Better Call Saul!

[robotattack]

33 minutes ago, Tempy said:

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The dodgy vet gave them an untraceable drug that was like a massive caffeine hit. Dilated pupils, hyperactive, sweating, all to make it look like Howard had been on the coke. They laced the photos with it which the PI gave to him.

 

 

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There were fan theories that Howard was going to die from something (like a heart attack) triggered by caffeine sensitivity because he had tea when he made a coffee for his wife. Purposeful misdirection from the writers?

 

[Danster]

And another thing...

 

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Howard fucking knew, he had them absolutely bang to rights. He sussed everything out. Poor bastard.

 

[Tempy]

2 minutes ago, robotattack said:

 

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There were fan theories that Howard was going to die from something (like a heart attack) triggered by caffeine sensitivity because he had tea when he made a coffee for his wife. Purposeful misdirection from the writers?

 

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Yeah, I thought the same. The fact that the vet made a point of mentioning that it should be fine for anyone with a tolerance to caffeine and then purposefully showing Howard taking tea. Great bit of misdirection.

 

[Jamie John]

12 minutes ago, Jamie John said:

Question:

 

What was it about 

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The cockroach that seemingly caused Lalo to have his epiphany about going to see Jimmy again? Lawyers are like cockroaches? Vermin? Hard to kill?

 

Or was the fact that it was walking along the pipe somehow significant? Jimmy is somehow Lalo's route to getting to Fring, possibly via Mike?

 

I might be overthinking it, but when every single frame in this show is constructed for a reason, you know there's something more than meets the eye with that cockroach...

 

 

Answering my own question:

 

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When Lalo is talking to Kim, before she gets him off his sentence, he refers to Jimmy as a cockroach. Nice call back!

 

[ckny]

 

Holy shit. God tier TV.

[sammy]

Absolute banger of an episode.  It’s going to be a looooong six weeks.

[Jamie John]

Ok, another question:

 

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Is it revealed how the photos showing Jimmy giving the envelope to the phony judge were swapped for the ones of him giving the frisbee to the student? Was that just sleight of hand by the phony PI?

 

[scottcr]

Holy fucking shit

[DeciderVT]

Jaw dropping, literally in my case.

 

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Poor Howard! Watching the noose tighten as their plan came together was bad enough. I kept thinking about how sad he was when his coffee was tipped into that cup.

 

Also going to miss Howard's voice. He has a lovely, precise way of speaking.

 

[Fry Crayola]

An outstanding episode. Everything in the last six episodes came together.

 

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Well, everything regarding Howard.

 

Amazing how I've gone from laughing at the switched photos making him look like such a jackass, to willing him out of the room from virtually the very frame Lalo appears blurrily in the background.

 

Roll on July whateverth.

[Kodamarama]

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This is the first time I’ve really, really hated Jimmy and Kim.  Their behaviour when Howard confronts them - to keep gaslighting him and acting like they’re innocent and above him.  Brrr!  (I noticed Jimmy tacitly acknowledged it was them at one point and gets crazy side-eye from Kim for it.)  Nasty, snide bullying shit, quickly undone when an actual big bully comes into frame.

 

Shame on youse!!

 

[g wings]

1 hour ago, SpagMasterSwift said:

That was crazy good! 
 

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I clocked Psycho, Vertigo and Rear Window in that episode but must have been more Hitchcock references, right?

 

I always miss this stuff. Can you give some more detail? 

[DeciderVT]

On 24/05/2022 at 22:30, Kodamarama said:

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This is the first time I’ve really, really hated Jimmy and Kim.  Their behaviour when Howard confronts them - to keep gaslighting him and acting like they’re innocent and above him.  Brrr!  (I noticed Jimmy tacitly acknowledged it was them at one point and gets crazy side-eye from Kim for it.)  Nasty, snide bullying shit, quickly undone when an actual big bully comes into frame.

 

Shame on youse!!

 

 

I watched one of those recap videos recently and

 

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the part where Jimmy lets Howard believe he was responsible for pushing Chuck over the edge was something I'd forgotten. Howard was filled with remorse and Jimmy cheerily announcing "that's your cross to bear" was one of those early points of no return. I hated Jimmy for that, so it's sad to see Kim willingly dragged down to that level.

 

[Benny]

Jesus fucking Christ.

 

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I've been feeling sorry for Howard for a while now, but seeing it all come together on him and then the final moment was quite heartbreaking. When you hear him lay it all out on Kim and Jimmy it's so right and we're so culpable for loving watching them. My heart started thumping out of my chest when the candle blew the second time. You knew who it was even before the silhouette. Holy crap what an episode.

 

[Benny]

Also

 

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I've been worried for Kim all this time along with Nacho. But honestly I think Kim actually has become somebody else over the course of the last two seasons. There was a line ages ago where Jimmy went "am I bad for you". But I think the truth of it is Kim is bad for herself. She has been essentially "breaking bad" now for a while, and I think I'm with Howard now on what she's allowed herself to become.

 

[Jamie John]

Prediction time, then:

 

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What's going to happen to Kim?

 

I don't think she's going to get killed - from what I can recall, at no point in Breaking Bad does Saul make any reference to his dead wife, his grief for her or anything of that nature. Plus, if she was killed by the cartel then I think (or I'd like to think) that would be enough to ward Saul off from ever being a cartel lawyer, like he is in BB. It's clear in BCS that Jimmy loves Kim a lot, and I just couldn't see it making sense for his character if he carried on in the same role if she was murdered.

 

So, she has to leave him some other way. I think the simplest outcome is that she realises she's become a bad person, no better than her con-artist mother, and she leaves Jimmy because she associates him with the part of her life that she want a clean break from. She rides off into the sunset, never to be killed again. It breaks her heart, but it's the best thing or her.

 

Jimmy is obviously depressed when she leaves, but ultimately continues to be Saul because he realises that what Chuck said about him - that he's innately immoral - is true and there's nothing he can do about it, so he may as well embrace it, hence why he remains Saul.

 

That's the simplest outcome, which means it'll never happen, or won't happen in that way, anyway.

 

There's also all the stuff with the 

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black and white flashforwards, taking place after the events of BB, when Jimmy is living his post-Saul identity, but in the most recent one gets called out as being Saul by that group of (white, not Mexican) ne'er do wells. I've got no fucking clue what's going to happen there, but as it's post-BB then Jimmy's prequel-granted safety blanket is gone. He himself could be killed, maybe as comeuppance for all his sins, similar to how

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Walt dies at the end of BB.

 

 

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[mikeyl]

11 minutes ago, Jamie John said:

Prediction time, then:

 

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What's going to happen to Kim?

 

I don't think she's going to get killed - from what I can recall, at no point in Breaking Bad does Saul make any reference to his dead wife, his grief for her or anything of that nature. Plus, if she was killed by the cartel then I think (or I'd like to think) that would be enough to ward Saul off from ever being a cartel lawyer, like he is in BB. It's clear in BCS that Jimmy loves Kim a lot, and I just couldn't see it making sense for his character if he carried on in the same role if she was murdered.

 

So, she has to leave him some other way. I think the simplest outcome is that she realises she's become a bad person, no better than her con-artist mother, and she leaves Jimmy because she associates him with the part of her life that she want a clean break from. She rides off into the sunset, never to be killed again. It breaks her heart, but it's the best thing or her.

 

Jimmy is obviously depressed when she leaves, but ultimately continues to be Saul because he realises that what Chuck said about him - that he's innately immoral - is true and there's nothing he can do about it, so he may as well embrace it, hence why he remains Saul.

 

That's the simplest outcome, which means it'll never happen, or won't happen in that way, anyway.

 

There's also all the stuff with the 

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black and white flashforwards, taking place after the events of BB, when Jimmy is living his post-Saul identity, but in the most recent one gets called out as being Saul by that group of (white, not Mexican) ne'er do wells. I've got no fucking clue what's going to happen there, but as it's post-BB then Jimmy's prequel-granted safety blanket is gone. He himself could be killed, maybe as comeuppance for all his sins, similar to how

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Walt dies at the end of BB.

 

 

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My guess is that she goes and gets a new Dyson as she did read out the business card last week.

[Camel]

How did Lalo know 

 

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the phone was tapped?

 

[Benny]

3 minutes ago, Camel said:

How did Lalo know 

 

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the phone was tapped?

 

 

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I think it was because he heard a few noises on the connection that sounded weird, like more than one redirect, and was suspicious enough to assume Fring would most likely have the phone tapped.

 

[Darwock]

I’m annoyed that

 

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Mike didn’t put two and two together when Lalo hung up and then called back a minute later that he was wise to them. If Mike hadn’t reacted by taking surveillance off Kim & Jimmy then Howard would probably not have been killed.

 

Or if they hadn’t answered the door and left the confrontation for another day. Poor Howard.

 

[Stanley]

I was pissing myself laughing during the meeting scenes, to the point I felt guilty for

it 

[Popo]

8 hours ago, Jamie John said:

Ok, another question:

 

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Is it revealed how the photos showing Jimmy giving the envelope to the phony judge were swapped for the ones of him giving the frisbee to the student? Was that just sleight of hand by the phony PI?

 

Howard basically explains it in the scene with him and Cliff. 

 

7 hours ago, Benny said:

Jesus fucking Christ.

 

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I've been feeling sorry for Howard for a while now, but seeing it all come together on him and then the final moment was quite heartbreaking. When you hear him lay it all out on Kim and Jimmy it's so right and we're so culpable for loving watching them. My heart started thumping out of my chest when the candle blew the second time. You knew who it was even before the silhouette. Holy crap what an episode.

 

That was such a brilliant touch. Like the devil himself had just walked in. 

 

5 hours ago, Darwock said:

I’m annoyed that

 

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Mike didn’t put two and two together when Lalo hung up and then called back a minute later that he was wise to them. If Mike hadn’t reacted by taking surveillance off Kim & Jimmy then Howard would probably not have been killed.

 

Or if they hadn’t answered the door and left the confrontation for another day. Poor Howard.

 

 

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As soon as Lalo pulled the trigger the only thing I could think was - Jimmy and Kim did this. 

 

[Darwock]

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I don’t get why Lalo had to even do it. Surely he should be drawing as little attention to himself as possible, not leaving a trail of dead bodies. What risk was there by allowing Howard (who didn’t even know him) to just leave?

 

[SpagMasterSwift]

8 hours ago, g wings said:

I always miss this stuff. Can you give some more detail? 

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Lalo in the shower - classic shower head shot from Psycho, Lalo watching from the drain Rear Window, Howard runs up the stairs Vertigo. Maybe I’m tripping as couldn’t see anybody talking about it online.

 

[Benny]

53 minutes ago, Darwock said:

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I don’t get why Lalo had to even do it. Surely he should be drawing as little attention to himself as possible, not leaving a trail of dead bodies. What risk was there by allowing Howard (who didn’t even know him) to just leave?

 

 

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Because after Kim and Jimmy turn up dead, Howard would have been the last person to have seen them alive with Lalo. We already know Lalo will have gone in there intending to kill them both after getting the information he needs, like he did with the construction worker. Given he's a wanted man already, he can't leave people alive that know his whereabouts.

 

[Darwock]

I had not wanted to consider that being the ultimate outcome.

 

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I know they had that whole tense confrontation about what really happened in the desert, but isn’t Jimmy ‘on’ team Salamanca? Jimmy is not connected to Gus in any way from Lalo’s point of view, is he? He doesn’t even know Mike was helping him out as a guardian angel.

 

Have I forgotten something?

[Boozy The Clown]

[Benny]

16 minutes ago, Darwock said:

I had not wanted to consider that being the ultimate outcome.

 

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I know they had that whole tense confrontation about what really happened in the desert, but isn’t Jimmy ‘on’ team Salamanca? Jimmy is not connected to Gus in any way from Lalo’s point of view, is he? He doesn’t even know Mike was helping him out as a guardian angel.

 

Have I forgotten something?

 

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Even if so, he has already been suspicious Jimmy has lied to him. And even if he has no intention of killing Kim and Jimmy, Howard could easily put two and two together and have called the police if he'd realised who Lalo was. Howard was a dead man as soon as he walked in that door, the candle flickering the first time like the tolling of a bell...

 

[Benny]

As for what's going to happen

 

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I mean holy shit, we know Jimmy survives, so what on earth he and Kim are going to do I can't imagine.

 

The thing with Kim is given her relationship with Jimmy it really doesn't track in Breaking Bad that she's just not a relevance at all without something really major happening. I doubt she'll be killed. Jimmy would be utterly devastated and he seemed "normal" in Breaking Bad... But then again, he barely grieved for his own brother, and maybe him and Kim's relationship really is just built on getting off on the scams now...

 

The scenario I've expected for a while now though is Kim ends up out of his life by other means. I always thought she'd end up in prison for a long time or something, but they got away with the Sandpiper scam so...

 

Maybe Kim somehow kills Lalo and goes away for murder protecting Jimmy... 🤯

 

[Danster]

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In breaking bad Jimmy worries that Walt and Jesse were sent for him by Lalo. I think he thinks he's still alive, even if he isn't.

 

As for Kim, I'm still massively unsure what's going to happen there. Is she alive? Does Jimmy mention an ex wife at all during breaking bad?

 

 

It's going to be a nightmare waiting for the conclusion. The speculation will drive us all crazy.