Ultimate Team

[Pants McSkill]

5 minutes ago, Ballzzie said:

Bloody hell put down the pitch forks guys, jeez.

 

Who cares what he does, or what anyone does.

 

Why do people on this forum think our personal business is theirs to dissect and/or interrogate about?

 

Whenever the subject of Fifa Points rears its head people on here go batshit.

 

Its like hanging around with Ethical Vegans whilst wearing a wooly jumper.

 

 

 

It's mainly because he's given you shit for buying packs in the past. 

You'll notice me and Timmo never, never criticise anyone for it, cos like you said, it's none of our business.

 

I just don't get why he'd lie about it, or fake brag about packing an icon off of one solitary SBC.

Like, I'm well chuffed for him he packed Crespo! That's fucking awesome! Especially if it came from a bought pack as it means his money wasn't wasted!

 

 

Look at it this way. It becomes one of two scenarios.

1. Gooner caved into the Fifa addiction and bought some packs. We're all addicted to Fifa. And because he felt bad about it, fudged the truth in here. Big deal, who cares.

2. Gooner is a master trader, better than all the youtubers I follow. He can make 2m coins profit in in 5 days in the worst market since the game's launch. But despite that, he hasn't once shared a single tip with us, his community. Not once has he thought to let any of us in on any of his trading secrets so that we may share in a tiny fraction of his wealth.

 

Now which of the two would you prefer it to be? Because if it's scenario 2, he's a fucking cunt.

[Pants McSkill]

2 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

 

And I’m not missing anything, I told you I sold off all my 87/86/85/84’s as well. 

 

 

So, I just want to be clear here. You had maybe 400-500 high rateds sat in your club for maybe 4 weeks, that you picked up before Messi dropped.

[gooner4life]

12 minutes ago, Pants McSkill said:

 

 

So, I just want to be clear here. You had maybe 400-500 high rateds sat in your club for maybe 4 weeks, that you picked up before Messi dropped.

on your first post, I guess I’m a massive cunt then, because you all know how to trade, you’re sat on 5mil transfer profit all time, I’m only at 800k more.

 

I’m doing bigger risk trades because I packed Messi and Vieri early on and held Messi until his price rocketed and had lots of coins to start with.

 

I’ve also lost a lot of coins on players like Tammy Abraham who I heavily invested in.

 

On the second post, yeah I had a shit load of high rated players, players like Ibrahimovic and Fernandinho who I pack pretty much every Thursday, and I also had other Toty nominees like Dybala, fabinho, ter stegen, tadic, bonucci, who I made a good few k profit per card.

[Jerec]

Thing is, I can believe he would get that luck.

 

As he says, its bait to get him buying points. He's on a list on an EA database that holds a record of his past spending and the machine mind at EA will drip in these big drops to try to get him to cave in and spend. But he clearly has a will of steel to not do this.

 

I packed Dalglish in a Rare Mega Pack. That then plants a seed in my head that Rare Mega Packs are where the good drops come from, so when I see them in the shop next time around, I have to get them. But of course, all I get are standard 82's and maybe the odd 86, but nothing like an Icon. and thats Mission Accomplished for EA bot, I caved in, spend £65 on 12,000 points and opened all 10 Rare Mega Packs and got fuck all, but thats ok, because next time, I'll deffo get something, because they are the Packs that obviously give the good drops. Right?

[Pants McSkill]

Let me just packpeddle a second here, of course Gooner's not a cunt. I'm distracted at work and the phrasing I should have used is 'poor form'. So sorry if you took it to heart.

 

[Pants McSkill]

The thing that doesn't follow is if you're holding that many high rateds, how did you open packs? 

You have to go 'unassigned', and once you do, the game won't let you open any.

 

You're saying you've held them all since the Messi SBC dropped and haven't traded since. But you've opened WL rewards since then. You complained about them a couple of weeks ago.

[Baring]

4 minutes ago, Pants McSkill said:

Let me just packpeddle a second here, of course Gooner's not a cunt. I'm distracted at work and the phrasing I should have used is 'poor form'. So sorry if you took it to heart.

 

Packpeddle  

[Pants McSkill]

Lol. That's the best typo ever.

[Jerec]

13 minutes ago, Pants McSkill said:

Let me just packpeddle a second here, of course Gooner's not a cunt.

 

No he isn't....

 

 

 

 

 

He's worse.

 

 

 

 

 

He's a Gooner 

[gooner4life]

57 minutes ago, Pants McSkill said:

The thing that doesn't follow is if you're holding that many high rateds, how did you open packs? 

You have to go 'unassigned', and once you do, the game won't let you open any.

 

You're saying you've held them all since the Messi SBC dropped and haven't traded since. But you've opened WL rewards since then. You complained about them a couple of weeks ago.

I filled my tradepile with the Investments, the high rateds were sat in my club save for a few that were making up the numbers in the tradepile.

 

I’ve not taken offence at all, I didn’t sell that much stuff, I don’t know how the transfer profit is calculated but it’s not been 500 players sold, maybe 150 in the last week.

[gooner4life]

Infact @Pants McSkill it was from selling 131 players because I sold everything and refilled my transfer list back to 100 items and I’ve got 69 left on it. So I’d say the transfer profit is calculated differently to how we think, for a start I don’t have 1.9mil  more coins now than when I started selling off this week, and monthly it says I’ve made 1.2mil profit.

[Pants McSkill]

Monthly would start on Wednesday, as that was the 1st. So you'll have done 700k profit Monday/Tuesday and 1.2m since Wednesday.

 

131 players. Even going by my very, very generous numbers above, that still leaves an average of almost 6k per card you'd have needed to make on them.

When you're saying you haven't been trading, and you haven't been opening packs, I just can't see where it comes from.

 

OK, I'll show you what I mean.

You haven't gone unassigned, so you can only have a max of any two 'single' card in your club - one for your club and one for your tradepile.

If you held 87s, we need to go back to November the 19th to find a time when they were cheaper than today.

Let's give it some leeway, and say November the 16th, when the cheapest were 14.5k.

This week they were 20k. Not quite the 6k per card profit we need. 

But we need to find 65 of them to make the numbers required - 2 of every card, one for your club and one for your tradepile.

There just isn't that amount of 87s you can do this with, There's about 15-20 that behave like that.

 

So we need to look at 86s, and 85s, and 84s.

 

But the amount they rose is lower, if you club stocked them around the 16th November, you're making as little as 1k per card on some of them.

There just isn't the profit margins you're claiming there is.

 

And all this requires you to have bought 161 cards at exactly the right moment. You start moving that a few days and you're even further off.

This is kinda the crux. Because if you did buy these around November the 16th... why didn't you sell them around November 24th when 87s were at 30k? They'd doubled in price!

Or after they dipped back down, on December 22nd when they hit 30k again? Again, they'd doubled!

 

And why on earth would you sell them now? Because every trader under the sun is telling people that High rated SBCs are coming Monday... so they're all going back up next week.

It just doesn't follow that someone who hasn't bought packs, and hasn't been trading, and has had the acute insight to stock his club with so many high rated cards at their lowest point, would now just sell them all when they're low, days before the biggest event of the Fifa calendar.

 

 

 

 

[Baring]

I feel a “i was playing with manual” coming on

 

Side note: I couldn’t give a shit who buys packs. Fair play if you can afford it and it helps you enjoy the game. 

[Pants McSkill]

In other news...

 

 

 

 

[Jerec]

You think that's bad?

 

 

I was fucking robbed.

 

My De Gea never moved like this fuckers did!!

[gooner4life]

2 hours ago, Pants McSkill said:

Monthly would start on Wednesday, as that was the 1st. So you'll have done 700k profit Monday/Tuesday and 1.2m since Wednesday.

 

131 players. Even going by my very, very generous numbers above, that still leaves an average of almost 6k per card you'd have needed to make on them.

When you're saying you haven't been trading, and you haven't been opening packs, I just can't see where it comes from.

 

OK, I'll show you what I mean.

You haven't gone unassigned, so you can only have a max of any two 'single' card in your club - one for your club and one for your tradepile.

If you held 87s, we need to go back to November the 19th to find a time when they were cheaper than today.

Let's give it some leeway, and say November the 16th, when the cheapest were 14.5k.

This week they were 20k. Not quite the 6k per card profit we need. 

But we need to find 65 of them to make the numbers required - 2 of every card, one for your club and one for your tradepile.

There just isn't that amount of 87s you can do this with, There's about 15-20 that behave like that.

 

So we need to look at 86s, and 85s, and 84s.

 

But the amount they rose is lower, if you club stocked them around the 16th November, you're making as little as 1k per card on some of them.

There just isn't the profit margins you're claiming there is.

 

And all this requires you to have bought 161 cards at exactly the right moment. You start moving that a few days and you're even further off.

This is kinda the crux. Because if you did buy these around November the 16th... why didn't you sell them around November 24th when 87s were at 30k? They'd doubled in price!

Or after they dipped back down, on December 22nd when they hit 30k again? Again, they'd doubled!

 

And why on earth would you sell them now? Because every trader under the sun is telling people that High rated SBCs are coming Monday... so they're all going back up next week.

It just doesn't follow that someone who hasn't bought packs, and hasn't been trading, and has had the acute insight to stock his club with so many high rated cards at their lowest point, would now just sell them all when they're low, days before the biggest event of the Fifa calendar.

 

@Pants McSkill honestly I wish I had the sort of wealth you're assuming I have, but I'm only Fifa rich, I also couldn't give a flying fuck what anybody thinks of me as @Sladey19 can tell you, I'd happily tell you all if I was spending money on Fifa points, I'd love to spend money on Fifa points, I love opening packs.

 

Some googling tells me that Transfer Profit is not calculated how you think it is.

 

Transfer Profit

 

DEFINITION
Coin profits from purchases, sales and discards.

 

DESCRIPTION
Any purchase you make on the transfer market is deducted from your transfer profit. Any card you sell (at 100% of the sale price) is added to your transfer profit. For example, if you buy a card for 9,500 coins, and then sell it for 10,000 coins, the Transfer Profit will increase by 500, even though you have essentially made no increase/decrease to your net wealth.
It’s also important to understand what happens when you buy a pack on the store. Let’s suppose you have 10,000 of Transfer Profit. You buy a gold pack that’s worth 5,000 coins and store everything in your club. How is your TP now? 5000. And it can even go negative if you keep buying many packs. It falls by the exact value of the pack. The players’ values that came from the pack don’t matter. You can get Gullit or Neymar in a pack, it doesn’t matter, the TP will decrease by the value you paid for the pack. Only when you sell the players you got from the pack you may get it back. This way, you’ll lose 5,000 of TP by buying a 5,000 worth pack, but if you get lucky you can recover what was lost. So when you buy a pack your TP will decrease, and when you sell those cards your TP will increase.

 

HOW IT IS CALCULATED
– It doesn’t take into account the 5% tax.
– The transfer profit decreases every time you buy a pack (it will increase again if you sell the content).
– The transfer profit increases every time you redeem a coins pack.
– The transfer profit increases every time you quick sell a card with discard price higher than 0.

[Timmo]

52 minutes ago, Pants McSkill said:

In other news...

 

 

 

 

 

Hmm. Looking at your shot positions, and assuming they're uncontested, there's only two of those shots at the most that are in a position I'd expect to go in. (Unless any were one on ones and you'd ball rolled the goalkeeper or something similar, hard to tell from just that graphic, obviously)

[gooner4life]

Just now, Timmo said:

 

Hmm. Looking at your shot positions, and assuming they're uncontested, there's only two of those shots at the most that are in a position I'd expect to go in. (Unless any were one on ones and you'd ball rolled the goalkeeper or something similar, hard to tell from just that graphic, obviously)

 

You could say the same for the other guy's shots as well, but he managed to score 1, dead centre from the edge of the box? i never score from there.

[Timmo]

4 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

 

You could say the same for the other guy's shots as well, but he managed to score 1, dead centre from the edge of the box? i never score from there.

 

I wouldn't expect them to go in but that's prime finesse territory for Son/Mertens/Reus/Messi etc etc.

[Chooch]

4 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

 

You could say the same for the other guy's shots as well, but he managed to score 1, dead centre from the edge of the box? i never score from there.

Lobs over an onrushing keeper?

[gooner4life]

Very true I suppose, but I rarely use a finesse from the edge of the box, and rarely concede them due to the way I set up.

 

Likewise with the lobs I suppose, I do score a few of them, but normally from an angle.

[Pants McSkill]

28 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

 

@Pants McSkill honestly I wish I had the sort of wealth you're assuming I have, but I'm only Fifa rich, I also couldn't give a flying fuck what anybody thinks of me as @Sladey19 can tell you, I'd happily tell you all if I was spending money on Fifa points, I'd love to spend money on Fifa points, I love opening packs.

 

Some googling tells me that Transfer Profit is not calculated how you think it is.

 

Transfer Profit

 

DEFINITION
Coin profits from purchases, sales and discards.

 

DESCRIPTION
Any purchase you make on the transfer market is deducted from your transfer profit. Any card you sell (at 100% of the sale price) is added to your transfer profit. For example, if you buy a card for 9,500 coins, and then sell it for 10,000 coins, the Transfer Profit will increase by 500, even though you have essentially made no increase/decrease to your net wealth.
It’s also important to understand what happens when you buy a pack on the store. Let’s suppose you have 10,000 of Transfer Profit. You buy a gold pack that’s worth 5,000 coins and store everything in your club. How is your TP now? 5000. And it can even go negative if you keep buying many packs. It falls by the exact value of the pack. The players’ values that came from the pack don’t matter. You can get Gullit or Neymar in a pack, it doesn’t matter, the TP will decrease by the value you paid for the pack. Only when you sell the players you got from the pack you may get it back. This way, you’ll lose 5,000 of TP by buying a 5,000 worth pack, but if you get lucky you can recover what was lost. So when you buy a pack your TP will decrease, and when you sell those cards your TP will increase.

 

HOW IT IS CALCULATED
– It doesn’t take into account the 5% tax.
– The transfer profit decreases every time you buy a pack (it will increase again if you sell the content).
– The transfer profit increases every time you redeem a coins pack.
– The transfer profit increases every time you quick sell a card with discard price higher than 0.

 

So, 1.9m profit this week instead of 1.95m.

Any advance on how you managed it?

 

I'm not claiming you're wealthy in any way.

If you don't give a fuck about what anybody thinks then why do you post in here and misrepresent your actions?

The post that started this whole discussion had you stating that you hadn't done any trading this last month. But when pressed, you're now claiming to have done a shitload of trading this week.

But then again, you can't provide details. It's taken me breaking down an incredibly unlikely set of circumstances to even get close to explaining your profits, and even then I'm still short, 5% EA tax or not. And you won't answer the obvious questions like why didn't you sell these cards before when they were worth more, and why did you sell them now when they're worth not much about to rise again?

 

Honestly, none of us here could give two fucks if you're buying packs, not buying packs, trading, lucky, opening all the SBC, doing none of them... And so it's completely crystal clear, I actively want you to get incredible pack luck, like I do with everyone in here. 

 

It's just that your tales don't add up and it's baffling as to why that's even a thing.

[Pants McSkill]

43 minutes ago, Timmo said:

 

Hmm. Looking at your shot positions, and assuming they're uncontested, there's only two of those shots at the most that are in a position I'd expect to go in. (Unless any were one on ones and you'd ball rolled the goalkeeper or something similar, hard to tell from just that graphic, obviously)

 

42 minutes ago, gooner4life said:

 

You could say the same for the other guy's shots as well, but he managed to score 1, dead centre from the edge of the box? i never score from there.

 

37 minutes ago, Timmo said:

 

I wouldn't expect them to go in but that's prime finesse territory for Son/Mertens/Reus/Messi etc etc.

 

36 minutes ago, Chooch said:

Lobs over an onrushing keeper?

 

 

4 one-on-ones, two at an angle. Only, one was a ball roll, I really should add that to my game more.

Two or three were finesse shots, cos I've got Paulinho with his finesse trait. Although I don't score many so again, I should probably stop doing that.

[Pants McSkill]

 

A better distribution?

[gooner4life]

9 minutes ago, Pants McSkill said:

 

So, 1.9m profit this week instead of 1.95m.

Any advance on how you managed it?

 

I'm not claiming you're wealthy in any way.

If you don't give a fuck about what anybody thinks then why do you post in here and misrepresent your actions?

The post that started this whole discussion had you stating that you hadn't done any trading this last month. But when pressed, you're now claiming to have done a shitload of trading this week.

But then again, you can't provide details. It's taken me breaking down an incredibly unlikely set of circumstances to even get close to explaining your profits, and even then I'm still short, 5% EA tax or not. And you won't answer the obvious questions like why didn't you sell these cards before when they were worth more, and why did you sell them now when they're worth not much about to rise again?

 

Honestly, none of us here could give two fucks if you're buying packs, not buying packs, trading, lucky, opening all the SBC, doing none of them... And so it's completely crystal clear, I actively want you to get incredible pack luck, like I do with everyone in here. 

 

It's just that your tales don't add up and it's baffling as to why that's even a thing.

 

No you're still misunderstanding, it's the total value of everything I've sold or discarded this week, the only negative change to transfer profit is buying packs.

 

I've told you how that was accumulated, I didnt sell them before because I'd stopped trading (the act of buying and selling) and had just been sat on investments that were not all accumulated just in the last month.

 

Over this week my friend said 'go liquid for TOTY' so I started selling off everything of value in my club and in the same time managed to pack an Icon, Aubameyang, Son among others in Rivals and Champs rewards and the odd SBC, (2 packs for Vidal i think and 1 for the Futmas Challenge rare electrum pack).

 

Beyond that I can't tell you anything else as I didn't document it all, I'm not 1.9mil better off coin wise this week than last week, I'm not even 1.5mil better off coin wise this week, so I don't know how the transfer profit works, by my calculation I've made 1.4million odd coins this week, sorry again I can't tell you the exact figure.

 

And genuinely I couldn't give a fuck what anybody thinks, I'm not misrepresenting my actions, you are, I'm just pointing out the shifty mechanics EA use to try and entice people into buying packs.

[Pants McSkill]

Just now, gooner4life said:

 

No you're still misunderstanding, it's the total value of everything I've sold or discarded this week, the only negative change to transfer profit is buying packs.

 

 

No, it isn't. If you sell a card for less than you paid for it, then your profit goes down. And it only counts the amount of profit you've made - buy a card for 1000 coins and then sell him for 1500, your TP goes up by 500.

 

[gooner4life]

2 minutes ago, Pants McSkill said:

 

No, it isn't. If you sell a card for less than you paid for it, then your profit goes down. And it only counts the amount of profit you've made - buy a card for 1000 coins and then sell him for 1500, your TP goes up by 500.

 

Where's the rest of my coins then? I've been short changed half a mil. I'll be sure to keep a spreadsheet when we start trading again so I can give you a breakdown of the transfer profit.

[Pants McSkill]

No idea. My coin total fluctuates all over the place when I trade, hence me keeping an eye on weekly TP so I know where I should be.

[carlospie]

Rllmuk packgate scandal 2020

[Swallow]

Anybody thought about moving to untradeable team? I don't think I'll perform any worse with this team and might give me the option of selling up for one big ticket player like Neymar.

 

https://www.futbin.com//20/squad/12356964

 

Edit: Neymar is down to 530k!