Shenmue III - PS4/PC | Out Now!

[RubberJohnny]

 

LOL the whole thing is pointless

[Rain Birds]

While I think PC backers should, if possible, have the option of getting a Steam code at launch, the reaction to this on Resetera is something else. I wonder how many of the people who are now baying for the game's failure boycotted Shenmue II on principle upon its original official release in the US? After all, SEGA signed a distribution deal that required the purchase of an entirely new console in order to play the game, which seems more of an inconvenience and middle finger to existing fans than the installation of an inferior launcher.

[Popo]

If this thread was a man dressed as the Krustyburglar and people arguing about Shenmue 3 being released on Epic or on Steam was Homer dressed as Krusty the clown, I would definitely tell those people, through tears, to stop, because the thread was already dead. 

[Uzi]

I backed a PC and PS4 physical version and the change doesn't bother me but I can see why people are annoyed. In 2015 you only expectation of a game on PC would have been on Steam. People backed knowing it was their preference and what would reasonably be delivered so it is a bit of a bait and switch for the people who helped fun the game when it practically didn't exist.  Oculus rewarded its kickstarter backers with a free headset worth £600 - Deep Silver piss them off rather unnecessarily. When steam games launched on the oculus store, the devs were given remit to give people codes to duplicate their games across the stores for ease of use and preference because a publisher can give our keys like candy if they want to. It's plain bad customer service. Gerbik gave a way to solve it that would be insanely easy so its just a dumb fuck publisher being a dumb fuck and taking on poor PR for no reason.

 

To be honest, between Steam, GOG, Origin, Uplay, Twitch (free prime games), Battle.net and now the Epic store I genuinely forget sometimes which launcher I have which game on. Roll on Galaxy 2.0 - the one launcher to unite them all. 

 

That and Epic still haven't managed to get an approved refund from April of £23 is pretty annoying despite recently being told again they had sent payment through. I know you pay developers more but that doesn't mean you fleece me for 100%! *carlton dance*

[alex3d]

7 hours ago, RubberJohnny said:

 

LOL the whole thing is pointless

 

Oh God, no  He has to bring it to an end.

[Mars]

Guys, I just looked up what ‘Shenmue’ actually means... NEVER FUCKING FINISHED.

[pastry]

 

are you going to post that every half an hour until Shenmue IS finished?

[Mr. Gerbik]

I actually speak Japanese like an expert (an expert) and can confirm that 'Shen' means 'ending' and 'Mue' is an ancient Japanese expression dating back to the poetry of the classical Heian court which literally translates as 'LOL, no'

 

[RubberJohnny]

E3 impressions

 

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It only took us a few seconds to understand the magnitude of the disaster. After a quick oral presentation to present the three objectives of this demo (the exploration of a small Chinese village, the discovery of several mini-games and the combat system), we were able to seize the controller and press Start . "And that's when the tragedy starts " as one would say: the demo begins with a short conversation between Ryo and Shenhua, which sets the scene. Extremely badly dubbed (in English ...), Ryo and Shenhua seem both to lack emotion, in their voices as well as in their animations. Ryo, stiff as a picket, painfully looks around him and the only thing that seems to move on his face are his eyes. Shenhua is doing better but she leaves us quickly: the two friends must find "the man with the scar". The camera moves behind Ryo and the player finally takes control, to discover a setpiece that is quite successful on the artistic level, but completely out of time technically. The whole thing is blurry and flickering; in many ways, the recent remasters of Shenmue I and II are more impressive. This is due to the ridiculous display distance and the resolution of the game, which seems to struggle to reach the bar of 720p. Which raises an eyebrow or two since the last trailers, or even the one posted online for E3, let us hope for something better.

 

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As it stands, Shenmue III is more like a student project put together with Unreal Engine 4 than a real video game expected to be release at this end of the year. There's still so much to do technically that we doubt Shenmue III can save the day by the time it gets released in November 2019. And we're necessarily very worried for the game: at this stage of the development, we didn't expect Shenmue III to still look like a prototype.

 

People paid £300 for this.

[alex3d]

Oh god. I hope this isn't turning into a huge catastrophe for all parties involved (Yu, fans). News certainly aren't good at the moment (first Epic and now this)

According to the resetera thread GiantBomb also don't like it. Others (IGN...) don't seem to be as negative about it though.

[deKay]

Well actually I paid £270.

 

EDIT: don't you empathy me. I have no regrets.

[Rain Birds]

That article also goes on to describe Ryo like this -

 

”He who was once so elegant, so charismatic, is only a shadow of himself. Postmortem rigidity, empty and inexpressive gaze, the hero of a whole generation is hard to see. He's not just inexpressive: he's just not alive.”

 

Those impressions are clearly coming from someone who might have read an article about it, but has never played or really looked at Shenmue in any great detail, because “so elegant, so charismatic...hero of a whole generation” sure as shit isn’t a perception of Ryo it’s possible to come away with if you've actually seen the originals in action.

 

[moosegrinder]

Yeah, hero of a generation is stretching it to breaking point.

 

Also when it came out on the Dreamcast they had stupid designs on making it a 16 chapter/game series or some shit.

[RubberJohnny]

Why are backers so invested in his story when they're openly dismissive of the character then?

[Harsin]

It’s from an article that's been run through Google translate. So please keep that in mind anyone who intends on doing the usual thing, when a hyped game gets a less than glowing preview, of latching onto a single sentence/word to dismiss all impressions as not valid.

[Purin]

34 minutes ago, alex3d said:

Oh god. I hope this isn't turning into a huge catastrophe for all parties involved (Yu, fans). News certainly aren't good at the moment (first Epic and now this)

According to the resetera thread GiantBomb also don't like it. Others (IGN...) don't seem to be as negative about it though.

 

GiantBomb don't like the originals, so I doubt they will be swayed.

 

Looks absolutely great to me, I can't wait to play it.

[Dudley]

10 hours ago, Rain Birds said:

While I think PC backers should, if possible, have the option of getting a Steam code at launch, the reaction to this on Resetera is something else. I wonder how many of the people who are now baying for the game's failure boycotted Shenmue II on principle upon its original official release in the US? After all, SEGA signed a distribution deal that required the purchase of an entirely new console in order to play the game, which seems more of an inconvenience and middle finger to existing fans than the installation of an inferior launcher.

 

I think the difference is when people paid.

 

If they'd done pre-orders for a Dreamcast version then sent the backers Xbox discs people would have been annoyed.

[Calashnikov]

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so elegant, so charismatic

 

[Quest]

Ryo is a gormless fish out of water, which is particularly weird in the first game when he's in his own hometown but whatever. It works somehow.

 

RubberJohnny isn't going to stop until he's convinced everyone they didn't actually like Shenmue.

 

 

[RubberJohnny]

It was a genuine question, but OK.

[Down by Law]

That french article moans on and on about technical problems (not seen in any released footage) and nothing of the way the game plays. There's no way that B-roll footage from E3 was 720p either.

 

Also 'student project' is a bit of an odd slur to make.

 

1 hour ago, RubberJohnny said:

 

People paid £300 for this.

 

I paid $29, or as the exchange rate at the time, about £24. This reads like a resetera outrage post

[JohnC]

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A message from Ys Net, Epic Games and Deep Silver

Posted by Ys Net (Creator)

 

 

Hello Everyone,

 

We want to make sure that the Backers are aware that we are listening to their concerns. We kindly ask all our fans to have some patience, we are currently at E3 demoing the game and need to get back to our respective offices to assess the situation and together find a way forward to justify the trust you placed in us.

 

Thank you for your patience and support.

 

 

[Rain Birds]

1 hour ago, Dudley said:

 

I think the difference is when people paid.

 

If they'd done pre-orders for a Dreamcast version then sent the backers Xbox discs people would have been annoyed.

 

I agree there should be something worked out to offer early Steam keys to backers, but that comparison doesn’t quite work, because in reality they still have the means to play the game with minimal effort on the day of release, whereas if SEGA had sent Xbox discs they’d also had to have provided Xbox consoles to make it equivalent, albeit with the additional kick in the balls of both arriving almost a year after the Dreamcast version released in Europe.

[Broker]

I think it’s pretty clear that us console peasants have become completely numb to being kicked around by corporations and forced to buy entire pieces of hardware just to keep playing a series of games. The PC Gamers, up in their towers, ignored our screams of unfair competition for too long, and now the unfair competition has come for them, and even though it’s an incredibly minor inconvenience rather than a huge financial burden obviously it’s much worse and should be taken more seriously, because spoilt rich people. 

[RubberJohnny]

You need a comparison to something that has an over-the-top backlash element on consoles hat maybe isn't warranted but is merely a stand-in for more deep-seated anxieties - so streaming?

 

It's like your physical version got replaced with a streamed PSNow or Stadia version, and then they said it'll come on physical after a year, and you say "OK, I'll wait for that", and they say "haha, you'll need to rebuy it because your free version was the streamed version you don't want even though your pre-order was explicitly for a physical version".

And then all the Kickstarter exclusive stuff stopped being exclusive and is in the game for everyone, and they added DLC and a season pass with story content you don't get even if you backed at the highest level, and if you preorder you get exclusive stuff that Kickstarter backers don't, etc. And no refunds.

[Trumpets]

11 minutes ago, Broker said:

I think it’s pretty clear that us console peasants have become completely numb to being kicked around by corporations and forced to buy entire pieces of hardware just to keep playing a series of games. The PC Gamers, up in their towers, ignored our screams of unfair competition for too long, and now the unfair competition has come for them, and even though it’s an incredibly minor inconvenience rather than a huge financial burden obviously it’s much worse and should be taken more seriously, because spoilt rich people. 

 

They should cancel the PC version out of spite and really give them something to moan about.

[Down by Law]

They should refund all the PC backers $29 so they can buy it for $60 on Steam in a years time, or $60 on the Epic store right now.

 

Talk about sticking it to the man

 

or cutting off you nose to spite your face

[Mallet]

It's very easy to see how gamers have ended up in the situation we are in. Broken game releases, getting kids hooked on gambling, having to pay £100 plus to get the complete game when you add up all the DLC and other things that are a detriment to the consumer.

 

For the majority of customers the Epic store is an inferior experience in just about every aspect compared to Steam, the publishers are knowingly giving their customers a poorer experience to make more money for themselves. In just about every other industry I can think off people would be united in saying fuck no, why should I suffer an inferior service so you can make more money?

 

That is the bottom line here, the consumer is expected to put up with an inferior service and features so the publisher can make more profit.

 

You can phrase it anyway you want but that is the bottom line. Instead of being united we have people saying shut the fuck up and stop complaining and because you are complaining you shouldn't be able to play it all. I mean seriously WTF!

 

Yes PC gamers, shut the fuck up and eat your shit sandwich so a multi national corporation can have bigger profits, don't complain just accept that a shit service is the new norm. Steam customers are cutting their nose off to spite their faces? Hell no, it is the people saying you should lower your expectations on what the service and features will be so corporations can make more money at your expense who are cutting off their nose to spite their face in the long run. They are telling corporations they can screw you over any way they want and they just wont accept it they will actually argue in favour of you fucking them over.

 

I repeat the only reason corporations are going to Epic is so they make more more money, there is no win in this for the consumer beyond some vague mumbled 'with the extra money we can make better games' bullshit. Talk about drinking the Kool-aid, it isn't Steam customers who are being fan boys here.  

[Mr. Gerbik]

If this were a situation where the developer and publisher had no choice in the matter, like Steam went bankrupt or something, fair enough. But again, there is absolutely nothing stopping Deep Silver and the Shensy 3 dev team from honouring their promise to their fans who backed the project in the first place. It's just the decent thing to do. And it's no trouble whatsoever for Deep Silver. Just give everyone who chose a Steam key, a steam key and sell the game exclusively on Epic.

 

And yet people like :scrolls up: @Broker, @Down by LawLaw,and @Trumpets are against doing the decent thing, because fuck all PC gamers, and long live big corporations. I don't know, I get that the internet is filled with hyperbolic complaints from assholes, but arguing against doing the decent thing and being friendly towards your fans and paying customers is just weird. And makes you arguably no better than all the Steam loyalist assholes you're complaining about, do you even realize that? 

[Trumpets]

14 minutes ago, Mallet said:

I repeat the only reason corporations are going to Epic is so they make more more money, there is no win in this for the consumer beyond some vague mumbled 'with the extra money we can make better games' bullshit. Talk about drinking the Kool-aid, it isn't Steam customers who are being fan boys here.  

 

A viable competitor to Steam is a big win for the consumer. I'll agree the way Epic are going about it is perhaps overly aggressive, but if that's what it takes to destroy the monopoly Valve have had on the PC for a decade plus then so be it.