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I think Henderson is still trying to find his role in the side - is he meant to be a creative outlet, a box-to-box man, to be a deep-lying playmaker or an old-fashioned central midfielder? Oh, and be captain, too.

Just to throw it out there, but how does Henderson differ from Can/Allen/Milner? That's not a trick question at all, but more in line with the bit above about what should be expected of him. Can we know likes to get forward, Milner just runs everywhere and Allen likes to give away free-kicks (;)). How does Henderson tie things together (assuming Lucas is behind him and the team sets-up with a front 3 still)?

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I think Henderson when fully fit is a good all round box to box type midfielder. He's never going to be an offensive superstar, but has a good range of passing that can pick holes in defences. He has the willingness to make runs forward as well as covering defensively. I'd say he's the most creative of the players you mention.

Personally I think Can is over-rated by fans. His positional sense is poor and has a tendency to over work the ball when better options are available. Allen you have to imagine will be sold if a buyer is available. Milner is a good player, but him and Henderson aren't a pairing. I'd say it's one or other.

We're only half a season in, but I've yet to figure out what Firmino brings to the table. Lallana looks good in flashes and Coutinho still wanders between world class and is he playing! I really don't think we should ever play them as a front three, as they all want to come to the ball which makes it easy to defend against.

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You do know that across the whole season Watford have been, well, better than Liverpool?

That's the point, our players should be playing better than Watford so if they're not, they're not earning their (assumed) vastly larger salaries or justifying their bigger fees.

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You do know that across the whole season Watford have been, well, better than Liverpool?

What exactly is your point though? Because Watford are having a good season and Liverpool aren't, it shouldn't be considered a 'shock' result? That's not how it works really. One season does not make or break a club. Lots of people on here seem to get caught up in the idea that because x is above x, they are a bigger or better team. It's such a childish and unenlightened way of viewing things. If Watford destroy Liverpool 3-0, it is a shock, and until Watford are challenging for league titles, cups, and have as big a stature of Liverpool, then it will still be a shock, no matter how the 'current' league table stacks up.

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What exactly is your point though? Because Watford are having a good season and Liverpool aren't, it shouldn't be considered a 'shock' result? That's not how it works really. One season does not make or break a club. Lots of people on here seem to get caught up in the idea that because x is above x, they are a bigger or better team. It's such a childish and unenlightened way of viewing things. If Watford destroy Liverpool 3-0, it is a shock, and until Watford are challenging for league titles, cups, and have as big a stature of Liverpool, then it will still be a shock, no matter how the 'current' league table stacks up.

Lol Watford are a Premier League team you arrogant arse. One team beating another 3-0 at home is not a "shock" result. Certainly no more of a "Shock" than Liverpool beating one of the top 4.

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What exactly is your point though? Because Watford are having a good season and Liverpool aren't, it shouldn't be considered a 'shock' result? That's not how it works really. One season does not make or break a club. Lots of people on here seem to get caught up in the idea that because x is above x, they are a bigger or better team. It's such a childish and unenlightened way of viewing things. If Watford destroy Liverpool 3-0, it is a shock, and until Watford are challenging for league titles, cups, and have as big a stature of Liverpool, then it will still be a shock, no matter how the 'current' league table stacks up.

That's not how it works. Watford in form beat an out of form Liverpool. There is no shock result there.

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No, but this is the Liverpool thread where we sit hugging our metaphorical 18 league titles and 5 European Cups as they slowly become ancient artifacts from a past that's looking ever more distant.

I don't think anyone's suggesting Liverpool are better than Watford as they clearly demonstrated they're not. The point is more that with Liverpool's history and money and everything else, they should be better than Watford, or at least expect to be better or even just aim to be better.

I have to say Pockets, when I read something like your first sentence, from a Liverpool fan, it disappoints me. I know you say it in jest, but I feel it's just pandering to the Liverpool demeaning mob on here. To me, and to I think the majority of Liverpool fans - that history, those past victories are important. If we can't celebrate our past, what is the point in having a future? Are we to win a trophy and forget about it 5 minutes (or longer) later at the behest of the bitter and jealous? Sure, this section of the forum has opposing fans who love to obsesses over Liverpool, for whatever reason. You only have to look at the activity in this thread compared to other club thread to see that. They'll hate you for it, they'll gang up on you to prove how right they are, they'll neg all your posts and favourite each others - but I will never pander to them like that, even in jest. Sorry if that's a little strong since you were obviously joking, I mean no offence by it, but it's the little things that make a difference.

Second paragraph, yes, that's what I'm saying. Not about the history, but about the status of the clubs. This applies to all clubs, not just Watford and Liverpool, but using those two as an example. We have one of the largest wage bills, a huge gross spend (and a large net spend), we have continually finished top 8, usually at the higher end, in the Premier League. We have huge supplementary revenues, a team full of internationals from top countries, and were playing a newly promoted team etc etc etc. There's a million factors. On paper, we should be easily to beat Watford, home or away. Utd should easily beat Norwich. Chelsea should be beating Leicester and so on. To only look at form and to say, that's the only factor, is way to simplistic and I think really shows a lack of appreciation of the big picture. Form is temporary, it can change in an instant. Until the stature of the football clubs change,it will always be a shock when a smaller club beats a bigger club regardless of that temporary and fragile form.

And Peter Brant, leave out the insults, I'm happy to discuss anything, but there's no need. If you want a flame war, whatever, I can do it, but I'd just rather discuss it in a civilized manner, if you are capable.

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Skrtel out for 6 weeks

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/dec/22/liverpool-martin-skrtel-hamstring-injury

I know it's been said so much it's almost a cliche but I really hope we bring in a new goalkeeper in January. You only have to look at what Cech does the confidence of the Arsenal backline and see how nervous they get when Ospina is playing to know how much a great goalkeeper improves everyone around him.

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I think that's fair on Moreno but harsh on Clyne. I think he's been excellent since coming in. If Moreno improves certain aspects of his defensive game, mainly his positioning and in particular, getting the correct side of attackers when the ball is incoming, he will be excellent for us. Can't wait for Flanno to be back as well. Brad Smith and Joe Gomez are promising options when available too. I think Ryodi is spot on, much of our problems stem from the goalkeeping situation. Sort that with a commanding presence and we will instantly improve. Having said that, I feel Lovren could be improved upon, and as much as I love him...Toure will probably be off in the summer. Latest rumours are Subotic on loan and Joel Matip, possibly now or the summer.

Bit of team leak news: http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/liverpool-fc-team-leaks-reds-10634039- Reds close in on Melwood Mole.

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That miss from Benteke sums our attacking play up, he should not be missing a chance like that.

Yep, that's terrible and you'd be annoyed if that happened in a Sunday league game, especially if they had scored from their break immediately afterwards.

A mixed bag of a game, really - defensively we generally looked quite solid, offensively there was little positive and our passing was off all game (about 80% pass completion I think, which is nowhere near good enough). Like so many matches in the last 18 months it was hard to see where a goal was coming from.

That said, that's a good win but we need to follow that up on Wednesday at Sunderland.

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Yep, that's terrible and you'd be annoyed if that happened in a Sunday league game, especially if they had scored from their break immediately afterwards.

I hope Origi is fit for the Sunderland game. Leicester looked a lot more comfortable when they had a static Benteke to deal with instead of Origin hassling the defenders and fighting for every ball.

Well that would be typical Liverpool to beat the league leaders then lose to a prime candidate for relegation.

Big Sam has a massive chip on his shoulder when it comes to playing against more celebrated managers so I hope we destroy them. But like you said it will probably end up 2-1 to Sunderland.

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Big Sam has a massive chip on his shoulder when it comes to playing against more celebrated managers so I hope we destroy them. But like you said it will probably end up 2-1 to Sunderland.

Aye, there's few managers I can't stand more than Fat Sam; one of the only men capable of carrying a bigger chip on his shoulder than Neil Warnock.

Got nothing against Sunderland, they deserve a lot better than they've been getting, but hope we batter them.

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What's with the bizarre idea of playing 8 premier league games on Monday, one on Tuesday and then us on Wednesday? Bit frigging annoying as a fan.

Then early kick off Saturday for us?! What the fuck?!

Swings and roundabouts though, isn't it? We get extra time to prepare for the Sunderland game, whereas everybody else gets extra time to prepare for the weekend game.

Origi looked pretty lively today, shame he went off. Hopefully it's just precautionary more than a full-on injury. It did show the difference when Benteke came on and everything just went back to the ills of last season where we had no movement and a lack of numbers in the box - although in fairness, our delivery was so abominable I don't think having all 9 other outfield players in the box would have made any difference.

I wonder what Klopp and the board are thinking of in terms of bringing players in?

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