Blade Runner 2049

[Sidewaysbob]

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The shop keeper guy said a dirty bomb had irradiated the place, and judging by the people in San Diego, leaving the city was pretty dangerous.

 

[Bazjam]

15 minutes ago, peeveen said:

 

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I never thought there was any suggestion of holobabe being anything other than a hologram. To be honest, if there had been, it would have been too big a leap of the imagination for me. That kinda thing is just bollocks.

 

 

What confused me more is: why is Harrison Ford the only guy living in the plush luxury of an abandoned Vegas casino? There was some waffle about radiation, but you'd think the tech savvy population of this future world would have quickly realised that the place was now habitable again, and swarms of people would have abandoned the cramped and crumbling slums of LA.

 

 

Deckard can live there because he's a replicant [/spolier]

[Sidewaysbob]

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Or is he ....... 

 

[peeveen]

Not buying either of those.

The little camera scan thing that Ryan Gosling did said "Radiation Levels: nominal", so any radiation danger was gone ... any pleb could live there, seemingly.

And surely LA isn't the only city left in America? Other people could've made their way to Vegas and re-populated it. The film made it out to be a ghost town.

Little things like that annoy me ... but it was a good watch nonetheless.

[Sidewaysbob]

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We see one little bit of the place, one hotel. Maybe there were more people hiding out there, but we're not looking for them. There wasn't much to tie Deckard to the Bees was there. Just that the place was safe for bees, dogs and some old guy and his arsenal of booby-traps.

 

[Sabreman]

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Joi certainly had no physical presence. What's happening in the rain scene is one of the most fascinating examples of K's relationship to her. He's hover-handing throughout because to 'clip' into her would break the illusion he's allowing himself to experience. It's what makes that dynamic so ultimately tragic.

 

There's a lot to be said about Joi and the nature of what she is. She's an AI program designed to give the customer everything he or she wants, but in the fine tradition of Blade Runner, does she have any real sense of self? Does she feel anything for K (the name she gives him is also the boilerplate name the giant advert says when it stops him on the bridge). The romantic in me likes to think she goes 'off mission', but even helping him out with the investigation would only be part of her job to support him in everything he does. However... would an AI use its last moment of 'existence' to blurt out "I love you"?

 

This is the kind of stuff that makes the film special, once you start digging into it.

 

I came out of the film thinking it a solid 4-starrer. But I saw it with a friend and we spent the next three hours breaking it down and discussing every aspect of it, and it's that conversation and deep look at the film that bumped it into 5-star territory for me.

[ryanm]

48 minutes ago, Down by Law said:

 

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 It's also a cracking example of how we really on technology so much that it was almost a warning of sorts that eventually people will end up living alone with only a software program for company

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Note that K didn't really have much choice in living companions: humans hate him because he's a replicant, replicants hate him because he's a blade runner.

 

[5R7]

was anyone else a little let down by

 

the lack of THAT umbrella! i mean its a staple, people sell "blade runner umbrella" , i know its a tiny inconsequential thing, but it really bugged me lol

[charley farley]

35 minutes ago, Captain LeChuck said:

Genuinely surprised there's not more talk in here. Maybe after this weekend.

 

I really do need to see this again. One thing I did like, is that the film touched on a suspicion I'd held for a long time:

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That the meeting of Deckard and Rachael was deliberate. Niander Wallace* explicitly implies that as truth, but he's a cunt trying hurt Deckard. 

 

*Why is the name, Niander Wallace, so familair?  It bugged me during the film, and is still bugging me now!! 

 

 

Same here, thought this would be rammed full of posts today.

 

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I thought he was just trying to wind him up. I think he specifically says something like ‘didn’t you ever wonder if...’ which to me implies that he’s just trying to break him to get the information out of him. But for all we know, with access to what’s left of Tyrell he may be speaking the truth.

 

Just another excellent example of what I think is one of the films massive strengths the more I’ve thought about it all day instead of doing any work: that there is just so much in it that can be interpreted in whatever personal way you see fit. The more I think about what I saw last night the more impressed I am.

 

[DjSatansfur3h]

6 hours ago, 5R7 said:

was anyone else a little let down by

 

 

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the lack of THAT umbrella! i mean its a staple, people sell "blade runner umbrella" , i know its a tiny inconsequential thing, but it really bugged me lol

 

 

They're are plenty of the umbrella in one of the pan shots of the streets.

[charley farley]

I think the various performances do deserve a mention. Considering a fair number of the supporting cast had a pretty small amount of screen time I thought they were all excellent.

 

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Jared Leto gets a lot of shit on here but I thought he was really good. I’ve only ever seen him in Fight Club so may not have the prejudice of someone who’s seen Suicide Squad.

 

The pink haired replicant, Edward James Olmos, Princess Buttercup, Sapper, Joi, Luv, the dude who worked on the front desk at Wallace’s, the guy who identified where the wooden horse came from, I thought they were all really good. They gave so much life and personality to some very small parts. I thought the cast outside of the big billed names was exemplary.

 

[Steve McQueef]

8 hours ago, Captain LeChuck said:

I'm gonna have to see this again, aren't I? Hmm....

Classic LeChuck.

[Tofu]

Pffff....

 

Peugot and Atari are still in the future, thats hard to cop.

[5R7]

@DjSatansfur3h really? i only saw regular, i was even looking for em lol

[Tofu]

Its not perfect, but Masterpiece is not a crazy word to use. I loved this. Best looking/most ambitious sci-fi film I've seen for a long time.

[JohnC]

42 minutes ago, Tofu said:

Pffff....

 

 

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Peugot and Atari are still in the future, thats hard to cop.

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Well, so are Pan-Am. So it's ignoring real-world stuff like that and continuing the original Blade Runner world.

 

[Tofu]

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Well, so are Pan-Am. So it's ignoring real-world stuff like that and continuing the original Blade Runner world.

 

 

I was being cheeky.

[Tofu]

Oh yeah someone fell asleep half way  in the film, it was noticeable because he was snoring so loud that a staff member had  to wake him up.

[Jimmyzilla]

41 minutes ago, Tofu said:

Oh yeah someone fell asleep half way  in the film, it was noticeable because he was snoring so loud that a staff member had  to wake him up.

Haha someone was snoring through my showing yesterday too!

 

I enjoyed this but didn't think it was as good as the original.

 

There's just something I can't put my finger on that it was missing...

[Zero9X]

Watched this yesterday. Loved it, completely enthralled beginning to end.

 

 

Deckard seeing a Rachel copy, anyone know how they did that. It was uncanny.

[MrPogo]

19 hours ago, Tofu said:

Pffff....

 

 

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Peugot and Atari are still in the future, thats hard to cop.

 

 

I like how we discovered it was a French car seconds after the electrics got fucked

[MrPogo]

21 hours ago, Captain LeChuck said:

 

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Luv. The game leads you to believe it's K, then when it's proven to be a girl, Luv is a very convincing alternative, even bearing a resemblance to Rachel. It's the one thing I was pleased with at the end, that the film ultimately managed to surprise me. And that ending at least did make sense. 

 

 

 

I thought they were simply telling you who the daughter was by doing that flashback to the 'saying "that was definitely someone's real memory" as she cried' scene, and was annoyed they decided to do an explicit reveal rather than leaving the audience to work it out. Interesting to see not everyone read that the same way!

[Paulando]

Just saw this at the IMAX Printworks. Please experience it on a proper IMAX screen, however far you need to travel, because it was an absolute joy.

 

I loved it. The film just pulls you into its world with the stunning visuals and sound, and it’s filled with ideas like the very best of sci-fi.

 

The pacing is perfect. It builds slowly and surely, and it never drags. I did wonder where it was it was all heading, but once the final act starts you know you’re in good hands, and the ending justifies everything that came before it. It goes against almost everything that you’d expect from a big Hollywood blockbuster these days, which is so refreshing.

 

One gripe: I thought it explained what was going on a little too much, and one character in particular contributed to that:

 

Joi. I would have preferred it more like ‘Drive’, with less talking and more emotion. I wasn’t really interested in her plot strand and didn’t feel anything when she was killed. I also didn’t care much for his boss, and don’t think the film would lose anything by cutting a few of her scenes.

 

I’m not a huge fan of the original film, but this will definitely help me see that in a different light.

[Sabreman]

55 minutes ago, Zero9X said:

Watched this yesterday. Loved it, completely enthralled beginning to end.

 

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Deckard seeing a Rachel copy, anyone know how they did that. It was uncanny.

 

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Rogue One Tarkin-style CG creation laid over a stand-in actress. It's the only part of the film I didn't like, and feared it was coming once that silhouette appeared. Uncanny is the word 

 

[Mars]

Utterly fantastic, beautiful and troubling. I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since seeing it yesterday.

[Mr Cochese]

12 hours ago, Jimmyzilla said:

Haha someone was snoring through my showing yesterday too!

 

I enjoyed this but didn't think it was as good as the original.

 

There's just something I can't put my finger on that it was missing...

Strong characters, I reckon. No-one as memorable as Roy.

[Shoes]

Kermode loved it:

 

 

I wasn't as bowled over as many were, as I was with Arrival, but Mark brings up the slow, measured editing which was tremendously refreshing in a AAA Hollywood blockbuster. It felt like a proper, adult, sci-fi - it has to be the best blockbuster I've seen for decades. I'm not surprised people fell asleep - it felt worlds apart from most big budget movies.

 

Definitely going to see it again.

[Shoes]

On 05/10/2017 at 21:56, Captain LeChuck said:

one scene that was just fucking stupid.

 

Did you ever tell us which scene?

[Delargey]

13 hours ago, Jimmyzilla said:

Haha someone was snoring through my showing yesterday too!

 

I enjoyed this but didn't think it was as good as the original.

 

There's just something I can't put my finger on that it was missing...

 

My friend kept falling asleep and snoring - I had to poke him awake several times.

 

I enjoyed but don't think it needed such a long run time.

[monkeydog]

I've never been back and rewatched Blade Runner since the directors cut came out.  I remember it as visually stunning, with interesting themes and really unengaging characters (apart from Roy). 

 

It was an odd experience though watching the new one over 20 year later.  I don't know whether Villeneuve is better at invoking more empathy for characters than Scott, or whether it's to do with me changing over the last couple of decades.

 

The new film's great and I am half tempted to revisit the first.