Liverpool Football Club Thread

[CheekyLee]

Every single week, now, VAR takes something from us. This is the same VAR that decided Pickford's attack on Van Dijk was perfectly acceptable.

[Gabe]

Despite everything though, we should still be beating Brighton. That's a poor two dropped points.

[Oh Danny Boy]

Wow. Got proper fucked over there today. 
 

Will probably have to send a team of ball boys and cleaners into the next game. 

[Chewylegs]

1 minute ago, Gabe said:

Despite everything though, we should still be beating Brighton. That's a poor two dropped points.

Dudley has just said something as equally dumb in the main thread.  We would have beaten them if the penalty at the end wasn't given. It wasn't clear and obvious.

[Stig]

1 minute ago, Gabe said:

Despite everything though, we should still be beating Brighton. That's a poor two dropped points.

 

We were until a bullshit VAR decision. Also these kind of offside calls are ridiculous. Where is the obvious advantage here?

[bradigor]

If that's on Salah the world screams about it being a dive 

[Chewylegs]

Blurry yellow boot looks offside compared to blurry black boots.  It's dumb as.

[glb]

That was well bum.

 

Think the most frustrating thing is VAR decisions like the penalty are bafflingly inconsistent, which undermines the point of using it in the first place.

[Azrael]

A game full of absolute bullshit. How VAR is being used is killing my enjoyment of the game. The technology itself I have no issues with, but the fucking muppets using it and making the calls need fired. 

[bradigor]

Klopp is done with the media. 

[Chewylegs]

He really is.  He's just fed up now of then constant nonsense.

[glb]

Just now, bradigor said:

Klopp is done with the media. 

Think he’ll remain socially distant in interviews once Covid is over just for the safety of the interviewers.

 

Personally I hope he just starts windmilling them.

[Commander Jameson]

Klopp 

[Azrael]

Who is this fanny trying to argue with Klopp? 

[bradigor]

Des Kelly

[Chewylegs]

Man U fan by any chance? Got a bee in his bonnet with Liverpool it seems.

[Adrock]

Klopp needs to give up bringing it up, it's playing into the hands of the media and other clubs who will use it against him.

 

I think the argument that clubs took the money so they should just run themselves into the ground is not really acceptable, but the argument doesn't need to be had on the telly.

[Gabe]

23 minutes ago, Stigweard said:

 

We were until a bullshit VAR decision. Also these kind of offside calls are ridiculous. Where is the obvious advantage here?

 

24 minutes ago, Chewylegs said:

Dudley has just said something as equally dumb in the main thread.  We would have beaten them if the penalty at the end wasn't given. It wasn't clear and obvious.

 

For the first disallowed goal there was still what, an hour left to try and win the game? So I don't see that can be pointed to as costing us the result. Too much time left (for both teams - and Brighton had been the better side up to then anyway, hadn't they?)

 

The penalty - yeah, there's no time left to react to that so it's a real blow. But the game should've been put to bed so that it was nothing more than a consolation. We didn't, we got punished, and it's a rubbish, rubbish way for it to happen but because of the awfulness of refereering and VAR over the past season and a bit you almost need a 2-goal cushion in every game just to give you a chance.

[Stig]

3 minutes ago, Gabe said:

 

 

For the first disallowed goal there was still what, an hour left to try and win the game? So I don't see that can be pointed to as costing us the result. Too much time left (for both teams - and Brighton had been the better side up to then anyway, hadn't they?)

 

The penalty - yeah, there's no time left to react to that so it's a real blow. But the game should've been put to bed so that it was nothing more than a consolation. We didn't, we got punished, and it's a rubbish, rubbish way for it to happen but because of the awfulness of refereering and VAR over the past season and a bit you almost need a 2-goal cushion in every game just to give you a chance.

 

But we didn;t get punished by Brighton, we got punish by a bullshit VAR decsion.

 

That Salah goal goes in and its a different game. It's all relevant to how the rest of the game plays out.

[Gabe]

5 minutes ago, Stigweard said:

 

But we didn;t get punished by Brighton, we got punish by a bullshit VAR decsion.

 

That Salah goal goes in and its a different game. It's all relevant to how the rest of the game plays out.

Of course it is, that's my point - with so much time left in the game I don't think you can point at that and say "Well, we definitely would've won then." Brighton may well still have got something out of it, we don't know.

 

I'm really not being contrary, by the way - I'm trying to find a way to rationalise stuff so I can deal with the result and not just let it ruin my day due to frustration. The Salah offside - like the Henderson vs Everton a few weeks back or Firmino vs Villa last season (to name a couple more) was an absolutely shocking decision, but there's no sign of these things slowing down across the league and it really is making a complete joke of every weekend.

[glb]

21 minutes ago, Adrock said:

Klopp needs to give up bringing it up, it's playing into the hands of the media and other clubs who will use it against him.

 

I think the argument that clubs took the money so they should just run themselves into the ground is not really acceptable, but the argument doesn't need to be had on the telly.

Think today BT could have had Man City, who played Tuesday night, at 12:30, and the Brighton Liverpool game at 2:45.
 

Data does suggest even a few hours extra between games can be significant in recovery terms eg ability to maintain routine sleep cycles.

[Adrock]

I have no problem with the idea teams playing midweek should be given ample rest. City travelled midweek though so should probably be afforded time to recover too.

[glb]

Oops, my bad. Yeah City were Wednesday and away. So they actually have it worse.

[Stig]

2 hours ago, Stigweard said:

 

We were until a bullshit VAR decision. Also these kind of offside calls are ridiculous. Where is the obvious advantage here?

 

I've only just noticed this, but that line on the Brighton players foot is from the inside of his right foot, not the left side of his body. The fuck is that about?

[humdrum]

A genuine question, what is causing the upset with the Welbeck penalty? that you think it was the wrong call or that VAR stepped in and asked the ref to review it?

[Stig]

53 minutes ago, humdrum said:

A genuine question, what is causing the upset with the Welbeck penalty? that you think it was the wrong call or that VAR stepped in and asked the ref to review it?

 

It wasn't a clear and obvious error which they say they don't review. Not to mention no body appeals apart from Welbeck who took like 4 steps forward then just fell over. The slowing down of these situation make them look so much worse than they are too. If its being reviewed they need more than just 3 seconds of slowed down footage, show the build up and the incident in full speed too.

 

Also the inconsistencies of it all when stuff like this isn't even looked at. Its just one massive frustration.

 

  

[ucci]

6 hours ago, Paulando said:

It’s great how they can put a pixel-perfect line on the end of a foot, on some footage that looks like a 480p DiVX from 1998.

 

I don't think we ever get to view the footage available to the VAR referees? Could be wrong? Behind the scenes the camera angles are more apt to make the right decision. 

[JLM]

 

Fuck off Des Kelly.

[humdrum]

3 hours ago, Stigweard said:

 

It wasn't a clear and obvious error which they say they don't review. Not to mention no body appeals apart from Welbeck who took like 4 steps forward then just fell over. The slowing down of these situation make them look so much worse than they are too. If its being reviewed they need more than just 3 seconds of slowed down footage, show the build up and the incident in full speed too.

 

Also the inconsistencies of it all when stuff like this isn't even looked at. Its just one massive frustration.

 

  

So it is VAR getting involved in this incident and not getting involved in others then? not an issue that is was the wrong decision? which surely is the point of VAR to get the right decision in the end? but also if Robertson didn't get the ball and kicked Welbeck then it clearly was an obvious error?

 

I see what you are trying to say showing the VVD incident, but it is different as the ball would have been dead when the foul happened so I don't think it could be a penalty, a sending off possibly but the closer comparison would be the penalty you got against West Ham, which was very similar to the Welbeck one today which VAR agreed was a penalty so if that was then surely todays was as well?

[CheekyLee]

7 minutes ago, humdrum said:

the closer comparison would be the penalty you got against West Ham,

The ref on the field gave that penalty. What you need to find as an actual comparison is any other penalty which the ref deemed not to be a foul that VAR then requested him to look at again. There may well be some, but none I can think of at the moment.

 

EDIT: Looking into this, I found an article on ESPN that is, to say the least, eye-opening! https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4182135/how-var-decisions-affected-every-premier-league-club-in-2020-21