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We just saw Hamilton take the championship. He's broken Rosberg completely.

And if Rosberg doesn't really get his act together over the winter, he's now essentially a Barrichello or a Pedrosa.

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A "Manor Grand Prix Limited", which to you and me means Marussia has lodged an entry but Caterham has not for 2015. The suspicious among you might think 2 things.

- That's 20 cars, no 3rd cars then.

- The cost of running "Manor" for a year is $120m. It would cost the leading teams more than that to run 3rd cars. Maybe via Bernie but I wonder if there's been some horse trading.

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revised scores :)

http://www.deltoid.co.uk/f1/results.pdf

Gay4LewisF1,22
Charles,20
MrPogo,20
TarquinTheHappyMouse,19
Sidewaysbob,18
mexos,18
Chris Burns,18
Kiroquai,18
Dean Roskell,17
Baring,17
Tokyo Bogue,17
Simbo,17
SMD,17
Bushtopher,16
Velse,16
Wev,16
gospvg,16
Valver,15
nuskool,15
keineboom,15
Mortis,15
JPR,14
Davius,13
PK2014,13
Alistair Stoddart,13
PK2104,13
buzbybill,13
arokib666,11
makkuwata,10
Geo,10
mlewis,6

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7 place grid penalty for Perez in Brazil.

Now, to me it was a much better race without the Marussias and Caterhams trailing around 5 seconds a lap slower than everyone.

The majority of the race everyone was on the same lap, and there was some very good wheel-to-wheel racing.

Ricciardo showed his skill again with some very good moves in turn 1. Hamilton got his tactics spot on and deserved the win.

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It wouldn't of course, lapping a total of maybe 6 cars over 60 laps wouldn't have had a material affect on the race.

Of course they did lap the remaining Sauber, so let's chuck Sauber out of the championship too.

Personally I felt the field looked horribly empty. 18 is not enough, especially when Perez decides to reduce that by a further 2 on lap 1.

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What was this about? I don't watch BBC.. you got a link to what was said? Thanks.

Coulthard, Eddie & Suzie were interviewing Rosberg, Eddie asks Rosberg if it's vital for him to win this race for his championship hopes. Rosberg replies something along the lines of 'What do you think Eddie, if you were going to err either way it would probably be towards vital yeah?' To which Eddie just gives him an awkward silence followed by 'I'm not sure how to answer that' in a shitty tone. Rosberg was a bit of a wet blanket though and tried to back pedal saying 'Well, I only say that as you're my favourite host'

It's a shame, Eddie talks about the rough and ready ole days of F1 when drivers were personalities and anything could happen, but now he's part of the problem, caught up in the media world and plays to the lowest common denominator audience.

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It sounds increasingly like Bernie is done. I can't ever recall Donald McKenzie being actively involved with the running of the business before.

First time I've ever even heard someone from CVC named. Obviously I'd never bothered looking into it at all, but was under the impression they were a group of anonymous individuals no one knew the identity of.

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Why would the absence Marrussia and Caterham have affected the wheel to wheel racing, or am I misreading what you mean?

The remaining teams (with the exception of Mercdedes) were much closer in terms of pace, meaning more racing for positions.

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I get what he means, but probably still won't explain it well; it felt more like everyone out there was racing with every position really counting and every single driver had the genuine potential to get in the points. They were all racing hard for a real goal, even if just to avoid the humiliation of last place. When the usual suspects are trailing round at the back it majorly dilutes that excitement and it doesn't feel like anything outside the top then counts for anything. When the field is "frontrunners, midfield, backmarkers" only the achievement of the frontrunners is of interest, when the backmarkers are out of the picture and it's just "frontrunners and midfielders" the racing amongst the midfielders seems a lot more relevant. The whole field is now important. When there are really shit cars out there it doesn't seem to matter where you are between 11th to 18th , but without them each of places somehow counts a lot more.

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It sounds increasingly like Bernie is done. I can't ever recall Donald McKenzie being actively involved with the running of the business before.

I had no idea who he was. And I would consider myself a reasonably well informed F1 fan. I'm generally a fan of Bernie, I think he's achieved a lot, but it's time the sport moved on (for a start the guy could drop at any time, he's in his 80s).

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I had no idea who he was. And I would consider myself a reasonably well informed F1 fan. I'm generally a fan of Bernie, I think he's achieved a lot, but it's time the sport moved on (for a start the guy could drop at any time, he's in his 80s).

He owns CVC, you occasionally see him passed by on the grid walk. I think Brundle or Jordan have spoken to him once. He was the guy that threatened Ecclestone would be out of the sport if he was convicted in Germany, even without a custodial sentence.

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I get what he means, but probably still won't explain it well; it felt more like everyone out there was racing with every position really counting and every single driver had the genuine potential to get in the points. They were all racing hard for a real goal, even if just to avoid the humiliation of last place. When the usual suspects are trailing round at the back it majorly dilutes that excitement and it doesn't feel like anything outside the top then counts for anything. When the field is "frontrunners, midfield, backmarkers" only the achievement of the frontrunners is of interest, when the backmarkers are out of the picture and it's just "frontrunners and midfielders" the racing amongst the midfielders seems a lot more relevant. The whole field is now important. When there are really shit cars out there it doesn't seem to matter where you are between 11th to 18th , but without them each of places somehow counts a lot more.

Except there still was, the absence of the others left the remaining Sauber well off the pace.

And the US GP is an aberation, at every other GP this year if you took those 2 out Sauber and Lotus would have looked exactly like Marussia and Caterham.

Hell, if you had Mercedes and Red Bull, Red Bull would look like "really shit cars".

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When the samba stops, who will be sitting pretty ?

Brazil is about one thing and one thing only.
No, not how did the national team implode so spectacularly !!!.
No the one big question will be; Can Rosberg stop Hamilton and give himself a chance to pinch the title at the double points final ?
Nico is only 24 points behind Lewis, so Nico basically needs to win and have Lewis finish outside the points in Brazil, that would put him ahead by one point and then it’s just who finishes ahead of the other, first to tenth in Abu Dhabi.
If Lewis finishes second to Nico or wins, then all that’s left for Nico is a win in Abu Dhabi and have Lewis finish outside the points. It sounds complicated, but it’s not. I think we can assume now that the Mercs will be out the front fighting for the win. Danny or Massa might try to spoil the party, but it’s unlikely. Unless it rains than it’s a lottery at this place.
There are permutations for where Nico must finishes if Lewis finishes 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc. But it all comes back to Lewis not finishing either race for Nico to take the title. And given the Mercedes has had an ongoing issue with brakes and its energy harvesting system this year, that’s not beyond doubt. Lewis suffered from a brake temperature issue in America that cost him the pole. Canada saw both cars suffer from brake issues and Germany say Lewis crash hard when he’s front brakes failed. So I don’t think either driver is counting the chickens just yet.
So the next question is: Who is the strongest driver mentally?
For years now, I’ve always complained that Nico just sort of goes to sleep for the odd race, you only knew he was there because he turned up on the result sheet. You never saw him, he didn’t feature in the story of the weekend. It’s something that Williams complained about when they sold him to Mercedes. But then at Mercedes he started to get his act together, beat Schumacher more often than not, but there were still weekends when he was just anonymous.
This year he’s won races, but generally when Lewis has had a problem and not been there to challenge him. In a straight fight, I don’t think Nico has that “next level” to up his game. Lewis is clinical, sees the chance and takes it. In America he hunted Nico down and took the lead from him. In Spa Nico fumbled the move on Lewis and almost took them both out. Lewis is feeding off the crowd, the media bubble and the team are helping him do it. Nico meanwhile has faded more and more into the background, shunning the lime light and making mistake on the track. The two mistakes in Monza was entirely his fault. Maybe it’ll works for him, stepping back and concentrating on the driving rather than Hamilton’s swagger.
But the most telling thing for me is his reaction to the booing at Monza, since then he’s not looked quite so chipper. The smile looks a bit forced and the aggression hasn’t been there. I think he’s one of those drivers that really needs to feel the love. Lewis has the vast majority of the crowd in his hand and he’s feeding off that love. Whilst Nico is playing the Panto villain and doesn’t appear to be enjoying the role cast for him. The reaction from the team – Lauda constantly telling the media world what a great driver Lewis is and Toto breaking out that big grin of his whenever Lewis glides past Nico - can’t be helping either.

In America, Nico blamed his second place on the fact he couldn’t find the rhythm of the circuit, whilst Lewis was into his groove from the moment the car fired up on Friday.
I don't think Nico has given up or Lewis has ground him down. I just think Nico doesn't have another mental gear to shift his performance up. He's a nice guy, but he's switched off after the fumbled move in Spa and not got over that.
So then. this weekend ... Do you think Lewis will make it six in a row ? My heart says "easily", my head says "he doesn't normally go well here". the last time he had a pressure race in Brazil he needed Toyota to save the day. He's older and wiser this time, but , well ... you just never know. I think he'll be ahead of Rosberg though. Lewis works best when he goes out to win the race, sitting back and "just doing enough" isn't in his dictionary, he's all about the glory. Nico meanwhile can't afford to sit back now, he has to beat Lewis.
Williams or Redbull could spoil the party, Danny especially. If the Merc boys get tangled up, the Redbull will be right there. And so too will the Williams boys. Bottas and Massa should be pretty handy round here, if they can hang onto their tyres then they stand an outside chance.
There are still no Caterhams or Marrussias to come last, so some of you still need to adjust your predictions!
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