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Seems like a reasonable measure of the success, or otherwise, of VAR so far is: are we (and pundits on MOTD etc.) spending more or less time discussing and disagreeing with the decisions? It feels like it's dramatically more to me, and practically every game has some debate about something that should or shouldn't have been overruled. It's completely ridiculous that we've ended up in this situation where these fractional calls are being minutely examined, holding up games, ruining goal celebrations, and rarely even reaching a more correct outcome anyway.

 

Many of the incidents that have been agonised over in this manner haven't made any real difference anyway. For example, if Firmino's (non-)goal had happened pre-VAR, replays and analysis after the game would have shown that it was incredibly close, and probably neither set of fans would have been too put out if it had been allowed or ruled out, because it was basically impossible to call. VAR intervening has actually made that situation much worse.

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It's a tough one. I want the decisions to be correct and a video replay can definitely catch things that would have been missed otherwise. I can't agree that some guys  running around trying to follow the game and eyeball every decision is the optimal way to enforce the rules, but then some of the VAR calls have been either incorrect or so insanely petty that you'd rather they left it alone. I will say that I noticed when it wasn't there for the Carabao Cup game and one of Arsenal's goals was blatantly offside but wasn't called. There was also a very strong shout for a handball/penalty decision that was missed.

 

I'm not sure if the length of time pundits spend flapping their gums about everything is really a measure of anything though, as there are still plenty of decisions that come down to opinion and they have a lot of TV time to fill. Plus VAR is the hot topic of the day so they're going to talk about everything it does ad nauseum. The headline when VAR absolutely correctly overrules a bad refereeing call is still always "ARSENAL DRAW AFTER VAR CONTROVERSY" rather than "CORRECT VAR DECISION PREVENTS UNFAIR RESULT".

 

I think the implementation has been clumsy, inconsistent and poorly communicated  but I'm for the idea in principle.

 

 

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10 minutes ago, glb said:

Club has confirmed Carabao Cup QF will take place on December 17th, with CWC SF being played on December 18th.

 

Safe to assume there will be several changes between games!

 

Good luck against Villa boys!

 

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Such a strange game. Like dropping down the difficulty to amateur but then dicking about, trying to unlock passing or assist trophies.

 

Absolute lad in the Kop wearing nothing but a polo too. Beer coat or not, he’s sticking two fingers up at November and saying, ‘is that the best you’ve got?’

 

Or he left his coat on the bus up the Walton Breck.

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Sat at home bored out of my tiny mind, so I though I'd look at results from this season compared to last season for us and Man City.

 

Liverpool currently have 4 points more than they did in equivalent games against the same opponents from last season*. What I found crazy is, of the remaining 27 games, in last season's equivalent fixtures Liverpool won 22, drew 4 and only lost 1 for a total of 70 points. The only fixtures in which they can improve on results from last season are: Man City (H), West Ham (A), Everton (A), Man City (A) and Arsenal (A). In those games last season Liverpool scored 62 and conceded 14, including 18 clean sheets. They conceded more than once in four games.

 

By comparison, Man City yielded 31 points in the equivalent games from last season, so are currently 6 worse off in comparative games (incidentally after 11 games last season they had 31 points so either way have dipped). Of their remaining 27 games, last season they won 21, drew 2 and lost 4 gaining 65 points. They scored 64 and conceded 17, with only 14 clean sheets but only three sides managed to score more than once against them. The remaining games where they can improve on last season are: Liverpool (A), Newcastle (A), Wolves (A), Crystal Palace (H), Leicester City (A) and Chelsea (A).

 

Obvious takeaways: both team's home records are ridiculous, they rarely concede more than once and there really isn't much room for improvement for either side at their current pace. Sunday's game is one of the few opportunities for either side to do so, assuming there is a winner and not another draw. A nine point gap of course wouldn't be insurmountable because so many variables are different but even so a three point lead being overturned would require Liverpool to regress and City to improve on last season, which is actually quite remarkable.

 

What all this really means is I really need to get a job.

 

*for games against promoted sides, based the equivalent on last season's promoted teams e.g. Liverpool's first home game against a promoted side this season was Norwich, last season it was Cardiff.

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Yeah almost certain Ederson will start. I’m betting he felt the slightest twinge so they didn’t want to risk it at all in a fairly innocuous game. Expecting to lose at the weekend. Would be happy with a draw. Would be ecstatic if we won.

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