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15 hours ago, Stigweard said:

 

Is that worse than a break though? I've dislocated stuff before and it seemed to heal quicker than my breaks. Unless there's ligament damage too.  

 

Depends a lot on soft tissue damage. Andre Gomes was a dislocation and fracture and he was out for about 4 months I think. Typically it's probably a less serious injury than snapping your tib+fib, because then you have to have all the rods and pins and stuff put in.

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I thought it was a red card, personally. He went through the back of him, didn't seem particularly interested in playing the ball, and showed zero consideration for the safety of his opponent.  Hopefully Elliott can make a full recovery. He was playing well this season and his career seemed on the point of taking off. It's such a shame.

 

I also think it was sort of inevitable that someone was going to get a serious injury sooner or later with this harebrained philosophy of "letting the game flow" that has come in this season.  Every game I've watched this season has had one or two dangerous challenges that have been let go by the referees. Letting the game flow has become allowing players to fly into tackles in the name of entertainment.  This isn't the 80s anymore. Footballers now are massive units capable of going into tackles with much more speed and force than in previous times.  Bones however have not become any less breakable.  The restrictions on tackling were sensible measures that have come into the game as it has evolved to protect players. Suddenly throwing all that away in the name of appeasing fans who want to see big tackles is like throwing away safety measures in motorsports for the benefit of spectators who want to see crashes. It's stupid.

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It's best for the player's safety that horific injuries mean a red card, weither they end up standing or not, because it helps to de-escalate the situation.  Imagine seeing someone snap your mates leg in half then trying to keep a level head when going in to tackle them, in would end in carnage.

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1 hour ago, The Fox said:

 

Depends a lot on soft tissue damage. Andre Gomes was a dislocation and fracture and he was out for about 4 months I think. Typically it's probably a less serious injury than snapping your tib+fib, because then you have to have all the rods and pins and stuff put in.

 

Ah, OK. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what they say after the operation then.

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1 hour ago, feltmonkey said:

I thought it was a red card, personally. He went through the back of him, didn't seem particularly interested in playing the ball, and showed zero consideration for the safety of his opponent.  Hopefully Elliott can make a full recovery. He was playing well this season and his career seemed on the point of taking off. It's such a shame.

 

I also think it was sort of inevitable that someone was going to get a serious injury sooner or later with this harebrained philosophy of "letting the game flow" that has come in this season.  Every game I've watched this season has had one or two dangerous challenges that have been let go by the referees. Letting the game flow has become allowing players to fly into tackles in the name of entertainment.  This isn't the 80s anymore. Footballers now are massive units capable of going into tackles with much more speed and force than in previous times.  Bones however have not become any less breakable.  The restrictions on tackling were sensible measures that have come into the game as it has evolved to protect players. Suddenly throwing all that away in the name of appeasing fans who want to see big tackles is like throwing away safety measures in motorsports for the benefit of spectators who want to see crashes. It's stupid.

 

In the few games I've watched this season the tackles certainly are flying in more now and as you say, at pace. I guess players know they will get away with more, thus reducing the chances of bookings/red cards, and so are committing a bit more forcefully to those 50:50 challenges and from behind (which was almost always a free kick previously.)

 

It's actually a shame that Klopp spoke out about it previously, because it has meant a lot of fans/media have put it down to him moaning again rather than, you know, having a point. Ole also criticised it, incidentally, either the same day as Klopp or the day before/after - but he didn't get the same column inches when he spoke out.

 

It's all very well coming out with the 'it's a contact sport' guff, but there still needs to be level of player protection to avoid dangerous challenges - and yesterday's certainly looked unpleasant. I've only seen it in a YouTube video (so not great quality - but I've no great desire to see a kid's foot flopping about detached from his leg) and whilst I don't for a second think it was malicious, it's not a smart tackle at all and whilst it's the trailing leg that does for Elliott, it's the fact that Struijk has jumped off the ground the get the extra momentum that has done the damage. Had that been a sliding tackle along the floor, that injury doesn't occur I don't think (though perhaps a twisted ankle still happens as the legs still get intertwined).

 

I'm totally gutted for Elliott though, because this is (was?) a big chance this season for him to play a good amount of games and he's now going to robbed of x months of key development. And who knows what mental scars it will leave? He wouldn't be the first player to come back from a serious injury and lose that a fraction of his competitiveness due to fear of being hurt again. It's a horrible, horrible situation for a player of any age, let alone and 18-year old boy.

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24 minutes ago, Gabe said:

 

It's actually a shame that Klopp spoke out about it previously, because it has meant a lot of fans/media have put it down to him moaning again rather than, you know, having a point. Ole also criticised it, incidentally, either the same day as Klopp or the day before/after - but he didn't get the same column inches when he spoke out.

 

Yeah, I think that's one of those lessons in how the media works and how unhelpful it can be. Klopp's statement was more hyperbolic and emotional, I think he said something about "rugby tactics" so it came across as him moaning about an opponent.  Ole's statement was more mild, expressing concern that referees, in trying to "let the game flow" had gone too far in the other direction. So of course Klopp's words got more coverage, and were easily dismissed because they came across as a bit silly.  It was interesting how Klopp's rugby tactics statement entered the public consciousness to such a degree that the following week when Ole was interviewed about the refereeing he was told that HE had complained about rugby tactics!  

 

This isn't a club issue. As far as United is concerned, we've had one go for us and one go against us this season.  Fernandes was fouled in the build up to Southampton's goal, and Pogba fouled Neves in the build up to Greenwood's goal against Wolves.  I think they need to rethink this refereeing philosophy before anyone else gets hurt. It's already too late, frankly.

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@feltmonkey Agree with you completely about it not being a club issue, I've watched games not involving Liverpool and grimaced at some of the challenges that have gone unpunished and wondered how they've played on.

 

You're also right about Klopp, part of why a lot of neutral fans like him is because of his clear enthusiasm and child-like excitement about stuff, but it does also mean those same emotions take over when he's trying to make a good point, like last season when he was supporting Ole by criticising the PL allowing Manchester United's fixture pile-up and talking about protecting players health - but it was just him moaning again and clearly he didn't care because he didn't rest players against Man City etc. As you say, it makes it easy for the press to play the man, not the ball where he is concerned.

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