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going to spoiler this not as its facts but interesting internet theories that came up on ep2 of the Dave Chen podcast (yes he's an utter cock but I like Jo Robinson and somehow his podcasts are quite listenable, despite him being an utter pillock)

 

 

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its been said the last fatal incident was over 30y ago and the man in black has stated he's been coming here for 30y, also he 'gets whatever he wants' - was his family/wife the one killed and as some settlement he got these rights. Could be linked in other ways but I hadn't connected the timing

 

wackier theory is that the 2 new guests (the white hat/black hat chaps) are operating on a different timeline to the rest of the story with robots going rogue, apparently there was a different park logo when they arrived and none of their scenes so far intersect with the current glitching storyline. Theory being this is in the past and one of them becomes the man in black. Find this one a bit far fetched but will be looking for it.

 

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47 minutes ago, Gotters said:

going to spoiler this not as its facts but interesting internet theories that came up on ep2 of the Dave Chen podcast (yes he's an utter cock but I like Jo Robinson and somehow his podcasts are quite listenable, despite him being an utter pillock)

 

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its been said the last fatal incident was over 30y ago and the man in black has stated he's been coming here for 30y, also he 'gets whatever he wants' - was his family/wife the one killed and as some settlement he got these rights. Could be linked in other ways but I hadn't connected the timing

 

wackier theory is that the 2 new guests (the white hat/black hat chaps) are operating on a different timeline to the rest of the story with robots going rogue, apparently there was a different park logo when they arrived and none of their scenes so far intersect with the current glitching storyline. Theory being this is in the past and one of them becomes the man in black. Find this one a bit far fetched but will be looking for it.

 

 

I can see the second part of that idea in the spoiler.

 

Ep 2 thoughts...

 

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When the two new guys got off the train, I wanted to see if the Marsden character was there in the background, but he wasn't. Nor did the Marsden character bump into the big guy after just leaving the station. It was the polite man instead.

 

I'll need to rewatch the opening scenes from Ep 1 to see if I can hear the two men from Ep 2.

 

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Not spoilering this as its pure speculation. I think the only ones we're familiar with he interacts with are Delores (who its established is one of the oldest hosts in the park) and Hooker-Bot 500. The 'quest giver' when you enter town was also different, a solider instead of a lawman hunting a bandit..

 

EDIT: Actually thinking about Hooker-Bot, everytime we've seen her previously she's always been inside the saloon. This time she was outside touting for business and they made a point in the episode of mentioning that she used to be the Brothel Madame before Thandie Newton. Hmmmmm...

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Did her appearence in the prologue and when we saw her getting interviewed match. I have a vague recollection that I thought she looked a lot more beat up when we saw at the start sat in the dark. Could tie in to the dual timeline theory and those are actually two different interviews using the same stock script they use when 'debugging' the hosts.

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Well that 2nd episode was pretty decent all up. This is going to be a slow burn and I think once I accept the pace it won't bother me so much, patience is a  virtue apparently. but not one of mine.Just hope it's not like True Detective season 2 where there is so much to like but it just doesn't hang together as well as it could. Also , I've avoided spoilers for episode 2 but have  a theory below.

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Some of them are obviously aware and have hidden the pictures/the real world gun for the next incarnation of themselves to find is what I'm inferring

 

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Only seen 35m of episode 3 but what I saw was good and piled on a few more questions, and also answered a few too. At least one thing felt like 'you thought we'd do that but we're doing this'.

 

They seem to be setting up a lot and it's becoming hard to see who is playing who.

 

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There's a telling line, about there only being one line of code stopping the hosts becoming killers or having the ability to actually kill visitors.

 

It was also odd how cold Hopkins had become - telling Marsden that he'd never get Delores and cutting the host's face in front of the worker to show they are simply robots.

 

Then my daughter woke up so I didn't see the rest!

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Really good episode that throws out even more stuff. There's almost the question that things are happening a bit too fast - 

 

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Interesting to hear about Arnold and how Bernard seems to now be playing a similar game. Whatever attacked Marsden's character doesn't appear to be killed by bullets either. It was good to see Delores pulling the trigger, which you knew was coming. Her world seems to be bleeding into itself. The suicide certainly raises a bag of questions and I'm starting to wonder if Ford's plan actually includes the behind the scenes staff being part of the narrative.

 

Someone smarter than me needs to go into the themes and what this meant or what that meant. 

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Didn't really feel episode 3 at all. 

 

Also loads of people mentioning Lost but fuck me could we do with it not being like that. Endless mysteries, character contrivances, abandoned story details and made-up-the-week-before-filming plot twists? No thanks.

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Well, one theory from above is already

On 14/10/2016 at 08:00, Gotters said:

going to spoiler this not as its facts but interesting internet theories that came up on ep2 of the Dave Chen podcast (yes he's an utter cock but I like Jo Robinson and somehow his podcasts are quite listenable, despite him being an utter pillock)

 

 

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its been said the last fatal incident was over 30y ago and the man in black has stated he's been coming here for 30y, also he 'gets whatever he wants' - was his family/wife the one killed and as some settlement he got these rights. Could be linked in other ways but I hadn't connected the timing

 

wackier theory is that the 2 new guests (the white hat/black hat chaps) are operating on a different timeline to the rest of the story with robots going rogue, apparently there was a different park logo when they arrived and none of their scenes so far intersect with the current glitching storyline. Theory being this is in the past and one of them becomes the man in black. Find this one a bit far fetched but will be looking for it.

 

Well, one of those was debunked early on.

 

On 16/10/2016 at 01:20, lolly said:

Well that 2nd episode was pretty decent all up. This is going to be a slow burn and I think once I accept the pace it won't bother me so much, patience is a  virtue apparently. but not one of mine.Just hope it's not like True Detective season 2 where there is so much to like but it just doesn't hang together as well as it could. Also , I've avoided spoilers for episode 2 but have  a theory below.

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Some of them are obviously aware and have hidden the pictures/the real world gun for the next incarnation of themselves to find is what I'm inferring

 

But this one's more like it.

 

I'm not sure about this so far since it just seems to pile up mysteries for the most part. A slow show wouldn't be that bad, were it not that most characters aren't at all that interesting. For some reason I have to think back to True Blood (another sort of campy HBO show) that failed at plot pretty early on, but succeeded so well when it came to characters. With the exception of the Ed Harris character this is all plot and mystery so far. That's probably enough for me to give it a shot for a couple more episodes, but I'm not sure whether I will make it 'till the end of the season.

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A lot of the things that we are inclined to take as developments in the character of the hosts, might in fact be the result of Anthony Hopkins new scheme. Delores fighting back for example, might not be what we think it is, it could be scripted. I like that ambiguity.

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Yeah, episode three was the worst yet. It was a few episodes into it that I gave up on Game of Thrones too, for similar reasons - namely, the mediocre dialogue, the lack of any meaningful or illuminating exploration of interesting themes, and some very dodgy performances. Bombastic action- and plot-heavy shite with a budget, basically, which is what Westworld is turning out to be.

 

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Clumsy, patronising exposition. Major ones such as Ford outright narrating the story of Arnold, spelling shit out word for word: 'My business partner blah blah blah ... His name was Arnold.' Scriptwriters clobbering you over the head with observations so obvious even the Westworld hosts would have made the connections. Unbearable. 'HIS NAME WAS ARNOLD.' Yeah, no shit, we got there ourselves.

 

Similar minor pieces of patronising exposition litter the whole script. From the same scene, discussing Bernard's son, who we'd learned earlier in the episode had died. Ford says: 'I know that the death of your son Charlie still weighs heavily on your mind.' What real-life human being would say that? He would have and should have said: 'I know Charlie's death still weighs heavily on your mind.' (Right? But no, 'The death of your son Charlie', as though Bernard needs reminding who Charlie was.) The viewer makes the connection with the earlier mention of his son's death and this new Charlie and knows exactly who Charlie is without having to be told 'THE DEATH OF YOUR SON WHO IS CALLED CHARLIE. CHARLIE WAS YOUR SON, DID YOU KNOW? Are you guys keeping up?' God. Maddening. Trivial in isolation, I guess, but flat, awkward, obvious dialogue permeates each episode.

 

Shakespeare quotes - fine, whatever. I mean, a cliche by this point, but ok, if you must. Shakespeare quotes, then pointing out to your audience you've just quoted Shakespeare - terrible. I think this has happened in every episode yet. First episode Ford even explained to us - after we'd heard the fucking lines for ourselves - that he'd programmed the hosts to quote Shakespeare, Gertrude Stein and ... I forget the other. Why the insistence that every single viewer understand every contrived nuance of the script? 'THAT WAS GERTRUDE STEIN, BY THE WAY.' Any mystery this has to offer is in plot twists - there is none in the writing.

 

Very disappointing handling of how the hosts develop sentience. Seemingly some finger-of-god intervention by Ford, rather than robots developing it 'naturally' and going rogue. There's nothing particularly dramatic about watching characters within the drama engineer the plot. We might as well be watching Ford and Arnold playing chess or putting on a puppet show.

 

Continuing blandness every time we leave the park. Conversations between employees almost always a waste of time. The only line the Scandinavian-sounding executive delivers is: 'YOU CAUSED THIS PROBLEM - YOU CAN FIX IT.' (Maybe she is a host, like Shirley Manson in the similarly mediocre Sarah Connor Chronicles - is she doing an amazing performance as a robot, or can she not act for shit?) The same empty glass lifts, cells and labs with nothing but a tablet, smartphone and a chair in sight. Amazing feat of imagination there too - how do we communicate with each other in centuries to come? By smartphone and tablet, of course. What kind of software do they use? Why, Siri-esque speech-to-text recognition.

 

Oh my god, the more I think about it, the more I hate it.

 

James Marsden came very close to getting his robot cock out, at least. I will keep watching.

 

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They were part of Hopkins' new scheme, no?

Wyatt's men. Interesting that they seemed to be immune to gunfire.

 

Hopkins is starting to show a bit of a nutcase side I hadn't suspected before, also shown in his treatment of the boy at the end of the previous episode.

 

I find those nitpicky complaints about the script to be extremely, er, nitpicky by the way. Not everyone watching is like you. Some viewers are going to be teenagers who might discover Shakespeare for the first time through this show.

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I'm curious as to where the place is. They have limited communication, people work on a monthly (six monthly?) rotation too. Makes me think it's offworld, but the logistics of that (and the fact the man in black has been going there for 30 years) makes me think it's something else. 

 

We also don't know when the show is set, so it is possible we've somehow colonised the moon. 

 

What happens if Delores isn't attacked by the man in black? Does she just go home and to bed? That scenario in the opening episode only seemed to exist so Marsden could save her, but I got the impression the man in black doesn't show up every night and Marsden is a host. I guess it's like numerous storylines which take place - whether someone intervenes or not, the story continues.

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Didn't really feel episode 3 at all. 
 
Also loads of people mentioning Lost but fuck me could we do with it not being like that. Endless mysteries, character contrivances, abandoned story details and made-up-the-week-before-filming plot twists? No thanks.


They've already said they have five series plotted out. They did it during the down time when this was pulled from production.
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