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i agree, and stoke arent a bad side at all football wise, if not morally. that makes you wonder what the mega millions are actually paying for though. when they barely do anything better than a team like leicester (or similar) - full of attacking flair who just go for it, because why the hell not. weight of expectation = massive burden = fear to make a single mistake = paralysis.

Yeah if only we could be more like Leicester and finish 14th?? Being Leicester allows you space because people come to beat you and open up. That is because they can be beaten, as is proven in their results last season.

By the way I love Leicester and they are my 2nd team, I just don't get your point.

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im not beating you with a stick, i just think for all the money spent you'd be after more than an 85th winner at a mid table side. its not just liverpool, man U are absolutely atrocious to watch considering the supposed flair they are buying. if leicester can have a right go at everyone (and have topped the form table for a long time), then surely its not too unfair to expect the top teams to come up with a bit more than scraped wins against average opponents.

i get there are different pressures, money, politics and so on, but at the end of the day (brian) its 11 against 11, with liverpools 11 costing a significant amount more in fees and wages. i think its fair to expect a little more flair. early days i know, but rodgers always has a reason.

If we're still playing like this come Christmas, then I suspect quite a few will agree with you, but we're only two games in. We've got four new players starting games, and a couple more that were here last season but didn't feature much. On top of that, Gomez and Ibe are very young still (and aren't ready yet, IMO).

Also, you're talking about Stoke like that game should be easy for us. They always give us problems at their place and how many teams do you think will go to that ground and come away with three points this season? I'd bet it won't be more than five or six.

I think part of the problem is he's gone back to messing with a 4-2-3-1 (as I predicted he would during the summer). We looked so much better with Can protecting in a 4-3-3 late on against Stoke, and I expect that's what he'll be moving to once the right players are ready. I can see the sense in practising a medium block given the horrible run of away fixtures we have coming up so I'm not too bothered that we haven't been particularly exciting or spectacular yet. It's a nice change to see us trying to control the space as well as the ball so far this season - something I was expecting after the unpopular appointment of O'Driscoll.

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Yeah if only we could be more like Leicester and finish 14th?? Being Leicester allows you space because people come to beat you and open up. That is because they can be beaten, as is proven in their results last season.

By the way I love Leicester and they are my 2nd team, I just don't get your point.

im just saying that for all the vast amounts of cash spent on supposed elite players, they should really be pulling out spectacular goals, brilliant passages of play, incredible moments of flair more often, not just a last ditch 85th minute long range hit and hoper (admittedly a brilliant one). teams like leicester dont have the cash so they have to make it up in any way they can, by being super aggressive, or whatever they decide. teams like liverpool (and much worse this year, man u) seem like theyre just utterly weighted down by expectation.

its the sportsmans rule, if they can attain it, play with the freedom that something doesnt matter, even if its the most important thing in the world. either liverpool are focussing too hard on just not losing, or they simply dont have the skill to produce top level stuff. suarez was the absolute king of playing like it didnt matter, he would try all sorts of crazy things, and more often than not (because he was so skilled and worked so hard at it) they would come off.

to sum up, really for all the money spent, i think people should be expecting a little more than just solid.

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If we're still playing like this come Christmas, then I suspect quite a few will agree with you, but we're only two games in. We've got four new players starting games, and a couple more that were here last season but didn't feature much. On top of that, Gomez and Ibe are very young still (and aren't ready yet, IMO).

Also, you're talking about Stoke like that game should be easy for us. They always give us problems at their place and how many teams do you think will go to that ground and come away with three points this season? I'd bet it won't be more than five or six.

I think part of the problem is he's gone back to messing with a 4-2-3-1 (as I predicted he would during the summer). We looked so much better with Can protecting in a 4-3-3 late on against Stoke, and I expect that's what he'll be moving to once the right players are ready. I can see the sense in practising a medium block given the horrible run of away fixtures we have coming up so I'm not too bothered that we haven't been particularly exciting or spectacular yet. It's a nice change to see us trying to control the space as well as the ball so far this season - something I was expecting after the unpopular appointment of O'Driscoll.

i know, and youre right, stoke can give problems, its just that say for an example..if barcelona played stoke (maybe not this season so far, but you get my point) they would torture them with genius attacking flair. liverpool have the same options in the market, they could sign a top manager and some fresh players..maybe not quite the money and of course no messi, but why cant they get a bunch of flair players in and work a system around them, excite the fans like newcastle did 20 or so years ago. i just think rodgers is not at the level liverpool need to take them on, they should have moved heaven and earth to get ancelotti in over summer, or someone good with top level experience.

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to sum up, really for all the money spent, i think people should be expecting a little more than just solid.

With what I pay for TV coverage per year, divided by 20 teams, think I'm getting a decent £8.25 worth of football from Liverpool. Just about.

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i know, and youre right, stoke can give problems, its just that say for an example..if barcelona played stoke (maybe not this season so far, but you get my point) they would torture them with genius attacking flair. liverpool have the same options in the market, they could sign a top manager and some fresh players..maybe not quite the money and of course no messi, but why cant they get a bunch of flair players in and work a system around them, excite the fans like newcastle did 20 or so years ago. i just think rodgers is not at the level liverpool need to take them on, they should have moved heaven and earth to get ancelotti in over summer, or someone good with top level experience.

This is a strange argument to make, because we are absolutely not in the same market for players as Barcelona (or City, Chelsea, Madrid, Bayern or Man U). We don't have a consistent history of Champions League football, we aren't realistically challenging for the title and we can't pay the real mega wages to get the very top tier (this being a conscious choice, rather than lack of money). And it's all very well saying how great Newcastle were to watch back in the day (and they were) but what has that actually done for the club? They're mainly remembered for blowing the title in spectacular fashion these days, and people cling to the past to get them through the awfulness of the present. Hell, if remembering exciting football is the thing, I still recall the joy of the 87/88 season; the Forest 5-0, the triumvirate of Aldridge, Barnes and Beardsley scoring for fun, the steel and the flair of that team...

Anyway, stream of consciousness about last night: rubbish performance (bar a 20-minute spell in the first half), offside for the goal, not a foul in my view for the disallowed goal. Skrtel should have been penalised for massive shirt holding (he actually has toned that down a lot of late), Lovren was also fortunate not to concede a penalty when he weakly wafted a leg in the area early in the game too. Coutinho was the only player to provide any craft, Benteke worked hard but had little support, Lallana and Ibe were passengers and if the same formation is picked against Arsenal I think they should both be replaced. Did Firmino even touch the ball when he came on? Still really like the pressing and graft of Milner, as well as the fact that he doesn't just sit back, he tries to get forward and make things happen too. Mignolet is still rubbish, Gomez looks good but shouldn't be first-choice, and certainly not continue to be played out-of-position against Arsenal, feel sorry for Sakho.

Some of these things you can say are a result of incorporating new players and it being early season. Others (Mignolet, Lovren) not so much. Still, I didn't expect 6 points and 2 clean sheets so it's the best start really and at least a point at the Emirates would make for a really good start.

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Ah yes, the dream of every Liverpool fan...to make the club just like Newcastle.

I'd love it if we beat them. Love it.

well your most successful season in 20 odd years was finishing 2nd, playing exciting football, so no parallells there with newcastles season of 2nd place playing exciting football.

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well your most successful season in 20 odd years was finishing 2nd, playing exciting football, so no parallells there with newcastles season of 2nd place playing exciting football.

Our most successful season in 20 odd years would be winning the Champions League in 2005. You know, the best club competition on the planet. Runner up for it in 2007 too.

Add to that:

UEFA Cup winners in 2001.

Super Cup winners 2001 & 2005.

FA Cup Winners in 2001 and 2006.

League Cup Winners in 1995, 2001, 2003 and 2012.

Runner up for the league - twice......

........AND in that time...Newcastle have.... errrrr.....finished runners up twice, been relegated and won nothing (apart from a lower league title).

So, yep...think I'd rather stick to how we do things rather than emulating a club that were decent for 2 seasons 20 years ago.

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yeah i was talking about premier league success, obviously not the CL win or those cups. im not saying emulate newcastles stupidity, god knows im well aware of that as theyre my local rivals. im just saying that your most exciting recent campaign has many parallels with their efforts back then.

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