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Winter Olympics 2014

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Figured I'd set up a thread as the on in Off Topic is about the politics of the thing and there is more to it than skiiing and snowboarding.

BBC has six live streams up today. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-olympics/2014

Womens ice hockey highlights earlier - USA beat Finland 3-1. Some lovely skills from both sides, though the US will be hard to beat. Canada vs Switzerland starts at 12.55pm.

Also the biathlon, luge and figure skating at 2.25pm.

Slopestyle looked fun this morning, but it is coloured by me wanting to punch most of the competitors stupid faces in. Can't wait for the Snowboard Cross though. That is great fun.

Finally - great moments in Winter Olympics history. Recreated in Lego. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/winter-olympics/26090575

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Watch the snowboarding this morning, thought the judges were a bit harsh in some of the marking. Too many 80s that should have been 90s

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Yeah, the judging was all over the place in the Slopestyle. Thought it was great entertainment, though. The Snowcross is a week on Monday, can't wait!

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Just sat and enjoyed the 5000m speed skating. Looks slow and languid, then you realise they are averaging 30mph.

When's the curling on? It's all about the curling.

Monday.

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Thanks, Plissken, was hoping someone started a thread here.

Was just watching the figure skating. The Russian and Canadian pair were miles ahead of the other and thrilled about it, then that American couple came on, blew everyone away and adjusted their sleeves like it was business as usual. I preferred the Canadians with their jazz club routine.

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Slopestyle was spectacular. Commentary was a fucking disgrace.

This times a million. It was nice to see the British girl win a medal, having gone first and then waiting and hoping she could stay in the top three.

The commentary was probably the worst I have ever experienced watching any sport ever.

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The commentary was pretty cringing, expect it from the snowboard girl but the other dudes should be able to hold it together better.

I thought that the girls commentary during the run was good though... the guys are a bit guilty of just shouting "WHOOOO" at a big move without explaining what it is (which I need because it all happens too fast for my ageing eyes)

Clearly being pleased for the UK competitor is nice, but saying things like "we dominated"... erm I think the USA and Finland may have something to say about that!

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The difference between the old school BBC commentary of Davies, Coleman et al and the new breed of, well, thoughtless cheerleaders is absolutely huge.

Anyway, I could rant for a long time on what was bad about that commentary. Onto better things, and the RUS-GER womens hockey game was good entertainment. Stadium is pretty loud for the home team I imagine the atmosphere when the men play will be astonishing.

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The difference between the old school BBC commentary of Davies, Coleman et al and the new breed of, well, thoughtless cheerleaders is absolutely huge.

Anyway, I could rant for a long time on what was bad about that commentary. Onto better things, and the RUS-GER womens hockey game was good entertainment. Stadium is pretty loud for the home team I imagine the atmosphere when the men play will be astonishing.

The commentary for the Ice Hockey is awful too, just comes across as condescending most of the time.

Not sure who I want to win the men's hockey, it is one from Sweden or Russia though, due to the players involved. Just really don't want it to be Canada.

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Snowstyle commentary was a bit cringing. I think it needs to strike a balance between knowledge, description and enthusiasm - and it veered way too far into enthusiasm at the expense of the other factors. You see it with a lot of commentary for 'minor' sports on the BBC - but the guys who do the BBC swimming coverage always seem to get it bang on.

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The commentary was pretty cringing, expect it from the snowboard girl but the other dudes should be able to hold it together better.

I thought that the girls commentary during the run was good though... the guys are a bit guilty of just shouting "WHOOOO" at a big move without explaining what it is (which I need because it all happens too fast for my ageing eyes)

Clearly being pleased for the UK competitor is nice, but saying things like "we dominated"... erm I think the USA and Finland may have something to say about that!

A lot of it comes from the freestyle culture. The competitors barely treat it as a serious sport (obviously they put a lot of energy into it but you'll rarely find someone like Shaun White in snowboarding, who is simply out to win at all costs), let alone the journalists AND it is a relatively small sport in terms of the competitors you see week in week out at this level - everyone knows everyone. Ed's probably the most knowledgable snowboarding broadcaster in the UK - which means, as was mentioned on TV and is completely true, he's seen Jenny come up through the past 10 years up close and personal. Someone mentioned they expected it from Aimee when she hit the commentary booth because she's Jenny's teammate. Entirely true, but then Ed would be a good friend with every Team GB boarder (and indeed freestyle skiier).

I do think they were equally impressed with certain other runs and reflected in their praise, but passion just takes over sometimes, for sport and country. I think even Barry Davies would have a lot of trouble holding himself if England had won the world cup under his watch.

Sometimes passion is mistaken for a lot of things.

As far as the play-by-play, it's tough for any minority sport, especially for one this quick, I think - explaining what a "cab 540 underflip" is everytime someone does one is going to put you on the edge of the next jump without being able to comment on how clean it was, or how solid the landing was, or what kicker she's aiming for next.

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God, you guys moaning about the slope style commentary are dull! :P

Admittedly the female in the commentary box this morning was a little embarrassing (she is a rider though, not a commentator) but I thought Ed Leigh and Tim Warwood were great - massively enthusiastic throughout and some cracking one-liners. It was all done in good spirits, a feature of the slope style itself (and the people taking part - most of them are good friends outside of these events, as witnessed in the mutual appreciation on the podiums etc). Even Aimee Fuller (the aforementioned girl in the commentary box for the final), while obviously keen for Jenny Jones to do well, showed her support and respect for the other competitors before each of their runs.

I think the whole thing reflected the nature of slope style snowboarding as a sport making its debut in the Olympics. It's new and a fresh approach to go with it was welcome. Our first medal on snow as well. Incredible considering most of our riders learn on dry slopes :hat:

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I agree that the commentators were knowledgeable and passionate about the sport. I wouldn't agree that 'whooping and a hollering' is somehow a new 'fresh' or 'cool' element to sporting commentary. Surely the purpose of the commentator is to enhance the visual with choice words or even aptly timed silence as the truly greats can do. Not just to start screaming his/her head off when something interesting happens.

There is no doubt that the snowboarding community is a relatively small and close knit group, especially the British scene as GB isn't a winter sports country per se. I still think when you are broadcasting you need to reign in the bias just a tad.

Maybe I'm wrong though, I might just be a total square man :blah:

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