it doesn't need to be cyberpunk. The cyberpunk 1980s stuff is what's dated, overfamiliar, overdone - the most interesting bits were the bits that were clearly a vision of the future for us here in the 2010s - the endless solar farms and electronics scrapheaps and dead zones and seawalls, etc.

 

And it's not like being on a recognisable name helped it, is it?

No but that's only with hindsight. Clearly Alcon were banking on the BR name to help their big-budget sci-fi investment make a tidy profit.

 

I dunno - I can't imagine you'd be able to create such a sumptuous vision of the future without a brand name attached. Only Neill Blomkamp has been able to do it in recent years and I guess that's because he's able to work wonders with limited funds.

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If it hadn't been a Blade Runner sequel I may not have bothered to go and see it, I would have thought it is probably some more formulaic Hollywood pap. Villeneuve being involved may have got me along but I wouldn't have held much hope. I was pleasantly surprised.

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Watched this for the second time today, felt like a second viewing is essential to digest the scale of the thing. 

 

Couple of questions... How does K know where to intercept Deckard and Luv? And how would he be able to get another car?  

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4 hours ago, Pob said:

 

I've come to accept that in order to get decent genre films with adequate budgets they need to be hung on recognisable names, or they won't get made. Who would make a big-budget new cyberpunk franchise in this day and age?

 

Yet ironically I believe it would have performed better theatrically (given the same spend and talent) if it were unaffiliated to Blade Runner and marketed as something new and visionary.

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4 hours ago, Pob said:

No but that's only with hindsight. Clearly Alcon were banking on the BR name to help their big-budget sci-fi investment make a tidy profit.

 

I dunno - I can't imagine you'd be able to create such a sumptuous vision of the future without a brand name attached. Only Neill Blomkamp has been able to do it in recent years and I guess that's because he's able to work wonders with limited funds.

 

Interstellar, Inception, District 9, The Martian

 

While I agree there are only a tiny amount of examples, I believe that is down to risk averse franchise obsessed studios and not because of audience apathy

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